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Discussion in 'iPhone' started by The new member, Jul 2, 2007.
I think we would need java support before java games.
There is a dedicated hardware for Java support in iPhone. But Apple still not enabled the software part.
Vodaphone/ATT have nothing to do with it. This is Apple's territory- BACK OFF.
Steve Jobs mentioned in a pre-iphone launch interview that he didn't see Java making it into the iPhone. He called it a "dead" platform, and a memory hog.
There is no dedicated Java hardware in the iPhone! You're full of it! Link just ONE source that says there's a dedicated Java chip in there. I DARE you!
I did hear that one of the chips inside the device is optimized to work well with Java. But that's a long cry from a java-dedicated chip.
Again, name just ONE source about Java and the iPhone becoming even CLOSE to a reality, and this thread will gain an ounce of relevance.
The CPU is purportedly based on this chip:
which includes hardware support for Java acceleration. However, this is a common feature (because Java Mobile is a de-facto standard on most phones) but Apple may not intend to use the feature.
Thanks Nall! More than anything, I wanted to lay that to rest. Carry on!
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I beg you pardon? I am "full" of What???
Anyway, Java applications are coming to iPhone. Whatever you think.
For what it's worth, from the context, I think Steve was talking about Java in-browser applets, which most people have abandoned in favor of Flash. Midlets, which are the mobile equivalent, are probably the most common type of phone application out there -- and is what most current Cingular games use.
That being said, I don't think the quote in the OP makes sense, if Apple was intending to enable J2ME games on the iPhone, I would imagine Cingular/AT&T would know about it...
Anyway, at this point I don't expect we'll see any form of Java support, but I'd really like to be surprised.
Yeah, I seriously doubt Apple will implement Java on the iPhone. Games, yes... but more likely using the same system that the iPods used. As Steve said at that interview, Java is clunky and is on its way out. That's why I say you're full of it. No offense, just don't believe it one bit!
theinquirer is not to be trusted a lot
I'm pretty sure he was talking about J2SE (the 'desktop version') not J2ME (the 'cellphone version').
Unlike the desktop version, the mobile version of Java is actually very compact and is widely used.
I'm not claiming that the iPhone will implement either, but your facts are off there.
I understand the difference, I just don't think Apple will implement either.
hmm it seems Steve Jobs says the same thing for Adobe Flash. But there are few cell phones that actually render Adobe Flash Lite flawlessly. No memory hog there. I'm sorry to say but the iPhone is just an iHype. Thats the bottom line.
I'm not saying Adobe Flash/Java won't be there for version2/2nd Generation iPhone but as of now it doesn't have it for the current iPhone. As many people say its just an iPod with a phone.
$600 worth it? HELL NO
I NEVER understood comments like this. Does the GUI/OS not matter to you people!?!?!? If all I was looking at was features:cost... I'd be using a dell right now.
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i KNOW! totally don't need or want java or flash. i hate flash on my COMPUTER, let alone my phone!
It's funny how after all these years, flash has become basically a video embedding plugin. But with h.264, it becomes pretty unnecessary.
That's a pretty ridiculous statement as Apple seems all too happy to drop 64bit Carbon (oh the horror) but is adding all sorts of improvements to Java SE 6 on Leopard (cringe, really, cringe...if 7 is supposed to be for 10.6...sheesh Apple, talk about being really behind in things...).
If I were to demand evidence of Java's suckiness (according to you), just like you've been vehemently insisting that there is no such hardware on the iPhone previously in this thread, I'd probably be laughing my ass off because you wouldn't be able to come up with anything that didn't date back 10 years or that didn't compare differently-compiled languages to each other.
In reality, Java is not some slow piece of **** that nobody uses and everyone hates. There are uses for it - *cough* Apple's WebObjects that runs the online Apple Store, for starters *cough* - it is not necessarily slow or bad, and depending on what you need to do with it, it may be the ideal solution to a problem, like when your company with some specialized app doesn't have the resources to maintain a separate codebase for a small number of users...or, say, Java ME for a game or some useful app that Apple refuses to work on...yeah.
I think you're full of it.
Steve can say all the **** he wants, but he's not a deity and he won't be able to demand that all the developers and vendors out there drop Flash or Java immediately and switch to some other language or technology to do Steve's bidding. And as much as Steve would LOVE it if everyone dropped the ******** like Flash or Java, it's not happening because he needs to wake the **** up and see that the world doesn't give a ****, and people will do what they want to do because their own companies need to profit and stay in business. You, my friend, have been drinking the iPhone koolaid, and if you honestly think the iPhone can survive more than a few years with Apple refusing to budge on the non-webapp 3rd party app issue, including Flash/Java support...wow, that's a lot of koolaid.
And just because YOU don't want Flash or Java on the iPhone doesn't mean that the rest of the world also doesn't. I for one got an iPhone just because it's a phone, but I sure as hell won't be upgrading to a later revision iPhone if Apple doesn't deal with some of the issues..like no Java or Flash support.
I can't agree any more. I love how some idiots think Flash and Java is so yesterday and this new h.264 is going ot replace it all. LOL so many idiots out there. Flash is a way of art and Java is a way of language. People don't get it. Steve Jobs is a fool and that is why Microsoft is still on top. Go figure.
Eventually Flash and Java will be replaced, like most technologies. However, at the moment, they're "in". I'm sure any iPhone user who used Safari can rattle off a long list of sites that use Flash that failed to work..or pretty much anything that doesn't work on the iPhone that's used very commonly otherwise..big one right now being streaming media.
Also, if Steve really is behind some of this idiocy, it wouldn't be the first time he's ruined something because of what he believes in and him letting his belief overrule all. People will bend over backwards, but only to an extent. Go too far, and he'll have a failure of an iPhone, even despite its initial "success".
come on, people, after so many years, you guys still didn't realize Steve Jobs is NOT a technology expert?