SteveC said:
The key is that the police do with hold key pieces of evidence. In this case we can only hope that they have evidence that shows that this guy did this horrible act. And that it is not a rush to judgment.
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Jessica Lunsford, missing Florida 9 year old, dead
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The key is that the police do with hold key pieces of evidence. In this case we can only hope that they have evidence that shows that this guy did this horrible act. And that it is not a rush to judgment.
grimmace said:
I used to say I was for "quarterly beltsandings". every 90 days with a course grit belt sander. about the time your skin almost heals it is time for your next sanding.
Of course I could never really go for that but my anger seems to dredge that out of me. Once again to make this obvious, no hate mail please, I am not advocating it-just saying outloud how angry this type crime makes me and how I pretend to deal with it.
The hard question is what do you do? Death sentence is more expensive and has little determent from this unimaginable crimes.
Lacero said:
The problem is how do we balance the right for us to feel "safe", verses the rights of the accused and judged.
I am afraid that this may take this to the Political Forums, but here I go any ways.
Why is it that we classify certain crimes as so horrible that that we are willing to restrict the rights of the accused and convicted in violent crimes - yet allow those that can empty the savings of retirees are given a "free" ride?
Crime is crime. And all should pay the price without the cries that the crime was not worth the punishment. Martha Stewart is a prime example as is this guy.
stubeeef said:
Sorry, but there are those that might have read differently in your comments. Why-else did the Senate and House act the way they did over this weekend?
stubeeef said:
So right since it seems to be one of mental health. Not that I am one that buys in to the insanity defense offered by some, sine to kill one other person there has to be some insanity there. But I look at this guy in Jessica's case and wonder about his true mental capabilities.
And then I look at a the case of the DC area snipers, and wonder if just because Malvo was under 18, does that exempt him from the actions of an adult?
It was not so long ago in our nations history that young adults were accord the privileges of the "adult". Back then it was the case that the average life expectancy was not as great as it is today. Today, I look at our youth in amazement.
I graduated from HS in 1976, and even back then I could not imagine dealing with the issues that the kids today have to. I went to a HS on the MD-DC border. We had drugs, but we also had a respect of life. It makes my soul weep when I hear children say that it doesn't matter about killing "under age"; since for the most part they will treated as "children" - their records expunged at 18 and no serious time.
I remember that in JHS, and my first year in HS, that I never had carnal thoughts. And by most accounts neither did my HS buddies. Our 'death and destruction" was limited to Joust and Pac Man. Unlike Narc that was released today.
There was a movie long ago, called Hijack. It was banned in Australia. I am not for the banning of thought, but it does cause one to wonder about the positive aspects of restricting certain content from our youth.
gaomay... You think then that those who are mentally ill should be executed regardless of their mental capacity?[/QUOTE said:
grimmace said:
Where does it say, show, or imply anywhere that murders are mentally ill?
Short answer is that it doesn't. No where does it say that criminals who murder are mentally ill. They may do something that we cannot comprehend, but THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY MENTALLY ILL.
Why do we have to label these people mentally ill or in need of help? The only thing they are in need of is punishment for what they did, and there is no punishment in the world that can do what they did. They brutally murdered a child and that child's children, grandchildren, and everyone who came forth.
They don't want to commit suicide like that. If they want to end the suffering, grab a gun and blow your head clean off. Jump off a bridge. Do something that doesn't involve killing millions of people and then sit and rot for years-- up to 20 or 30 years-- in a dirty and dingy cell with other prisoners trying to kill you for what you did because you want to kill yourself.
"I want to end my suffering, so I'll kill someone, get tossed in jail, wait 30 years, have everyone hate me, and then die either in jail and have my body be thrown into a grave inscribed 'Child Killer' or have my body be injected with chemicals, and then tossed into that same grave."
I doubt that was his thought.
In Samantha Runion's trial that started this week. It was revield that some of the DNA that was collected was her tears in the perps car.
Her tears. That kills me. The horror that child felt.
I am to sad to even talk about it any more.
Her tears. That kills me. The horror that child felt.
I am to sad to even talk about it any more.
Samantha's playmate that was 3 or 4 when the abduction happened in front of her had to testify yesterday. Holding a teddy bear, she told how Samantha fought the man that took her. How she screamed, kicked, and fought. To bad she was 5 and weighed about 40 lbs to his 240.
To bad some of the ******* neighbors that SAW it happen did not get involved. How could you see someone grabing a child and the child screaming for help, and do nothing. If anything follow them, and call 911. Let the police sort it out.
Truthfully, if in that situation, I would have to get involved.
"Excuse me, is this your daughter" "Sweetheart is that your daddy?" No. Ass whippin to the 10th degree would unfold.
To bad some of the ******* neighbors that SAW it happen did not get involved. How could you see someone grabing a child and the child screaming for help, and do nothing. If anything follow them, and call 911. Let the police sort it out.
Truthfully, if in that situation, I would have to get involved.
"Excuse me, is this your daughter" "Sweetheart is that your daddy?" No. Ass whippin to the 10th degree would unfold.
Backtothemac said:
That's pretty awful. My job forces me to be patient with very dangerous people but I doubt I'd be able to control myself in that situation.
If it was just one person watching, I could see how they might be scared and not go out (but at least ring the police or bigger/stronger neighbours?). But more than one person? They probably wouldn't even have to confront him, he'd run at the sight of them. Imagine being one of those neighbours and looking the parents in the eye...that's gotta be worse than the possibility of injury.
Then again, some people are more confident, some are trained (me) and some are arrogant (me) so would run in on their own regardless. Plus good old A2 Psychology taught me that once one person goes to help others will follow.
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Thinking about it more...yeah I'd probably put him on the ground and really hurt him. I'd have to hope the police turned a blind eye and let me go on "self-defense".
AppleMatt
AppleMatt, she was taken in broad daylight in the late afternoon. There were many people on the street who saw it and did nothing.
Like you I have the training to deal with someone like that, so I would, 100% put him on the ground.
Like you I have the training to deal with someone like that, so I would, 100% put him on the ground.
I'm not trained, but I'm 6'2" and 235 lb. I'm reasonably strong. I might hesitate if just adults were involved, simply out of self defense. I'm not proud about that, but it might take me a while to decide to commit. A small child, though... no thought necessary. Nothing that could happen to me would be worse than knowing I did nothing. I have a 4 1/2 year old daughter. I would do what I would hope anyone would do for my child.Backtothemac said:
I've been around kids. I know tantrums when I see them. I cannot believe for an instant that the spectators who did nothing thought that it was all OK, that she was just upset for no reason. They had to know. Cowards.
jsw said:
I agree with you. I am 6'4 1/2 255 lbs, so I know what you mean. I have military training, hand to hand combat training, and was a bouncer in the French Quarter for over two years. I just don't get how people could stand by and do nothing. THat poor child breaks my heart so badly that when I think of her, I have trouble breathing.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151486,00.html
God damnit it has happened again. A previous convicted sex offender. WTF. WHy, senseless, totally unnecessary!
Kill these bastards before they kill our kids!
God damnit it has happened again. A previous convicted sex offender. WTF. WHy, senseless, totally unnecessary!
Kill these bastards before they kill our kids!
wdlove said:
Personally, that would be fine for me. I would accespt life with no parole for molestation so that these monsters cannot pray on our kids.
They found a body, presumably that of the 10-year-old Iowa girl (link). Terrible.
Anyone ever hear of a convicted sex offender who went on to do anything good? Seems like these murderers are often men with previous convictions. Tattoo their foreheads with "Sexual Predator" or "Child Molester" after the first conviction of anything lewd if you're going to ever let them out again. Not that I think you should let them out. The only concern I have is one of convicting innocent people. However, if there were a foolproof way of determining guilt (there usually isn't), I say lock them up and throw away the key on the first offense.
Anyone ever hear of a convicted sex offender who went on to do anything good? Seems like these murderers are often men with previous convictions. Tattoo their foreheads with "Sexual Predator" or "Child Molester" after the first conviction of anything lewd if you're going to ever let them out again. Not that I think you should let them out. The only concern I have is one of convicting innocent people. However, if there were a foolproof way of determining guilt (there usually isn't), I say lock them up and throw away the key on the first offense.
I doubt that would be a deterrent. These... vile creatures wouldn't be affected by it.Lacero said:
Seldom, though, do they kill the first time. Usually, there's a prior conviction. Forget what I said about a tattoo above. Castrate them on the first conviction.
If I had my own country, my rules would be all first time sex offenders get a public castration. They would be branded "SEX OFFENDER" across their forehead with a hot iron on their second offense. If they commit a third offense, they die by quartering.
Now, if the sex offense is such the serious matter of death, the person receives a public lashing, locked in solitary confinement of an area which the person cannot stand up or sitdown, and allowed to die from his lashings or by starvation. Such punishment will be made available to the general public by way of a TV show and a webcam, so the public is made aware of the consequences of such dastardly acts.
Now, if the sex offense is such the serious matter of death, the person receives a public lashing, locked in solitary confinement of an area which the person cannot stand up or sitdown, and allowed to die from his lashings or by starvation. Such punishment will be made available to the general public by way of a TV show and a webcam, so the public is made aware of the consequences of such dastardly acts.