Jobs and Lasseter - Most Influential in Hollywood

[LethalWolfe]

I think that is the point.
Animation? Is Toy Story going to be that important in the years to come? A very small percentage of films will ever use the Renderman technology/software. Granted, it's a great piece of software, but most movies will never, ever have a need for it!

Pixar is a great company, but it's not influencing that much IMHO.

Isn't influence about how well you're known? I'm telling you, some person with the name "agreenster" has no influence on me when compared to guys like Jobs and Spielberg. I know who they are, whereas I know nothing of you. Influence is defined as:

In the past few years how many blockbuster animation movies have their been? How many blockbuster 3D animation movies? How many of those movies were made by Pixar? Pixar has dethroned Disney as the king of animated movies. They are most certainly going to have a very recognsible place in Hollywood history. And "Hollywood" isn't just movies, it's TV as well. And Apple, especially in the past year, is really shaking things up in the post production word of TV and film. I mean, seriously. Apple and FCP are doing to Avid what Pixar did to Disney. Apple and FCP are changing the way movies and TV are being made. Everything from no budget shorts to big budget features to prime time TV. At the past couple of NAB's most of the buzz has been about Apple and FCP. That's freaking huge.

And so what if the average Joe recognizes Spielberg's name but not Jobs'. Name recognition outside of the Industry doesn't mean anything. It's recognition inside the Industry that count. I guarentee you 95% of the movers and shakers in Hollywood no one outside of the Industry has ever heard of.

I'm not trying to discount Spielberg in anyway, but I think you are having a limited perspective as to how people can be influential. Yeah, After Saving Private Ryan many movies copied the "look" of that film, but, besides Spielberg, I can't think of any director that doesn't want their movie edited digitally.


Lethal

 

[thatwendigo]

If Steve can meet stated goals this year he might very well be up for "Time's man of the Year." That would be G5 3.0+, G5 iMac, G5 PB, & 10.4!

I've mostly stayed out of this thread, because there isn't much I would say that wasn't said by others. However...

Would you point me to where Jobs has stated that G5 iMacs, G5 PowerBooks, and the actual release of 10.4 were promised for this year? The only thing you listed that I've ever seen come out of Jobs' mouth is the statement that the G5 would be at 3.0ghz during summer of 2004.

Isn't influence about how well you're known? I'm telling you, some person with the name "agreenster" has no influence on me when compared to guys like Jobs and Spielberg. I know who they are, whereas I know nothing of you. Influence is defined as:

No, influece is based on how much you change things. Ives and Jobs are two of the most influential forces in the industry, regardless of whether the average PC user could tell you who they are. Name recognition and influence are different things.

Don't believe me?

Who runs Ford? How about Chevy? IBM? Sony? SE Johnson? Krupp? Glaxo-Welcomb? Pfizer? BP-Amoco? UNOCAL? Boeing? Can't name them? Funny, because all of them are influencing the world you live in, and yet you can't just spout their names right off the tip of your tongue.

Name a male actor. Name a female actor. Now name a congressman that's not from your state. Get the point? Being famous and being powerful do not always go together, especially not down at the consumer level, where people don't deal with real power on a daily basis.

 

[wdlove]

I've mostly stayed out of this thread, because there isn't much I would say that wasn't said by others. However...

Would you point me to where Jobs has stated that G5 iMacs, G5 PowerBooks, and the actual release of 10.4 were promised for this year? The only thing you listed that I've ever seen come out of Jobs' mouth is the statement that the G5 would be at 3.0ghz during summer of 2004.

I realize that the mention of a G5 iMac, G5 PowerBook, Or 10.4 didn't directly come from Steve Jobs mouth. I'm just saying that if these were accomplished, he certainly was be raised up in stature. Steve would get enough notice to be recignized by Time.

 

[thatwendigo]

I realize that the mention of a G5 iMac, G5 PowerBook, Or 10.4 didn't directly come from Steve Jobs mouth. I'm just saying that if these were accomplished, he certainly was be raised up in stature. Steve would get enough notice to be recignized by Time.

Raised up? Jobs is the man who brought Apple back from the verge of death, oversaw the creation of OS X, aided in the creation of the G5, and otherwise improved the company to no end since 1997. I think that few people give the guy enough credit for what he's done to and for the platform.

Who cares if Time notices him? His own users don't even grant him enough recognition.

 

[jeffbistrong]

most influential in hollywood?

They are definately the most influential people in the world. Even with the rise of Apple as a leader in the distribution of online music and the existance of the sexy IPODS, I think Gates, would have to be tied with them at #1. The existance of OSX proves how smart Gates is. He has the rest of the world under his control with the existance of the [crappy] Windows OS. No doubt OS X is better, but he has every one fooled. Most the home computers in the world use Windows. Many people are now moving to Mac, but Gates has the rest of the computing industry in his control with the existance of windows.

 

[msandersen]

Mel Gibson as head of Disney?? that's scary! Can you imagine the remake of Bambi? Oh, the horror! The blood spatters on the virgin white snow! Put that machine gun down, Bambi! no! No! Noooo...>Splat<
Maybe they'll crucify Bambi this time?

He may have grown up in Australia, but I generally have no respect for right-wingers.

 

[msandersen]

This whole thread is farcical, arguing over wether or not Jobs/Lassiter is more influential that Spielberg. It's just a stupid magazine article. We all love to see Apple or Jobs get some sort of mention or recognition. Well, most of us. So wether or not the iTunes music store is the biggest invention of the decade, or whatever, it's just copy filler.
Now, if the question was: Who's the most influential in animation, few people would argue. Eisner is still up there, but at the moment Disney has problems. They are the masters of marketing spin, though. They get all the Pixar merchandise out there, which further drives the movie/DVD sales. Kids want the Nemo yogurt, even if they normally don't get yogurt, over any other brand. So far, everything Pixar has touched has turned to gold - marketing gold. Lassiter is the king of CG animation. The only other contender are the people behind Shrek. They are aimed at slightly different audiences, so adults particularly appreciate the slightly more risque or naughty humor in Shrek. But they haven't done much yet. That I know of. Once they get a few hits under their belts, they will be in the same position as Pixar, more or less. Pixar has more hsitory behind them, right back to George Lucas, who sold his animation division to Jobs in the first place. Best damn investment Steve ever made. Some would say the investment in computer parts to build the Apple I, or setting up the production of the Apple II, but it's been a long hard slug from there, and is a bit dicey at the moment. Pixar has had a huge influence over Disney, they were the ones who had devised the automated machinery to scan film, combine with CG imagery, and print film, actually before they became pixar. They brought Disney from the age of the 2-year hugely expensive Sleeping-Beauty productions to fully digitised process, allowing the much quicker turnover of movies at a fraction of the cost it used to be. Fantasia nearly sent Disney broke. It's risky business. Less so now. So, that's certainly a lot of power and influence. Renderman has been previously mentioned.
But the most influential in Hollywood (this year)? Sounds strange, but I'm not privy to the backroom deals. Right now, since Pixar has broken up with Disney, they're shopping for other distributors. they have their pick, and they are all falling over themselves to be chosen. That's power and influence. They can dictate terms with whomever they choose. But there are still 2 more movies left in the Disney contract, so it'll be a little while before the post-Disney era for pixar. I expect their style won't change though, they like the kiddie level it's at. Would be interesting to see their take on a Shrek-like movie, though.

 

[wdlove]

Raised up? Jobs is the man who brought Apple back from the verge of death, oversaw the creation of OS X, aided in the creation of the G5, and otherwise improved the company to no end since 1997. I think that few people give the guy enough credit for what he's done to and for the platform.

Who cares if Time notices him? His own users don't even grant him enough recognition.

I don't care really, it would just give him more notice in the world. If you notice my signature, I recognize and admire Steve Jobs!

 

[leftbanke7]

6 degrees of seperation:

John Lasseter is my mother's boss's cousin.

 

[Mac Dummy]

Premiere magazine named Steve Jobs and John Lasseter the most influential people in Hollywood.

Jobs/Lasseter displace Steven Spielberg at the top of the list this year. Spielberg has moved down to #2.

The two get this credit for their roles at Pixar. Steve Jobs is CEO of both Pixar and Apple.

Well its about time!