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Jobs on Motorola iTunes, Video iPod, Bluetooth, And More
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From Steve, "...No one has been successful with that yet." is a challenge, with the key word being "yet".
swingerofbirch said:
The original "intention" of iTunes and the iPod was to rip your own CDs that you already owned, make your own collections and playlists, burn the cds and/or carry them in your iPod. The Music Store came afterwards supposedly to find a balance between labels' expensive prices and p2p sharing/pirating. So far it has been the most successful internet music store which was probably more than they expected. Also remember the first iPods were of much less capacity and have always functioned as external storage devices. I think buying a Shuffle is better than buying a USB flash drive.
About the piracy, all I can say is that I personally think that any type of sharing should not be considered illegal, but making a profit from something that is not your is, and should be punished by law.
so tired of people saying this:
UGH! i promise you, NOBODY at apple ever thought that you'd fill your 60 gig iPod (or even a 512mb Shuffle) with music purchased from the iTunes music store. if i remember correctly, iTunes *also* lets you rip music from your OWN CDs, too. unless you've never purchased a CD in your life, this should be pretty obvious. iTunes and the iPod have been around for longer than the music store, ya know.
swingerofbirch said:
UGH! i promise you, NOBODY at apple ever thought that you'd fill your 60 gig iPod (or even a 512mb Shuffle) with music purchased from the iTunes music store. if i remember correctly, iTunes *also* lets you rip music from your OWN CDs, too. unless you've never purchased a CD in your life, this should be pretty obvious. iTunes and the iPod have been around for longer than the music store, ya know.
I've seen comments similar to this many times before as well. I can't understand it at all. iTunes was out for over two years before iTMS even launched. Why people believe that if you use iTunes to manage/play your music you must purchase all of your music via iTMS is beyond me.niemau said:
I have about 4500 songs that include rips of all my ~175 CDs, many CDs of friends and family that I've ripped over the years, probably 200 songs that I've purchased via iTMS and maybe two dozen that I've downloaded via P2P. It's a mix - but the lion's share of my music was imported from CDs.
ccuilla said:
Sounds to me like we could see something that's not a *dedicated* video player but just happens to play them as a bonus.
So as somebody else on MR predicted... something that's maybe a bit longer than a current iPod but thinner with a smaller click wheel and a bigger screen is possible. It would just be a new rev of iPod with video capability.
Why video iPods are pointless, most people are always near a TV or a computer...not to mention in-car DVD players and portable DVD players....and if you need video on screen that small (which people don't....they just want MORE) then get a freaking MP4 player....far better than any iPod at video....the end. 
Okay, here's the way it is
Somebody said to me they want video for when they're standing in line, like at an airport. Give me a book. I don't want to watch an iddy-biddy picture with earphones on. CNN news on a cell phone? Maybe.
Jobs is right. TV and computers are not converging. Let the stupid people have their TVs, it ornaments their trailer park minds. Computers will take TV over. If there's a show you want, enter it into Google. Download it. Change it to whatever format. Watch it when you have time. If I do that, the networks are dead, and I'm watching computer. Napster for video.
Somebody said to me they want video for when they're standing in line, like at an airport. Give me a book. I don't want to watch an iddy-biddy picture with earphones on. CNN news on a cell phone? Maybe.
Jobs is right. TV and computers are not converging. Let the stupid people have their TVs, it ornaments their trailer park minds. Computers will take TV over. If there's a show you want, enter it into Google. Download it. Change it to whatever format. Watch it when you have time. If I do that, the networks are dead, and I'm watching computer. Napster for video.
my thoughts.
Highlights include:
- iTunes software for the Motorola phone was a learning experience...
I thought this was the case when the ROKR wasn't in a RAZR format. it was probably the same for moto. when E2 comes out, it may be a whole different beast. ( see last reply)
it's going to be an even bigger learning experience when cingular drops the price on the phone. Apple's never done that to sell units but cingular will. Will it cannabalize shuffle sales? probably. I was thinking about getting a shuffle after my 2nd gen broke, but I think I'm going to wait until the ROKR drops and re up with cingular.
- Jobs discussed video on handheld devices - such as a Video iPod....
I think the problem with the medium is that people can't use their video ipods while commuting, at least not while driving. so something else should be added, like gaming.
And if the news media gets to a point where they release their segments in smaller chunks to make podcasting more appealing, then you're confronted with the competition with newspapers in that market. Videocasting will probably happen first on a PSP, if ever. At that point I think I'd rather just read web news. (see next comment)
- Jobs still insists that the convergence between TV and Computers is not going to happen.
i think he's wrong here. Tivo is a pretty good convergence. Only the economies of getting a tivo portable is a little ways off. The PSP is only halfway there. it really needs a pretty big hard drive and a dock to a tv to make any sense to people.
- Regarding new features (such as radio), "We are very careful about what features we add because we can't take them away."
i just want to listen to music. If I need the other features, I'll buy the upgrades. it turns out I only want the other functions, since I've been able to do without. a radio transmitter is a nice idea, but the quality isn't there.
- Feels that Bluetooth isn't a good option. Sound isn't good. Recharging headphones is a pain.
bluetooth isn't a good option now, but with the nano the shuffle should be downsizing soon, and perhaps be used both stand alone or inserted into third party products to be wireless, like headphones, phone, car stereo. it would need at least a one line display too.
Highlights include:
- iTunes software for the Motorola phone was a learning experience...
I thought this was the case when the ROKR wasn't in a RAZR format. it was probably the same for moto. when E2 comes out, it may be a whole different beast. ( see last reply)
it's going to be an even bigger learning experience when cingular drops the price on the phone. Apple's never done that to sell units but cingular will. Will it cannabalize shuffle sales? probably. I was thinking about getting a shuffle after my 2nd gen broke, but I think I'm going to wait until the ROKR drops and re up with cingular.
- Jobs discussed video on handheld devices - such as a Video iPod....
I think the problem with the medium is that people can't use their video ipods while commuting, at least not while driving. so something else should be added, like gaming.
And if the news media gets to a point where they release their segments in smaller chunks to make podcasting more appealing, then you're confronted with the competition with newspapers in that market. Videocasting will probably happen first on a PSP, if ever. At that point I think I'd rather just read web news. (see next comment)
- Jobs still insists that the convergence between TV and Computers is not going to happen.
i think he's wrong here. Tivo is a pretty good convergence. Only the economies of getting a tivo portable is a little ways off. The PSP is only halfway there. it really needs a pretty big hard drive and a dock to a tv to make any sense to people.
- Regarding new features (such as radio), "We are very careful about what features we add because we can't take them away."
i just want to listen to music. If I need the other features, I'll buy the upgrades. it turns out I only want the other functions, since I've been able to do without. a radio transmitter is a nice idea, but the quality isn't there.
- Feels that Bluetooth isn't a good option. Sound isn't good. Recharging headphones is a pain.
bluetooth isn't a good option now, but with the nano the shuffle should be downsizing soon, and perhaps be used both stand alone or inserted into third party products to be wireless, like headphones, phone, car stereo. it would need at least a one line display too.
Steve is just blowing smoke up our arses.......
he's not agreeing to anything with Vista on the
horizon so that Billy can steal yet another idea.
ALL of the above are probably in APPLE R&D,
Stevie is just tweaking or dumping whichever
product that makes the most sense.
he's not agreeing to anything with Vista on the
horizon so that Billy can steal yet another idea.
ALL of the above are probably in APPLE R&D,
Stevie is just tweaking or dumping whichever
product that makes the most sense.
illegalprelude said:
Umm no not really. First and foremost the PLAYSTATION Portable is a gaming console. Video, Audio, photos, and net are just gravy.
I don't think Apple is worried about the sales they may lose to people who want FM. Even when I had it on tape players, cd players, and my original pre-iPod flash player, I never used it. If you do need it, buy an FMXtra . Quality is about the same. I did wish the mini would have allowed voice recording, and the nano doesn't have it either. I don't mind the add-on, but it's not supported, and I don't want to mess with Linux on iPod. Any one know if the ROKR records voice notes?
1984 said:
Quite honestly I couldn't give less of a crap about a 2" video screen. Its too small to pick out ANY details. A 4" widescreen is a different matter. My iPaq 4700 with its VGA screen rocks for TV show watching and when I'm on a trip or flight movie watching. you would be surprised at what 2" does for the viewing experience and please guys. Unless you've actually done it please don't tell me OMG OMG that would suck. Honestly....it doesn't.
ScubaDuc said:
It is amazing. I only lack the Bose speakers, I have Sony. I prefer the EyeTV b/c it does all the work itself and doesn't bog down the mini. My mini also has the SuperDrive in case I do want to burn the movies for later. I use a free shareware program called Matinee (MacUpdate.com) that is awesome for sorting my Video_TS files.
aswitcher said:We WILL be putting digital SD/HD tuners in future iMacs - we always strongly deny what we do in 6-12 months time so the opposition dont get a jump on us. iLife06 will have a new app just for this using the new H264 codec. DRM is the only hurdle.
Is anyone else not overly impressed with the idea of watching content on your computer? I've got a 24" Dell widescreen for my computer.....I also have a 46" Toshiba HDTV widescreen. guess which I would rather be playing video back on?
I think Apple is going to fail big time if they don't release a media center computer at some point. Or at the very least something that can easily stream content from your computer to your entertainment system. There is a reason why Microsoft got into the console business and it sure as heck wasn't to make games. They and Sony see the media center PC as a VERY viable option. Jobs is simply applying what he thinks best to his company. So far he's been right with the iPod but frankly music playback is pretty much of a no brainer. You make a easy to use device and a well integrated service to go with it and it was a foregone conclusion that it would take off.
I personally think there are a number of emerging markets that will be taking off in a big way in the next two years that Apple is dismissing without really considering it. Or possibly considering it but not admitting it. Why would Apple intentionally spill the beans on a video store or HTPC? They dont gain anything from that. So who knows.
In the mean time I'm trying to decide if I'm going to wait around for the next generation of Mac Mini or build a HTPC to go with my 46" Toshiba HDTV.
I would like to say that when Apple says something isn't going to happen (i.e. TV and PC convergence) what they REALLY mean is it isn't going to happen until Apple makes it happen
A question that begs an answer
But you have to admit there is a need to sync the video content that iTunes is now managing. Where should it go? what to do with it...
The question of a video syncing device/portal begs an answer.
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But you have to admit there is a need to sync the video content that iTunes is now managing. Where should it go? what to do with it...
The question of a video syncing device/portal begs an answer.
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raggedjimmi said:I think blending together Computers and TV's is a bad idea (bleh, Windows Media Centre) but a streaming ability is good. i do likes that.
no video Pods
bluetooth headphones; good idea but no. unless battery life is increased somewhat.
SiliconAddict said:
Not sure about now but Casio used to sell TVs with screens not much different in size to an iPod. They were hardly an ideal way to watch TV but you could make do with one if you were desperate.
I wouldn't relish watching a feature film on a small screen and I probably wouldn't use video functionality on an ipod (other than as a gimmick) but there are a lot of people that would.
If they can make an iPod with a slightly larger screen that would do everything the current iPod did (same battery life too!) but just happened to play videos if needed, I don't see the harm in that.
Then if it proves popular, maybe in 12 months we might see a true video iPod.
I don´t know about the US, but here in Norway FM radio is very good. Not too much commercials, and we also have very good state owned Stations that are ad free.
So I really would like to see radio in the ipod, video? No thanks.
I use the radio on my Ericsson K750i all the time, it´s come to a point where I leave my ipod at home on shorter trips, as I have radio on my phone anyway.
So I really would like to see radio in the ipod, video? No thanks.
I use the radio on my Ericsson K750i all the time, it´s come to a point where I leave my ipod at home on shorter trips, as I have radio on my phone anyway.