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I can understand tech companies wanting to make the switch to digital.

Less production/use of raw materials also equals less cost and a reduced carbon footprint.

More demand on digital platforms also forces innovation into those technologies.

I can think back to about ten years ago when I bought all my games on discs, films on DVD and I bought all my music on CD, this took a train ride into town and a significant part of my afternoon. I also think this was about the time Apple were really pushing films and TV episodes on the iTunes store. I never thought I could go all digital, I wanted my stuff.

Now however, all of my devices are linked to my Spotify account for music, and they're all also attached to my Netflix and Amazon Prime accounts for films/TV. To play all my games I simply use Steam.

Having said that, I bought the film Passengers earlier and Sky have also sent me a DVD. A nice touch, but I'd rather they didn't waste it on me.

To me physical media is dead, long live the cloud.

Tech companies don't want to eliminate physical goods to save the environment. They want to be in the data distribution business because it's a source of recurring revenue. They need something to offset the drop in computer sales, and being a distribution channel (a la Verizon, DirecTV, etc) is the digital version of giving away razors to sell razor-blades (or Jell-o recipe books to sell Jell-o). Distribution of physical goods is expensive, and the channels are controlled by large players. The cost to transfer bits over the Internet is the same no matter how far it goes, and the cost to store data only goes down over time, no matter how frequently it's accessed.

In its original incarnation, the iTunes Music Store only sold tracks instead of streaming them. Steve Jobs was insistent, "People want to own their music." Of course, now that sales of mobile devices is dropping, Apple needs to convince Wall Street its stock is undervalued. It hopes to double its revenue on services, so it's more than happy to collect money from folks like you in exchange for bits. The margins on repackaged electrons is high indeed.
 
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As an outside observer to this topic, methinks the media companies/studios are wanting physical media to disappear. They're seeking a model where they get reimbursed for every play.

I'm not saying that's ever going to happen specifically. Just a long scan of the horizon.

It's already happened and it'll spread into everything, everywhere possible.

This is the inconvenient truth of it all. Why allow anyone to buy anything outright, when you can charge them many times via a subscription/rental scheme?

Speaking this truth may cause some mild hysteria among those still in denial, so... prepare.
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I back up everything that I can. While I still can...

MDISC Blu-Ray.
 
It's already happened and it'll spread into everything, everywhere possible.

This is the inconvenient truth of it all. Why allow anyone to buy anything outright, when you can charge them many times via a subscription/rental scheme?

Speaking this truth may cause some mild hysteria among those still in denial, so... prepare.

And why get paid for actually making a physical product and have to pay middlemen and other 'less fortunate' that have to print the boxes, make the DVD's, print the other stuff, insert it all into a box, shrink wrap the box, stack them, box them, ship them, un-box them, display them, sell them, when you can charge the same amount for the same 'product', and keep all that 'overhead cash' for yourself. (That's my HUGE beef with the pricing in the iBooks Store. There is NO WAY that charging full retail pricing for an ebook is justifiable. None)

Want to know why retail is suffering? Same thing is happening there too.

Case in point: I ordered a bike jersey that was 'in stock'. It was shipped from a Chinese manufacturer. Apparently 'in stock' now means that the Chinese economic slaves can churn it out ON DEMAND, so it's 'in stock', yet still 'made to order'.

That's a pretty astounding misuse of the idea of 'in stock', and a pernicious lie about 'The Death Of American Retail (tm)'. Consumers didn't kill it. Producers did. For profit.
 
What will be hilarious is when everyone is firmly latched onto the teat of the cloud, the 4k starts to stream, and we realize that the infrastructure to support this "demand" isn't there. And the ISP prices skyrocket, and the crisis-creation from the end of net-neutrality causes more price hikes, throttling, and data caps even on DSL/Fiber optic.
 
What will be hilarious is when everyone is firmly latched onto the teat of the cloud, the 4k starts to stream, and we realize that the infrastructure to support this "demand" isn't there. And the ISP prices skyrocket, and the crisis-creation from the end of net-neutrality causes more price hikes, throttling, and data caps even on DSL/Fiber optic.

The 'New Internet' promises to be the over flogged source of corporate profit that the designers and engineers sincerely hoped it would never ever become close to be.

And thank politicians for doing that.

Bill Moyers had a show on PBS that exposed political issues that were ridiculous, and one episode confronted the reason we don't have fiber to our homes like other 'civilized nations' do. Well, we SHOULD, seeming as how we already paid for it!

The big telecom corporations at the time went begging to congress for money to build out the 'Next Internet', and bring high speed internet to 'all Americans'. They got a HUGE amount of cash. HUGE! Well a few years later, they had to tell congress what happened to that cash and the project to bring 'internet to the rest of us'. Well, they reportedly actually said that 'their reach exceeded their grasp', and then asked to be able to keep the money without delivering on their promises. Well, the congress said 'Okay'. Time and time again, taxpayer money has been given to corporate America for projects that never got done, and the money was never returned.

It's no wonder that the Pentagon can't account for TRILLIONS of dollars. TRILLIONS. That's millions of millions!

And the end of net neutrality is just the latest bit of political savagery to insure they get tithed money back from those corporations.

America, land of runaway capitalism. Everything has a price, and nothing has any value... America will fall flat on its face in a matter of months I fear. And then, like all hostile takeovers, be sliced into pieces and sold to the lowest bidders.
 
Data needs to be in the cloud in 2017.

While I agree optical disks and building readers/burners into portable machines is impractical, so is expecting people to pay to store and stream thousands of gigs of data to watch everything they want to see.

The cloud is way too fickle, limited, and costly yet to act as the default storage medium. HDD's aren't a perfect solution, but considering both their reliability, huge storage capacity, and low cost, they're a much more practical option than any of the alternatives.
 
While I agree optical disks and building readers/burners into portable machines is impractical, so is expecting people to pay to store and stream thousands of gigs of data to watch everything they want to see.

The cloud is way too fickle, limited, and costly yet to act as the default storage medium. HDD's aren't a perfect solution, but considering both their reliability, huge storage capacity, and low cost, they're a much more practical option than any of the alternatives.

I agree! And considering that the internet is about to become another 'profit center' for soulless corporate vampires, there is no way that you can insure that you will have access to 'the cloud' (or even the internets) at a level and consistency that will make it usable!

Capitalism eventually destroys everything, or it sure seems to. It wasn't an election as much as a hostile takeover. What's good for corporate America is rarely good for the country. But I rant to the wind. Enjoy the race to the bottom. There is nothing we can do to stop it now.
 
Apple decided not to support the optical disc. They said it was on the way out therefore, they abandoned it. What seems to be more the case is they dumped it for two reasons - get people to buy/rent via download/stream for Apple's iTune Store and in the quest for make everything THIN (optical discs just got in the way of this form over function design).

So how is it that we are starting to see yet more hardware and software being developed to further the use of the optical disc? I only hope that some of the hardware and software make its way to the Mac side in spite of Apple.

https://hdguru.com/pioneer-cyberlink-reveal-ultra-hd-blu-ray-pc-reader-bundle/
Ok. I have that Pioneer UHD drive.
I have a Kaby Lake 7700K
I have a 200 series motherboard.
I have a GTX1080TI.
I have a 4K monitor, 2 TV's
everything on the list to be able to play UHD movies.

But it won't.
Bag of Hurt is right. As well as a pain in the D.

and I can't watch Planet Earth II in 4KUHD without buying some UHD player from BestBuy that I don't even want.
 
While I agree optical disks and building readers/burners into portable machines is impractical, so is expecting people to pay to store and stream thousands of gigs of data to watch everything they want to see.

The cloud is way too fickle, limited, and costly yet to act as the default storage medium. HDD's aren't a perfect solution, but considering both their reliability, huge storage capacity, and low cost, they're a much more practical option than any of the alternatives.

-And generally, cloud storage is unencrypted... I think iCloud is still unencrypted storage. If it had changed, it would be big news on MacRumors.
 
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It's only a matter of time until people are shoveling piles of blu ray discs into the dumpster, just like they did with VHS tapes. But I do understand how difficult this is to accept for those who have invested thousands of dollars in a blu ray library. Denial is one of the most challenging mindsets to overcome, though the effort is well worth it in the end.

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I agree! And considering that the internet is about to become another 'profit center' for soulless corporate vampires, there is no way that you can insure that you will have access to 'the cloud' (or even the internets) at a level and consistency that will make it usable!

Capitalism eventually destroys everything, or it sure seems to. It wasn't an election as much as a hostile takeover. What's good for corporate America is rarely good for the country. But I rant to the wind. Enjoy the race to the bottom. There is nothing we can do to stop it now.

I think you misunderstand the term “Capitalism” and might find this article of interest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richar...dly-not-corporatism-or-cronyism/#52f4030165e5

In fact, capitalism is the system of rights, liberty, civility, peace and non-sacrificial prosperity; it’s not the system of government that unjustly favors capitalists at others’ expense.

Yes, there’s an alternative system that does entail the government unjustly ruling business and government, in turn, improperly controlled by business for business’s exclusive benefit (whether by subsidies, special favors, monopolies and franchises, tax breaks, or bailouts), even as it nominally still permits private property holdings: it’s called “corporatism” (sometimes, synonymously, “cronyism” or “fascism”).​

The whole article is worth a careful read because I think it’s important that we as a people are clear on what exactly we are angry about or disapproving of before we use our democratic vote to effect change to something “better”. Because the risk is that we end up with something much worse instead.

Not trying to stir anything up here by the way, just sharing something I myself learned only a few years ago. Hopefully you’ll find it as interesting as I did.
 
I think you misunderstand the term “Capitalism” and might find this article of interest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richar...dly-not-corporatism-or-cronyism/#52f4030165e5

In fact, capitalism is the system of rights, liberty, civility, peace and non-sacrificial prosperity; it’s not the system of government that unjustly favors capitalists at others’ expense.

Yes, there’s an alternative system that does entail the government unjustly ruling business and government, in turn, improperly controlled by business for business’s exclusive benefit (whether by subsidies, special favors, monopolies and franchises, tax breaks, or bailouts), even as it nominally still permits private property holdings: it’s called “corporatism” (sometimes, synonymously, “cronyism” or “fascism”).​

The whole article is worth a careful read because I think it’s important that we as a people are clear on what exactly we are angry about or disapproving of before we use our democratic vote to effect change to something “better”. Because the risk is that we end up with something much worse instead.

Not trying to stir anything up here by the way, just sharing something I myself learned only a few years ago. Hopefully you’ll find it as interesting as I did.

I meant the 'modern' definition, working definition if you will...

Capitalism teaches that there is a cost for everything, and as a result nothing has any value. No one values democracy now because they are being told that there is something 'better' if they give up what they have by people that lie the way others breath.

It's a very scary and dehumanizing time for human history as this trading the cow for a handful of lies is happening in most of the larger countries. Tragic...
 
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Has always been encrypted and would be a huge story if it wasn't.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

It is accessible by Apple though since they have the keys. So they can give out your data if police turns up with court order.

I have no problem with the front door as long as there is a subpoena. I don't have a problem with the FISA court as long as it isn't abused.

Mail is encrypted in transit, but it is not encrypted on the server: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

From that page" "All traffic between your devices and iCloud Mail is encrypted with TLS 1.2. Consistent with standard industry practice, iCloud does not encrypt data stored on IMAP mail servers. All Apple email clients support optional S/MIME encryption."
 
I meant the 'modern' definition, working definition if you will...

Capitalism teaches that there is a cost for everything, and as a result nothing has any value. No one values democracy now because they are being told that there is something 'better' if they give up what they have by people that lie the way others breath.

It's a very scary and dehumanizing time for human history as this trading the cow for a handful of lies is happening in most of the larger countries. Tragic...

As he pointed out, that isn't capitalism. Calling our economic system truly capitalist is like calling our political system a democracy when it's clearly a republic. Politicians have subordinated the public good to corporate interests. Using the other terms, "corporatism", "cronyism", or "fascism" is a good way to wake people up to how businesses have substituted brass for our gold.

Then perhaps they'll stop being easily mislead into following the cults of personalities, and vote based on the issues.
 
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Yep! Issues that matter –but are not social-media-buzzworthy– include inconvenient, unexciting overhauls to the infrastructures of powergrids, internet capacity, and freeway capacities. And general overpopulation.
 
I prefer Blu-Ray, because I like having the hard copy. Also, with a glue gun and some patience, you could literally construct a coffin out of your favourite movies. Kinda green, if you don't go for cremation.

Having said that, I'd like Blu-rays more if I didn't have to wait half an hour for warnings, trailers, production logos (really guys, nobody cares but you), and whatnot to load every time I watch the damn things.

On that, streaming has the edge.
 
Then perhaps they'll stop being easily mislead into following the cults of personalities, and vote based on the issues.

Yeah, that will happen.

I have been disowned by my two siblings because I voted for 'Killary', with one of them telling me that I deserve to have ISIS come and kill both my wife and I.

The one thing that the programming from Fox News, the GOP, and their accessory groups and thugs, is that they market hate and fear better than the porn industry markets sex. I mean, of the porn industry was as successful as the 'blight wing', there would be people having sex on any surface that would hold them.

Cars, buses, cabs, restaurants, roads, highways, everywhere...
 
I think you misunderstand the term “Capitalism” and might find this article of interest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richar...dly-not-corporatism-or-cronyism/#52f4030165e5

In fact, capitalism is the system of rights, liberty, civility, peace and non-sacrificial prosperity; it’s not the system of government that unjustly favors capitalists at others’ expense.

Yes, there’s an alternative system that does entail the government unjustly ruling business and government, in turn, improperly controlled by business for business’s exclusive benefit (whether by subsidies, special favors, monopolies and franchises, tax breaks, or bailouts), even as it nominally still permits private property holdings: it’s called “corporatism” (sometimes, synonymously, “cronyism” or “fascism”).​

The whole article is worth a careful read because I think it’s important that we as a people are clear on what exactly we are angry about or disapproving of before we use our democratic vote to effect change to something “better”. Because the risk is that we end up with something much worse instead.

Not trying to stir anything up here by the way, just sharing something I myself learned only a few years ago. Hopefully you’ll find it as interesting as I did.

I'm not sure about that utopian version of capitalism ever being the "real" capitalism. If it had ever existed in the wild, there would have been no audience for Marx, Lenin, Mao, etc., no trade union movement, no economically-based revolts, no need to abolish slavery... Bottom line for me is that utopian capitalism still depends on self-interest as the driving force. If a person is faced by a me vs. them decision, me wins every time. Enlightened self-interest all too often falls to selfishness. The excesses of our current "corporatism," which come cloaked in capitalist theory, do not argue for a return to "pure" free markets. A hybrid system is necessary, one that crosses many ideological divides.
 
The idea of the "Media Centre" PC integrating all the functions you need has never really become more than niche. It's not just Apple that have dropped the "Front Row" idea, Microsoft dumped their media centre product too. I've dabbled with Media PCs, have used a homebrew PVR for years and, frankly, its more a hobby than a practical solution. The truth is that a full-fat Mac or PC sitting under your TV making noise is complete overkill when when a tiny £50 Raspberry Pi or Android TV box talking to a NAS box in another room can play back full HD without breaking a sweat.

I was suprised to see that your post was from the beginning of this year. I'd say that at least for the ”somewhat geeky” a Media Server is a lot much more than a niche and definitely a practical solution. It can also be used of gaming on the TV (if wanted). I have an Intel NUC that I uses with Plex and it doesn't make much noise since the CPU is mostly not very busy (using 2W when idle) and it's even possible to get the computer fan-less with a case from Akasa.

But like you say it's many times enough with less powerful (and cheaper) server hardware.
 
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I'd say that at least for the ”somewhat geeky” a Media Server is a lot much more than a niche and definitely a practical solution.... I have an Intel NUC that I uses with Plex and it doesn't make much noise since the CPU is mostly not very busy

I found that it was the hard drives that were a bit noisy for the living room - and we're not quite at the stage where its economical to fit a NUC with a couple of TB of SSD c.f. having the server in another room and using a $70 streaming box as the living room front end.

Also, I've never tried to use the Windows/Mac OS clients for Netflix, Amazon Video, the various catchup TV services etc. via a remote from an armchair... are they usable?
 
I found that it was the hard drives that were a bit noisy for the living room - and we're not quite at the stage where its economical to fit a NUC with a couple of TB of SSD c.f. having the server in another room and using a $70 streaming box as the living room front end.

Also, I've never tried to use the Windows/Mac OS clients for Netflix, Amazon Video, the various catchup TV services etc. via a remote from an armchair... are they usable?

The 3.5" 2 TB Western Digital "Green" drive I have for my media in an external enclosure doesn't make much noise. I just have the NUC as a server (I know it's a bit overkill) and mostly stream things of it using Apple TV. Could of course also use Plex directly on the NUC using a game controller – I've set that up before.
 
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