iPad Jobs says NO to iPad tether....

[Jezper]

Exactly! They asked Jobs a closed ended question to which there are only two possible answers. A 'yes' or a 'no'. OK - there is also 'maybe' if you want to cause chaos and confusion on the Macrumours forums!

Yeah, I'm totally fine with the way Steve replied to me. Ok, it's not the way you'd want regular customer support to reply to you, but as an Apple fan, I knew what to expect if I were to get a reply from him. Sure, he outdone himself keeping it short this time, but I just find it funny.

What's not funny however, is the No instead of a Yes. But make no mistake, I was, as mentioned earlier here, not really expecting anything else than a No.

MyWi, see you on my iPad!

 

[MH01]

He has every right to say No. And no need to justify the answer, as it comes down to $$$ at the end for Apple/carrier.

If you really really really want to tether, not a huge issue, you will be able to tether after jailbreaking. If your a huge apple fanboy and consider jailbreaking to be evil, your loss ,see Jobs reply to tethering.

 

[Stella]

You can't. But a deal is a deal. AT&T figures iPhone owners are much more likely to buy iPads, so most iPad owners, at least for awhile, will also have iPhones. It tethering is allowed, that's increased load on the network without additional $$ for AT&T (remember - AT&T still doesn't allow iPhone tethering). This way, AT&T gets at least some $$ to allow what every decent network already allows.

There may not be as extra load as you think - people who are tethering will already have data plans and using bandwidth.

I suppose AT&T and Apple will just have to suck it up when people tether with non Apple phones and jail broken iPhones.

 

[RainbowMac]

While I really wish there was a camera on the ipad, I'll probably pick one up anyway - particularly since our office will be experimenting with excel & word data collection tablets for field use.

Since I already have a JB'd 3GS w/ PDAnet, I don't need 3G nor the GPS.

 

[mccldwll]

Aww, muffin. You're just sad because he never replied to you, eh?

I have to believe he is, given the fact that the first time I emailed him led to an interview with Apple and they had no idea what I did for a living. Sure, maybe there's people sifting through the emails and pushing select ones up to him.. maybe not. But I doubt Steve Jobs, or Apple would allow that kind of direct (and blunt) communication with customers if it wasn't really him. Every time this happens it ends up on Engadget, or Digg, etc. And look at the kind of negative attention it's generating.

By my own experience, types like Steve are addicted to their work. They can't let it go.. ever. They're working until the wee hours of the morning, up late, up early, and always writing emails, leaving voicemails. They're an employees worst nightmare because the job never ends. It really doesn't seem that unrealistic to me.

I'll try to keep this simple for you. How many aapl products are out there? Let's say 100,000,000 (for simplicity). So on any given day, is it reasonable to assume that 1 out of every 20,000 (assume 5 products per person) is extremely frustrated with something about one of his/her aapl products, knows the dear steve address, and emails him? Gee, that's only 1,000 emails for him to go through per day in his spare time. Piece of cake.

 

[TimothyJarman]

sales

I think we should all wait for the release.

I love apple products but refuse to buy the ipad. I hope other do to.

Money is the only game we have, if we dont pay, they will change, simple process.

The moment they allow tethering from iphone to ipad, i will buy one. I will not pay more money for no reason. An i will not under any circumstances sign another phone contract for a data plan when i already have one good one for my iphone. Its just ridiculous.

I live in Estonia and our phone operators have no worries about tethering, they encourage us to do so.


Why are people sticking up for apple i just dont understand you. I love apple but why oh why would you not want these feature unlocked, why are you blindly following anything apple say, i cant figure it out.

Keep this up and its only a matter of time before the imac, mac books etc are under control and you have no free will anymore.... Want to have this program, then you must ask us first. Unbelievable

 

[*LTD*]

I think we should all wait for the release.

I love apple products but refuse to buy the ipad. I hope other do to.

Money is the only game we have, if we dont pay, they will change, simple process.

The moment they allow tethering from iphone to ipad, i will buy one. I will not pay more money for no reason. An i will not under any circumstances sign another phone contract for a data plan when i already have one good one for my iphone. Its just ridiculous.

I live in Estonia and our phone operators have no worries about tethering, they encourage us to do so.


Why are people sticking up for apple i just dont understand you. I love apple but why oh why would you not want these feature unlocked, why are you blindly following anything apple say, i cant figure it out.

Keep this up and its only a matter of time before the imac, mac books etc are under control and you have no free will anymore.... Want to have this program, then you must ask us first. Unbelievable

No free will? You're overstating the issue just a bit.

 

[qtx43]

I'll try to keep this simple for you. How many aapl products are out there? Let's say 100,000,000 (for simplicity). So on any given day, is it reasonable to assume that 1 out of every 20,000 (assume 5 products per person) is extremely frustrated with something about one of his/her aapl products, knows the dear steve address, and emails him? Gee, that's only 1,000 emails for him to go through per day in his spare time. Piece of cake.

Yes, I could see a workaholic going through 1000 emails a day, or more, no problem. He could easily justify it to himself as keeping in touch with public attitudes. But I doubt he does that, as the person you're replying to said, he could have a flunky do pre-screening. He could also take one brief look at a wordy email and not bother, because he only talks to people who are short and direct to the point. He could also just look at the first 50 every day. He could also sort and search for topics and particular people. I find it much more difficult to believe that Apple's PR department would allow emails to go out like this that weren't really from Jobs.

...
I love apple products but refuse to buy the ipad. I hope other do to.

Money is the only game we have, if we dont pay, they will change, simple process.
...

I agree about the money part, that's why I refused to buy an iPhone or iPod Touch, and will be buying an iPad.

 

[Fast Shadow]

How can this be a surprise to anyone? If they allowed tethering it would kill the sales of the 3G model.

 

[2contagious]

How can this be a surprise to anyone? If they allowed tethering it would kill the sales of the 3G model.

Is it even possible to get the 3G version without the 3G contract that goes along with it? Using 1 sim for both iPhone 3G and iPad 3G wouldn't work then..

 

[skellener]

According to Jobs: No iPhone-to-iPad Tethering

Just means time for some jailbreaking!
MyWi Create a WiFi HotSpot with a press of a finger!

 

[Night Spring]

Question to peole in places where their telco's allow iPhone tethering:

How does tethering actually work? I take it you don't create a WiFi hotspot with the iPhone, so it's through USB or bluetooth?

 

[ninethirty]

I'll try to keep this simple for you.

He didn't respond to you, did he?

I'll try to keep this simple for you. How many aapl products are out there? Let's say 100,000,000 (for simplicity). So on any given day, is it reasonable to assume that 1 out of every 20,000 (assume 5 products per person) is extremely frustrated with something about one of his/her aapl products, knows the dear steve address, and emails him? Gee, that's only 1,000 emails for him to go through per day in his spare time. Piece of cake.

 

[ninethirty]

The email I wrote him yesterday was quite wordy. About 6 paragraphs long. The first email I sent him years ago was the same way. That one ended with a free macbook pro and a job offer to work for Apple in California, or Chicago.

Yes, I could see a workaholic going through 1000 emails a day, or more, no problem. He could easily justify it to himself as keeping in touch with public attitudes. But I doubt he does that, as the person you're replying to said, he could have a flunky do pre-screening. He could also take one brief look at a wordy email and not bother, because he only talks to people who are short and direct to the point. He could also just look at the first 50 every day. He could also sort and search for topics and particular people. I find it much more difficult to believe that Apple's PR department would allow emails to go out like this that weren't really from Jobs.
I agree about the money part, that's why I refused to buy an iPhone or iPod Touch, and will be buying an iPad.

 

[elistan]

Question to peole in places where their telco's allow iPhone tethering:

How does tethering actually work? I take it you don't create a WiFi hotspot with the iPhone, so it's through USB or bluetooth?

Correct.
If you hack your iPhone, you can install an app that'll turn it into a hotspot.
If you don't, tethering only works over USB and bluetooth.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2756
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3574

I assume's SJ's response indicates the iPad cannot tether via bluetooth to ANY 3G device for internet connectivity, whether it be an iPhone, Droid, Blackberry, whatever.

 

[goobot]

Question to peole in places where their telco's allow iPhone tethering:

How does tethering actually work? I take it you don't create a WiFi hotspot with the iPhone, so it's through USB or bluetooth?

yes. anyway since im jailbroken and always was since iphone gen 1 i get native and wifi tethering.

idk why people just dont jailbreak.

 

[qtx43]

The email I wrote him yesterday was quite wordy. About 6 paragraphs long. The first email I sent him years ago was the same way. That one ended with a free macbook pro and a job offer to work for Apple in California, or Chicago.

Was it wordy (used unnecessary words) or merely lengthy? Regardless, I was just throwing out possibilities. Mainly, I just don't buy the marketing dept. writing such emails in his name.

edit: which I see is pretty much what you wrote in the first place, when I go back to look at your previous post.

 

[KikoPT]

Question to peole in places where their telco's allow iPhone tethering:

How does tethering actually work? I take it you don't create a WiFi hotspot with the iPhone, so it's through USB or bluetooth?

I live in Europe (Portugal, to be exact) and i use it sometimes ...

It works rather well ... but it is only via USB or BlueTooth. No wi-fi routing abilities are permitted on the iPhone.

I've used it mainly to connect my MBP on places which don't have wi-fi or ethernet ...

What bugs me is that with this "NO", S.Jobs is kinda forcing me to jailbrake my iPhone 3GS.

I've had a iPhone 2G (classic) jailbroken for quite sometime, and after my 3GS purchase i've decided to stay apple-respectful and not Jailbrake.

My eventually iPad purchase will be an Wi-Fi 64Gb version. I'd say that 95% of my iPad eventual use will be on a Wi-Fi enabled location. However, i'd like to make sure that on the 5% of not-Wi-Fi availability, i can have some alternative.

I already have a 3GS iPhone with a 500Mb data plan .. which i use, i'd say, 250 - 300Mb monthly. No chance i'll pay for a 3G iPad with another data plan ... i've got no use for another specific iPad data-plan. Even at 30Euros or something a month, it's just expansive for my (estimated) real utilization of it ...

The iPhone to iPad tether would allow to fill the 5% gap when you really need some connectivity and the iPhone isn't enough ...

Right now, if at any point of my eventual iPad use, i get the need for tethering to the iPhone .. i'm forced to stop respecting Apple policy again, and Jailbrake my iPhone.

I'm really itching for an iPad, but THIS option i just don't get it ... specially considering that one can already use the iPhone tether on other Apple machines ...

Anyway ... let's see ... i'm still pissed (very) about the US-only april 3rd lauch ... WHY OH WHY!! GRRR!

 

[mccldwll]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mccldwll
I'll try to keep this simple for you. How many aapl products are out there? Let's say 100,000,000 (for simplicity). So on any given day, is it reasonable to assume that 1 out of every 20,000 (assume 5 products per person) is extremely frustrated with something about one of his/her aapl products, knows the dear steve address, and emails him? Gee, that's only 1,000 emails for him to go through per day in his spare time. Piece of cake.

I'll try to keep this simple for you.

He didn't respond to you, did he?

I used to send Santa my Christmas list and my parents said they would mail it for me. Sometimes I even got what I asked for as presents. If addressing an email to steve works for you, go for it.

 

[mccldwll]

Mainly, I just don't buy the marketing dept. writing such emails in his name.

It would be the problems resolution department (at whatever level was called for) not the marketing department. It requires an entirely different skill set. In any hierarchy there are people acting in the name of their superiors every day. That's how things get done.

 

[Night Spring]

How does tethering actually work? I take it you don't create a WiFi hotspot with the iPhone, so it's through USB or bluetooth?

Thanks to everyone who answered my question. Now that we've established that "official" tethering works only through bluetooth or USB, my next question is, how difficult is it for Apple to enable bluetooth or USB tethering on the iPad? Is it something that can be done through a software update, or would they have to make changes in the hardware to make this possible?

 

[KikoPT]

Thanks to everyone who answered my question. Now that we've established that "official" tethering works only through bluetooth or USB, my next question is, how difficult is it for Apple to enable bluetooth or USB tethering on the iPad? Is it something that can be done through a software update, or would they have to make changes in the hardware to make this possible?

Considering some articles like this:

http://www.tipb.com/2010/03/05/ipad-sdk-settings-tethering-voice-mail-mms-wikipedia-search/

And pictures like this:

http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2010/03/Screen-shot-2010-03-05-at-12.59.22-AM.png

Which may or may not be completely accurate ...

I'd say that u could probably tether (at least theoretically, considering the hardware is similar) your IPAD to some of your apple devices (meaning, MBP, iMac, etc .. ) .. we shall see ..

For me, it makes perfect sense, considering the 3G data plan ....

Now, the iphone tether to ipad ... i'm guessing it's a little more difficult, but possible ... you must have your iPad bluetooth behaving more like a computer and accepting bluetooth incoming network (Apple calls its connection something like Bluetooth PAN, if i'm not mistaken)

 

[wizard]

It will be sometime before the final numbers are in.

I don't doubt that web browsing battery life will be improved over an iPhone, just that the 10 hour estimate was not likely based on 10 hours of active internet access. From Walts interview with Steve, when Walt mentioned a comparison to e-ink on the Kindle Steve said 'You just end up plugging it in' '10 hours is a long time, your not going to read for 10 hours'. This would indicate little more then 10 hours of just reading is going require docking to charge.

The wide variance in run time numbers have a lot to do with lighting the screen. Thus music playback for days and much more limited movie playback. In a way you have the same issue with web access or streaming over the network. Cell access is more power demanding than WiFi and 3g gets worst the farther you are from the tower. So expect confused numbers at first.

So the first thing we have toaxknowledge is that the display sucks up a lit of juice so to speak. On top of this we still know very little about the actual hardware. We don't know how much RAM is on board and we don't know the specifics about A4. With respect to A4 we know nothing about it's ability to decoode video, that is is Apple using the GPU, ARM supplied IP (vector processing, third party IP or Apple supplied IP.

What is interesting is the recently released Apple patents for computer logic to improve vector processing. Honestly this has me wondering if Apple has incorporated it's own IP into the ARM processor or maybe went a bit farther with a standalone vector engine. This is all interesting because it effectively impacts performance and battery lifetimes. If they can effectively decode video at an extremely low power level then the biggest limiter to run time will be the LEDs driving the LCD.

IPad could be a very interesting hardware platform that I could see generating interests from the tech community. That only if Apple where more open with respect to what is in A4.



Dave

 

[wizard]

Your last question is easy to answer.

yes. anyway since im jailbroken and always was since iphone gen 1 i get native and wifi tethering.

idk why people just dont jailbreak.

1. Reliability, iPhone is the only phone of anytype I've got right now so I want to keep it stable.
2. I still imagine myself to be a developer so I want a stable platform in that regards too. That also means I update my iPhone whenever an update comes out as soon as it does.
3. My hacking energies get expended on my Linux boxes or in XCode. It isn't that I've haven't been tempted but see number one above. If i had a second iPhone or even a Touch jailbreaking might happen.
4. Same goes with iPad. In fact I see the 3G model as being far more tempting for jailbreaking, this due to a number of issues. One of these is the more powerful platform to better run the sharing softwares like MyFi.
5. 3G is a bit like Dial Up performance wise. That of course is very usable for things like E-Mail but the iPhone already does E-Mail well.


Dave

 

[goobot]

1. Reliability, iPhone is the only phone of anytype I've got right now so I want to keep it stable.
2. I still imagine myself to be a developer so I want a stable platform in that regards too. That also means I update my iPhone whenever an update comes out as soon as it does.
3. My hacking energies get expended on my Linux boxes or in XCode. It isn't that I've haven't been tempted but see number one above. If i had a second iPhone or even a Touch jailbreaking might happen.
4. Same goes with iPad. In fact I see the 3G model as being far more tempting for jailbreaking, this due to a number of issues. One of these is the more powerful platform to better run the sharing softwares like MyFi.
5. 3G is a bit like Dial Up performance wise. That of course is very usable for things like E-Mail but the iPhone already does E-Mail well.


Dave

jailbreaking doesnt cause a loss of stable platform. it actually can make it more stable. ex. i remember back on 2.x there was a bug. i installed something from cydia and bam fixed.