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John Ternus Again Profiled as Apple's Likely Next CEO
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Nearly no customers of the 1+ Billion Apple customers? Or nearly no tech forum customers always taking a swing at Apple every day of the week? You may not know there is a difference.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
All companies make missteps and that doesn’t mean apple doesn’t deliver on the bigger picture. And clearly no company is going to deliver 100% to all customers.
I’d like to see an AW with 30 days of battery as I’m sure all users would. Does that mean apple hasn’t delivered? No it does not. People decide on form and function and value and go from there.
Well yes. As citysnaps points out the one billion plus repeat customers buy apple products and services enough to propel apple valuation into the stratosphere. Does that mean 100% of customers will ever be satisfied?
No. Customers aren’t trapped. They have decided for themselves to stay with apple for their own reasons.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Whilst he could have been a great CEO, I think with the money he has, and the time he has spent outside Apple getting a life, I doubt he would want to come back and work all the crazy hours required.
It's not that complicated. The MacBook Air is lighter than the Pro, hence the name. The Pro is more capable than the Air, full stop. The iPad line is more confused than that, since there are four lines of products for different audiences. The iPhone line had a more similar delineation between the base model and the Pro until the Air came in and went mostly ignored. Regardless, it's not that difficult to grasp because most customers are coming into a store for only one of these product lines at one time, making the explanations fairly easy for the staff. Try using a single paragraph to explain the product offerings of any other multi-platform hardware manufacturer. Were you aware that at the Google Store they don't sell any Chromebooks, instead deferring to OEM partners and retailers? The Store sells a 2+ year old Pixel tablet though, now that's a winner.
Contact_Feanor
macrumors 6502a
Yes, all users would love to see an AW with 10 days of battery. And all users would love an iPhone Pro with 6 months of battery, the thickness of a piece of paper and M-series instead of A-series SoC. Yet engineering is about compromises. I doubt anyone would want an Apple Watch to be the size it'd need to be for 10 days of battery, or the performance it'd need to have, or the lack of features necessary to achieve it. Given the success of the Apple Watch, I'd say Tim Cook is delivering exactly the balance of features and tradeoffs that enough potential customers want for it to be the most popular smartwatch in the world, scrap that, the most popular watch in the world, despite Android having about 75-80% marketshare worldwide and apple watches not even working with those.
Digital Dude
macrumors 68000
Hopefully, John will be able to right the ship after years of Cook ‘effing things up.
Years ago, I spent more than $3,000 on HomePods, but nowadays I mainly use them as event timers and little else. For anything more demanding, I have to rely on my Google Hubs.
It didn’t start out that way, but over time, Siri just got worse. It reminds me of a line from a 1947 playwright: “Artificial intelligence deteriorates at a rate-time directly proportional to the quantity of the increase.” 👨🔬
Years ago, I spent more than $3,000 on HomePods, but nowadays I mainly use them as event timers and little else. For anything more demanding, I have to rely on my Google Hubs.
It didn’t start out that way, but over time, Siri just got worse. It reminds me of a line from a 1947 playwright: “Artificial intelligence deteriorates at a rate-time directly proportional to the quantity of the increase.” 👨🔬
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Contact_Feanor
macrumors 6502a
I still love mine. They sound great and homekit integration is flawless for me. Do those google hubs sound as good?
Digital Dude
macrumors 68000
No, they don’t sound nearly as good as the HomePods, but for addressing queries, which is the main reason I purchased them, the Google Hubs don’t send me to my phone or dump me onto the web. 📲🕸️
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My theory is that Apple long ago started prioritizing listening to users and then selling targeted ads based on their conversations OVER listening for basic Siri commands. How many times have you asked Siri to do something and get ZERO response? I listened to my wife ask Siri to add something to the shopping list 3 TIMES before dinner tonight - each time, she got more angry. Finally on the third try, Siri decided to respond. APPLE, you have allowed this to get beyond stupid. As an Apple shareholder, I am embarrassed. I sure hope you bring Siri up to 2026 standards soon! Siri feels like the Text to Speech module that I bought for my TRS-80 Model 4 back in 1984...64K of RAM with 5 1/4" floppy drive baby!
Don't forget "I won't respond to that" - Oh wait, that's after me telling Siri to F off...
Contact_Feanor
macrumors 6502a
So you spent more than $3000 on something when your main use could have been better handled with dirt cheap Alexa pucks, knowing the HomePods work with Siri? That's on you, no?
Well said!
Steve Jobs this and Steve Jobs that... blah blah blah. I respect Jobs as much as anyone and became a customer and shareholder during his time.
But that was then and this is now. A dramatically different time in tech.
I also respect Tim Cook for what he has accomplished running this massive company. He has delivered nicely for shareholders, grown the bottom line and now it’s time for a replacement.
Who is chosen will be presented with the opportunity of a lifetime to guide this world class company, the success or failure will be closely watched around the globe.
If successful we will all benefit. If not we have choices to celebrate.
MacBH928
macrumors G3
I am with @AndiG , imagine telling people there is macbook PRO with m4 PRO chip , and there is a MAX chip and good luck explaining the difference of cores for average people. Weird names like 16E doesn't reflect what type of phone it is.
We have 3 Apple TVs now , the device, the store, and the app 😂
Tim is just sliding on Job's inertia. All products are set by Jobs. His only accomplishment is M chips (which is great one btw) . But since Jobs left, software quality and ease of use has gone downhill. the iOS health app was so bad I deleted it.
One thing I will give Cook though is he didn't run the company into the ground and gave us something as horrible as Windows 8 nor bankrupted Apple like Yahoo CEOs did. He at least maintained similar level of class.
We have 3 Apple TVs now , the device, the store, and the app 😂
Tim is just sliding on Job's inertia. All products are set by Jobs. His only accomplishment is M chips (which is great one btw) . But since Jobs left, software quality and ease of use has gone downhill. the iOS health app was so bad I deleted it.
One thing I will give Cook though is he didn't run the company into the ground and gave us something as horrible as Windows 8 nor bankrupted Apple like Yahoo CEOs did. He at least maintained similar level of class.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
There is a counterpoint to this. Of course in the end people will believe what they want, but it doesn’t matter, because the history books will report Tim’s tenure as they will.
It’s irrelevant if you believe Tim is riding on Job’s inertia or how many products or product categories he created or how many “failures” he had or if innovation took a nose dive or software quality went down. The fact is Apple under Tim grew to a juggernaut. People bought apples products and services.
And fine if your opinion of the health app is to delete it. I like it.
You mean the Apple is doomed memes that permeate MacRumors in 2011 and persists to this day, with posters claiming a monkey could run apple better than Cook?
I get a laugh at posters who argue away apples success under Tim: “well he didn’t create any new categories”. Well the wearables revenue is more than some fortune companies. That should tell you all you need to know.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Well, average people don't really need either of those products. But yes, "MacBook Pro with M5" (which is not Pro) vs. "MacBook Pro with M4 Pro" is confusing. And "Ultra" being more than "Max" being more than "Pro" is, too.
I don't think that one matters. There's the regular 16 for almost everyone, the reduced 16E, and finally the Pro and Pro Max. (And the offshoot Air.)
Yup, that's a bummer.
AirPods and Apple Watch are two big hits that didn't happen under Jobs. The iPad was also far more limited. The entire notion of the iPad Pro — Apple Pencil, etc. — didn't exist under Jobs.
Which would include Jobs's flops: Lisa, iPod HiFi, PowerMac G4 Cube, Newton, iPod Sox, Apple III, Macintosh Portable, Macintosh TV, Apple QuickTake Camera, Apple Pippen, Apple eMate, the hockey puck mouse, MobileMe, 20th Anniversary Mac, and probably a few more I don't remember.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
The Lisa is somewhat related to Jobs, but he basically started the Mac as a competitive project. Newton, Apple III, Macintosh Portable, QuickTake, Pippin, eMate, and 24th Anniversary Mac all happened without any of his input.
Like, yeah, he had his share of big flops, but this list is largely wrong.
MacBH928
macrumors G3
ill give you the watch, but come on, airpods are just wireless earbuds it was going to happen any way. iPad is just natural evolution of what steve jobs created. Maybe we can add Apple Wallet, that is a good one.
List of stuff that failed/didn't pick up under cook:
-AppleVision
-Apple TV
-Apple Arcade
-Touchbar
-Butterfly keyboard
-AI
-Mac Pro trash can
-HomePod
-iphone 5C
-iphone Air
-iPhone Mini
-the Apple Car
-Apple Music Connect
MacBH928
macrumors G3
Apple already was a juggernaut under Steve Jobs. It was top tech company world wide.
as said before, financially he did amazing. His success was M chips, the watch, and maybe Apple Pay / Wallet. idk if you want to include ios 7 redesign.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
In 2011 apple was value at about 300B today 3.2T. Apple Watch and AirPods which became the standard. Scaled apples services growth in a big way. Showed leadership in privacy, sustainability and social values. Apple stock growth. You can explain all these away as nothing, but it’s not really the case. Tim Cook took Apple up a few notches.
AndiG
macrumors 65816
MacBH928
macrumors G3
There is nothing genius here its just natural result of the economic situation, tech growth, and USA printing money like crazy. In 2011 Apple was #1 Nasdaq company followed by Google and MS ~$200B each. If anything they lost their #1 on Nasdaq ranking.
Apple’s Siri Eavesdropping Payouts Are Starting To Arrive
Apple users are starting to receive their share of a $95 million cash payout to settle a class action case alleging Siri eavesdropping.
www.forbes.com