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Who? Apple? Apple makes great consumer products. So does samsung.

Great, if you're Tiffany texting her friends the mall on her iOS toy.
Not so great if you have a magazine spread to build or a movie to edit in creative suite.
 
So don't buy it. For a lot of people it is the best choice. Obviously it isn't for you. Is it that hard to work it out?

That's just what I'd say to Apple. Is it that hard to work it out.
You're a computer company. Make computers. Not toys.
 
That's just what I'd say to Apple. Is it that hard to work it out.
You're a computer company. Make computers. Not toys.

They aren't a computer company, they haven't been one for years.

I'm a little confused, what is your actual complaint? Are you saying Apple hardware is too weak?
 
They aren't a computer company, they haven't been one for years.

I'm a little confused, what is your actual complaint? Are you saying Apple hardware is too weak?

Hey are either too poorly designed or not upkept enough.
Don't get me wrong. I love macs. They got me to switch back in the nineties and I've never looked back since. Their business model for the last few years has just been crud. Badly designed cases for the iMac and Mac mini. Restrictive upgradability. No updates to the important product lines so more attention could be spent on iOS products instead. Which isn't bad since it made them money, which is good, you need that in order to upkeep your company and pay your employees. However, neglecting the customer base that built your company on the first place ie home and professional computer users, is not good.
Many graphics companies I work with have been pulling their hair out waiting for a new machine to replace the dinosaurs they have to keep running.
Is it so hard to update a product line with one new feature like usb3? Or thunderbolt? The 'update' to the Mac pro after the conference was just an insult. As if the company was saying, "You're all dopes right? You'll buy this is an upgrade. Suckers."
 
Hey are either too poorly designed or not upkept enough.
Don't get me wrong. I love macs. They got me to switch back in the nineties and I've never looked back since. Their business model for the last few years has just been crud. Badly designed cases for the iMac and Mac mini. Restrictive upgradability. No updates to the important product lines so more attention could be spent on iOS products instead. Which isn't bad since it made them money, which is good, you need that in order to upkeep your company and pay your employees. However, neglecting the customer base that built your company on the first place ie home and professional computer users, is not good.
Many graphics companies I work with have been pulling their hair out waiting for a new machine to replace the dinosaurs they have to keep running.
Is it so hard to update a product line with one new feature like usb3? Or thunderbolt? The 'update' to the Mac pro after the conference was just an insult. As if the company was saying, "You're all dopes right? You'll buy this is an upgrade. Suckers."

Ah ok. You do make a valid point. Their pro offering is weak compared to other companies. That is actually exactly why I believe they have greater interest in profit than in product design. There are always other options though.
 
Ah ok. You do make a valid point. Their pro offering is weak compared to other companies. That is actually exactly why I believe they have greater interest in profit than in product design. There are always other options though.

Such as? I'm eager to upgrade my business.
 
Ah ok. You do make a valid point. Their pro offering is weak compared to other companies. That is actually exactly why I believe they have greater interest in profit than in product design. There are always other options though.

Their pro offering is worse than weak. Its a total joke. If you really need serious performance, or even mediocre performance. The mac is no longer an option. Which is a shame. Because it used to be.

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Such as? I'm eager to upgrade my business.

Windows/nix workstations. You get better OS support for longer, better hardware, new IOs, and a roadmap of the future.

With apple, they drop support for machines 3-5 years old, then tell you " maybe 2013 ".

If your a business that needs serious workstations, its time to leave the apple world.
 
Their pro offering is worse than weak. Its a total joke. If you really need serious performance, or even mediocre performance. The mac is no longer an option. Which is a shame. Because it used to be.

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Windows/nix workstations. You get better OS support for longer, better hardware, new IOs, and a roadmap of the future.

With apple, they drop support for machines 3-5 years old, then tell you " maybe 2013 ".
If your a business that needs serious workstations, its time to leave the apple world.
Windows! (raises a cross with garlic on it)
Seriously though, I may have to. It pains me to have to give up stability, security and ease of use just so I have a computer that actually works. It's really sad that macs have degraded so much that THIS is an option.
This is a good example why we need clones back
 
Windows! (raises a cross with garlic on it)
Seriously though, I may have to. It pains me to have to give up stability, security and ease of use just so I have a computer that actually works. It's really sad that macs have degraded so much that THIS is an option.
This is a good example why we need clones back

Don't need a cross :p windows 7 is a great os, just give it a shot :)

Windows 7 is secure, stable, and its super easy to use. And they didn't turn it into iosx. Like apple did with lion
 
Badly designed cases for the iMac and Mac mini.

If you're talking about aesthetics that's a purely subjective thing. IMO they look great.

Restrictive upgradability.

I'm genuinely concerned about this. I realize Apple likes to lock down their stuff but if they do more to their computers that's a problem IMO. Right now the rMBP doesn't have user up gradable RAM which forces you to buy Apple ram at a million times the price you could get somewhere else online.

This is the one thing that would have me switch back to PCs, locking down their computers to extreme. No thanks Apple. That or build a hackintosh so I could still use OS X.
 
Who said you have to be ethical to pursue great products?

Those unethical things I mentioned all have one thing in common: profit maximization. If Ive is going to tell me they prioritize great products before profit, then it'd be natural to hold them to a higher standard of behavior regarding profit compared to other companies whose priority is profits, unless you include Samsung, MS, and the like as examples of companies who don't prioritize profits.
 
Don't need a cross :p windows 7 is a great os, just give it a shot :)

Windows 7 is secure, stable, and its super easy to use. And they didn't turn it into iosx. Like apple did with lion

One of our outside offices uses windows 7 and it's a pain in the backside. Counter intuitive, sloppy os that can't remember it's own settings or drivers.
Ugh.
Plus, it's an os built on an incomplete, flawed os that never should have been released without major fixes. Windows can not be an option. I'll have to get a custom hakintosh built.
 
One of our outside offices uses windows 7 and it's a pain in the backside. Counter intuitive, sloppy os that can't remember it's own settings or drivers.
Ugh.
Plus, it's an os built on an incomplete, flawed os that never should have been released without major fixes. Windows can not be an option. I'll have to get a custom hakintosh built.

Where are you getting any of that from? If your having issues like that with windows, you need a new IT staff.
 
Where are you getting any of that from? If your having issues like that with windows, you need a new IT staff.

The dang things can't remember that they have drivers installed in them. Every month we have to reinstall the same Wacom drivers into them repeatedly. It's just a flawed OS.
 
New IT staff time :)

Its no more flawed than osx, which btw is incapable of heavy lifting ;)

It has gotten weaker the more iPhone-y they make it, which is why I'm avoiding Lion. I still like the flow of it rather than windows 7s convoluted workflow.

It ain't perfect, but it sure beats that kick to the gut.
 
It has gotten weaker the more iPhone-y they make it, which is why I'm avoiding Lion. I still like the flow of it rather than windows 7s convoluted workflow.

It ain't perfect, but it sure beats that kick to the gut.

Windows 7 for me in the workplace is great, OSX can omly read 96gb of ram, which makes it useless for me ;)

So its between up to date hardware, or 3 year old hardware. ;)
 
I have already named American companies which already supply Apple with components (then shipped to China): Corning glass, Qualcomm 4G chip, Broadcom Bluetooth/FM/WLAN modules, baseboard by TriQuint, audio by Texas Instr, CMOS by Micron. Other capacities can be build for Apple in US just like they build them for Apple in China, Korea, Japan and Brazil.

And then think of all the benefits manufacturing in US: Apple money will stay in American banks, new manufacturing capacities created, hundreds of thousands jobs created, and at the end all these employed Americans will buy more Apple products. Somehow GM, Ford, Toyota, Benz, Honda manage building good cars in America while making profits.
Making chips is very very VERY different than assembling something as complex as an iPhone. You can use machines to do most of the work in making chips. You cannot use machines for most of the assembly of an iPhone. http://www.megeb.com/revealed-iphone-and-ipad-assembled-by-hand-made/
And you think it's that easy to hire just anyone for the job? Let's see if you could endure these work demands: Apple wants to make products in US but that's not so easy

Sure, the american made components will reduce Apple profit margins from 40% to maybe 25%, but hey, profit for Apple is not the highest priority. Right? What's a point of keeping $110 billion profit in Asian banks anyway?
Yeah, that's what he was saying. And being a doctor, if I say I do what I do because my passion is for science and medicine, not money, then everyone should take that to mean I should just give my salary back to the hospital and see patients for free? That's what you would conclude?? :rolleyes:

Just because money doesn't drive their overall business direction, doesn't mean it doesn't create constraints on what they're able to do. And if given the option of making 40% higher profit margins with established manufacturing partners with sufficient skilled laborers, or lower profits and having to built out factories and hire workers yourself, it's not even an option. If you'd choose the latter, well I'd say it's no wonder you're not running a company. And you probably never will.
 
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It has gotten weaker the more iPhone-y they make it, which is why I'm avoiding Lion. I still like the flow of it rather than windows 7s convoluted workflow.

It ain't perfect, but it sure beats that kick to the gut.

It's just what you're used to. If you were accustomed to Windows you would see it isn't convoluted at all.
 
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