Jony Ive Reveals Exclusive Apple Watch Sport Bands at Milan Design Week

[phillipduran]

China needs to get to work quick making these available to us common folk!

You know, a lot is said there.

Apple has created sides. The elite exclusive, catered to, half hour appointment class.

And then everyone else. The scrubs, the serfs, the common folk.

Way to go Apple. You're really finding your way aren't you.

What has happened to this company.

 

[ginkobiloba]

You know, a lot is said there.

Apple has created sides. The elite exclusive, catered to, half hour appointment class.

And then everyone else. The scrubs, the serfs, the common folk.

Way to go Apple. You're really finding your way aren't you.

What has happened to this company.

I wonder.. Do you guys REALLY need that exclusive gold aWatch version ? Is it essential to your being , so much that it makes you so angry with envy ? Don't forget it has exactly the same technology as the 400$ version.
I personally find gold very tacky looking. If they gave me one for free, I would sell it, buy a stainless steel version, and a MacPro with the rest.

 

[carrrrrlos]

Cruised to the Apple Store to pick up the new MacBook Air - which is amazing! Also checked out the Apple Watch. The way they are displaying and promoting this watch is really nice - but the watch itself just is not impressive in person (to me). It’s for sure an amazing feat of software and hardware ingenuity, however I’m just having a hard time justifying getting something that requires me to take it off and on every night and hoping that the battery will last thru the late afternoon, early evening. It will take more than limited edition bands for me to pull the trigger on this device.

 

[elgrecomac]

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Like the Newton/Message Pad, it could die out rather quickly, but will be the forerunner to greater things to come from many companies.

And on this we DO agree!

 

[iSee]

You know, a lot is said there.

Apple has created sides. The elite exclusive, catered to, half hour appointment class.

And then everyone else. The scrubs, the serfs, the common folk.

Way to go Apple. You're really finding your way aren't you.

What has happened to this company.

It's funny how different people can look at the exact same thing and see such different things.

The Apple Watch, to me, looks remarkably egalitarian. The least expensive one is 100% as functional as the most expensive one -- even though it costs about 1/50th as much. (Well, the materials will wear differently, but even there, the SS is probably at least as durable as any of the gold ones, possibly more so.)

Now, $350-400 is a real chunk of change. But if you can come up with that, you'll get the very best Watch Apple's is able to make -- probably the best one in the world -- and it will be pretty much the same one the richest billionaire in the world can get.

Anyway, if an extra 15 min of appointment time is important to you, go ahead and sign up for one of the Edition appointments. They don't make you buy one.

 

[3282869]

I wish Apple designed a band first or as alternative to a watch. Those of us who don't need a watch/wear a timepiece as jewelry, etc. and a fitness band on our other wrist would be much more inclined to purchase an Apple designed band with many of the same features of the watch with better Health app/kit integration. Perhaps many of the features Apple couldn't use in the watch due to battery life, etc could have been implemented into a band, then later into the watch.

I'm really waiting for non-invasive blood glucose monitoring, especially if it's continuous. That will be a paradigm shifter.

 

[daftpunker909]

If you use up your phone fully (that's intense all day use, 100% to 5%) each day (and taking no factor like storing or using intensely in very high heat into account (that's bad for batteries)), your battery will last 400-500 full cycles (all best tech current lithium batteries will do that).

On average, people have about 25-40% left at the end of the day; at that level, batteries last 800-1200 cycles before they reach 70% of their initial charge. That"s 2-3 years for most people. Apple has set their watch's battery to reach that level as 3 years. So, they seemingly expect people to finish their days on average around 30-35%; off course, some will use it more, and less than that.

With lighter use (60-50% charge at end of day) a battery can last 2000-2500 cycles (the number of cycles is non-linear); that's 7 years.

Currently, replacing a phone battery can be done for $30 bucks around here (if you let someone do it); if you do it yourself, it is $15 bucks maximum. My 3GS got his battery replaced last January (5.7 years old) for that price. By that time, 5.7 years... Yes, the battery life sucked, as expected ;-).

Apple said the battery was replaceable; and like batteries for phones, it is highly probable that people will be able to get their battery replaced for $20-40 bucks from a third party after however how often they use watch (or phone). Apple will also do it off course, but may charge a bit more (just like they charge a bit more to change Iphone batteries).

Your calculation may be valid if you only consider depth of charge as a factor degrading batteries. This is a very optimistic assumption, since there are many more contributing factors. My personal experience with Apple batteries is very different from yours (and if you look at Apple/Macrumors forums, there are many more): my iphone 5s battery required charging at least once per day after owning for 1.5 years. I suspect that it may be due to the fact that a lot of accessories (my car radio especially) charges the device once you plug it in, which caused the iphone to be charged more than once per day. I'd think that a lot of iphone users plug it into other devices.

 

[Keirasplace]

Your calculation may be valid if you only consider depth of charge as a factor degrading batteries. This is a very optimistic assumption, since there are many more contributing factors. My personal experience with Apple batteries is very different from yours (and if you look at Apple/Macrumors forums, there are many more): my iphone 5s battery required charging at least once per day after owning for 1.5 years. I suspect that it may be due to the fact that a lot of accessories (my car radio especially) charges the device once you plug it in, which caused the iphone to be charged more than once per day. I'd think that a lot of iphone users plug it into other devices.

Depth of charge is the most important thing that determines battery longevity, but heat and keeping your battery fully charged (or full discharged) is also not so good, especially if your doing heavy processing or it is a hot day.

If people recharge their phone when they reach 10% and doing it twice a day, that's not good. They'd be better off, charging to 100% at night, discharging to 40-50% as they use it unplugged, then plugging it in and use it as it is charging to 100% (don't do heavy processing when it is close to 100%, better let it discharge a bit if you do that). Heat on a fully charged battery is pretty bad for the battery.

For the watch, all of this is moot. Most people are not going to recharge many times a day and from reviews, will finish the day at about 25-40% on average. This device is very low power, and probably low heat (and I'd wager the slow charge for such a small battery is to keep the battery temp low, to increase its longevity.

If someone charges many times of day, they're likely massive users, and will not mind the small price for the battery change for a device they use that much.

In any case, those batteries will be replaceable, and its likely it won't cost that much to do so (just like for everyone Apple device out there). The battery also seem to be more accessible and very small (from pictures of the internal that have been seen), so third party battery changes should be no more than for the phone, and likely much less (I'd expect $20 eventually).

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Cruised to the Apple Store to pick up the new MacBook Air - which is amazing! Also checked out the Apple Watch. The way they are displaying and promoting this watch is really nice - but the watch itself just is not impressive in person (to me). It’s for sure an amazing feat of software and hardware ingenuity, however I’m just having a hard time justifying getting something that requires me to take it off and on every night and hoping that the battery will last thru the late afternoon, early evening. It will take more than limited edition bands for me to pull the trigger on this device.

Considering none of the reviewers which were using the hell out of the device (more than the average user for sure) had such an issue, the battery comment seems like a very tired comment? Are you afraid you won't make it through the day with your Iphone? Battery life under heavy use is actually worse than the watch.

 

[furi0usbee]

Remember when the iPad launched and everyone said its useless, just a big iPod touch, nobody will ever need it? How about we wait a few months after launch to decide its usefulness..

I was one of those people who said iPad was dumb. Then I held it and used it and changed my tune instantly. Bought it same day I held it. However, that is MUCH different than the watch. Maybe when the watch is not dependent on the phone so much. But now, nothing to see here for me.

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So..After you tested the product for a few weeks, wearing it in different times and places, what limitations did you find? Comparing it to other similar products you have also used, how did it come up short?

But wait...The watch is not actually out yet. No one has them, they don't begin shipping for some time yet. So any comments about the use of the product would be based on no actual use experience.

That would make your comment mostly vacuous...

It's called an opinion. And in my opinion, it's the most worthless Apple product I would have the opportunity to buy in a long while.

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says a typical Apple hater who's never even used the device he's criticizing.

LOL Apple hater? Since 2005 I've spent enough on Apple products to be chilling in a *very* nice Mercedes. So hater? Not quite. I'm the guy who would go sell his MacBook Pro and buy another as soon as the new model came out, then sell and buy again a few months later for a beefier machine. I've owned pretty much every Apple device that's been introduced since 2005. No hater here I can assure you. But I don't 100% good things about any company, because no company is 100% good.

It's more that I love the company for what they do best, and sadly over the course of a few years, I've seen them give up on software, continue with terrible efforts in web services, and now go into the jewelry business. As long as they continue to make great hardware (MacBook Pro in particular), they have me. When you try to do too much, you don't do any one thing very well. And I hope they don't continue down this path. That's what happened to them before Steve came back to turn the company around. They got their hands too dirty and didn't do any one thing well.

If you are mad at me for not liking the watch, I wonder how mad you will be at me when you find out I think they are very unpatriotic for not bringing back their cash here and trying to use every loophole in the world (literally) to avoid paying taxes. But that's another story.

Like I said, I don't love any company 100%.

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You mean since the iPad? And before that, the iPhone? And before that the iPod?

That's a pretty bold statement considering how wrong the naysayers have been in the past. And even bolder when it's coming from someone who's never used one.

The watch isn't even in the same league as the iPhone or iPad. It's not as useful as either, and is just another thing to charge at night, wasting electricity.

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You're not allowed to say that, you'll upset the chosen ones.

LOL. I have found that out... I don't understand the koolaid... Apple makes the best products in the world. Yet, unless you kiss Tim's ring, you are somehow a hater. Folks, deal. The watch is dumb.

 

[mfvisuals]

Yeah, colorful plastic watch bands. What else is not new?​

Technically speaking, they're not plastic.​

 

[nStyle]

I find power drills to be boring devices.

(ba-dum-dum... I'm here all week, folks...)

Imagine giving someone a drill that lived in the 1500's how utterly amazed he would be. We have some pretty amazing things available to us in the world that we take for granted.

 

[Keirasplace]

Imagine giving someone a drill that lived in the 1500's how utterly amazed he would be. We have some pretty amazing things available to us in the world that we take for granted.

Finding a plug would be a bitch though... Maybe give them a rechargeable drill with a portable generator that works on pedal power (or use a water turn the wheel).

 

[D-Dave]

Apple has always been a fashion company, now it's just making it official.

To me, Apple was always about Devices to get things done...but hey, YMMV

...just like those white ipod earbuds became a fashion icon.

Oh please...the only statement that anyone was making by using those white earbuds was and is that he or she wants the world to know they are using an Apple product (but are either deaf or just to cheap to spend 20 bucks on a reasonably sounding pair of Earsbuds)...
Fashion Level: Ambitious Nerd

Apple used to be a lot more inclusive with their products, but the Apple Watch is starting to change that image.

Don't worry...ever since the introduction of the new Macbook I am pretty sure that Apple is probing the Market for it's new Hipster Lineup of devices.
"Think different" will be turned into "Come on, no one else is doing it" and we are good to go


Note: I am NOT hating Apple, I am just loosing touch with the direction they are going...used to be: "Hey, my apple product can do all this cool stuff in style and also looks nice" now seems to be: "Hey, my apple product looks stunning...and can also perform some selcted tasks" ... maybe I am just geeting old and out of the apple target group... :-(

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

Imagine giving someone a drill that lived in the 1500's how utterly amazed he would be. We have some pretty amazing things available to us in the world that we take for granted.

Agreed! I've worked in the high tech industry (I was in a wafer fab when I heard that Apple was going Intel, and I told one of the people in the fab, "this is good news for your company...") and in reading the history of that time (perhaps it was the 1700's), they were eager to embrace new technology, and not be the ones that said, "Who needs one of these? I already have a hand powered drills!"

Of course, back then, it was "produce your food or die," so things that helped them produce were seen as life-giving.

Have a great day!

 

[flat five]

Agreed! I've worked in the
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Have a great day!

i think @nStyle might of missed your joke and took the post too literally?

 

[the8thark]

Is it safe to assume that you're the arbiter of class?

Sam Smith is an award-winning singer. Pharrell Williams, also an award winning Singer, and quite involved in fashion. JJ Abrams, and award-winning director. Karl Lagerfeld, An icon in the fashion industry. These people influence music millions through music, film, fashion, and art.

'Showing stylish excellence' is the dictionary definition of class. Each of these people have displayed that in their respective fields.

Your post is more a classless attempt at trolling IMO.

You don't agree with me therefore you call me a troll. Ok I understand that.
I don't see the above mentioned people as Showing stylish excellence. But since that is a very subjective term, I guess we both can be right as it's more opinion based than fact based.

 

[nStyle]

Agreed! I've worked in the high tech industry (I was in a wafer fab when I heard that Apple was going Intel, and I told one of the people in the fab, "this is good news for your company...") and in reading the history of that time (perhaps it was the 1700's), they were eager to embrace new technology, and not be the ones that said, "Who needs one of these? I already have a hand powered drills!"

Of course, back then, it was "produce your food or die," so things that helped them produce were seen as life-giving.

Have a great day!

Haha, good stuff.

 

[dtich]

I don't know. Sounds very uncomfortable. There are other sleep tracking systems out there that are cheaper and less intrusive and integrates with health kit.

Or, people can just use the time tested method of going to bed when they're tired and waking up and gauging for themselves whether or not they got a good night's sleep.

does it? the watch isn't uncomfortable at all. super comfortable.

and despite your smart-ass tone, sleep tracking is far more useful than that. it can tell you that indeed you were more awake than you thought through the night (from food, or time, or sleep position, or allergies, etc), and coupled with exercise and diet attention you can learn to sleep better; they also can allow you to wake at proper sleep cycle intervals (90 minute rem cycles) so that you are not waking in the middle of a cycle.

so, yeah. that's what i'm gonna do.

 

[jagolden]

does it? the watch isn't uncomfortable at all. super comfortable.

and despite your smart-ass tone, sleep tracking is far more useful than that. it can tell you that indeed you were more awake than you thought through the night (from food, or time, or sleep position, or allergies, etc), and coupled with exercise and diet attention you can learn to sleep better; they also can allow you to wake at proper sleep cycle intervals (90 minute rem cycles) so that you are not waking in the middle of a cycle.

so, yeah. that's what i'm gonna do.

Completey agree with this. karmaPolice knows **** about sleep and tracking. Just because you 'think' you slept through the night doesn't mean you actually did.
Know many people, including myself, that has sleep apnea. Never thought it was a big deal as I never fealt tired during the day.
Now, even after 3 years of using a CPAP machine, I've got three different specialist (finaly) explaing how the apnea events seriously affect the heart, pancreas, liver, blood and other organs.

Oh yeah, just go to bed when you're tired. May he have undiagnosed apnea and suffer the donsequences.

 

[SMIDG3T]

I really hope we see these new bands unveiled at WWDC, along with v1.1.