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Judge Dismisses Apple Trademark Claims Against Amazon's Appstore

it is too generic, but apple really bring the app store to success. before that there were third party app store for symbian, palm, etc. but the integrated, curated system apple brings to the app store is better... for me , apple should deserve the app store trademark
 
johnnyjibbs said:
In reality, Apple should not have been allowed to trademark such a generic name as "App Store"
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Completely agree. Apple's monopolistic tendencies are annoying. Don't like it when Wal-Mart engages in this kind of stuff. Don't like it when Microsoft engages in it. And don't like it when Apple does it.
 
false said:
^ Re read post 143 and 149. Microsoft has been clearly using the term "application" in their OS and literature since 1992.
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And there are a number of Microsoft APIs that use "app" - primarily because in the prehistoric days when you bought memory by the KiB it was important to have 8.3 file names and very terse API names.

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bedifferent said:
lol :) it is cold outside, and snowing like it's going out of style
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Unfortunately, as soon as it stops snowing in Boston it changes from clean white to dirty grey.

(Lived in Cambridgeport for a handful of years)
 
iGrip said:
Apple has got to stop filing these ******** IP claims. It is bad for their image.

They are widely known now for their abuse of the legal system, and taxpayers are pissed that so much tax money is being wasted by Apple bringing these ******** lawsuits.

And this one ain't even the worst example of Apple's ******** filings against other companies.
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Taxpayers? What taxpayers?
 
fabianjj said:
Here's a picture of a TI-84 from 2004, it has a button that says APPS in purple, which opens a list of installed apps. I'd say this is at least an indication that the word app was used by others referring to software applications generically before apple, which in turn should make the term 'App Store' considered generic.
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The TI-83+, introduced in 1999, also has an APPS button.
 
Not hypothetical...

Arcady said:
This is just as silly as a bunch of drug stores suing each other for using the words "drug store."
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Apparently you missed the Walgreens vs. Wegmans lawsuit over the cursive 'W'
:eek:
 
discuit said:
The TI-83+, introduced in 1999, also has an APPS button.
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The TI-89 introduced in 1998 also has an APPS button. I don't know how far back it was implemented but the 89 was the first TI calculator I remember using.
 
slffl said:
Word is also a noun. Office is a noun. According to this verdict I can now create my own Word and Office products.

I love how it's 'okay' for everyone to steal from Apple these days.

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Same with Word and Office right? Right???
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You mean like WordPerfect or Corel Office?

Anyone should be able to sell a YourBrand Word Processor just as anyone should be able to have a YourBrand App Store.
 
I love Apple and have been supporting them for many years. Lately though they have started to become somewhat pathetic.
 
OtherJesus said:
You mean, like, "Windows"?

The word(s) "app" or "app store" never before passed your lips until Apple made you say it.
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Hey, we've got someone else who didn't bother reading the thread!

Here's a question for you. If Bill opens up a hat store called...appropriately...Bill's Hat Store, does that give him the right to trademark "Hat Store"?
 
pgiguere1 said:
Whether "App Store" should be trademarkable or not is another question, but there's no doubt that the term "App" wasn't used at all before Apple's App Store.
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The warez scene used to (maybe still does?) refer to applications as 'Appz.' I'm sure they weren't the only ones using a similar term, but that's one comes to mind for me. That was happening in the 90s.

EDIT: Here's an example I found from 2000:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000512005859/http://www.warezslutz.com/linkbt/appz1.htm
 
pgiguere1 said:
Whether "App Store" should be trademarkable or not is another question, but there's no doubt that the term "App" wasn't used at all before Apple's App Store.

Microsoft didn't even call Windows software "applications", they had always called them "programs".

I find it weird that a diminutive of a generic term is necessarily considered a generic term as well, even if nobody used the term. By the same logic, you couldn't have a trademark on something like "Mus Store" or "Boo Store". Meanwhile, it's OK for Microsoft to trademark terms like "Windows", "Office", "Word".

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Okay, I did some research like macsmurf suggested.

Wikipedia:
In recent years, the term "app" has been used to exclusively refer to applications for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets, referring to their smaller scope in relation to applications used by PCs.

There may be some anecdotal use of the term "app" before the iPhone (none of which I can easily find using Google, point me in the right direction if you can), but never was it a standard term used by any major tech company.

People started to refer to computer/mobile software as "apps" after Apple's App store, not before.

The only exception I can find is the term "Killer app", but like I said earlier, it has a different meaning. It's also the diminutive of "application", but you wouldn't use the term in the same context. For example, you could say that "X video game" is a console's "killer app". However, would you refer to console games as "apps"? I don't think anybody would, because it doesn't fit with the modern definition of "app" which Apple is responsible for.

Halo was the Xbox's killer app.
You wouldn't say "let's go to Gamestop preorder this app called Halo".
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The abbreviation app to refer to an application has been used for many years by software developers. Even back in the late 80's I can remember this term being used widely by developers but it is only in recent years that it has been widely used by the general public. The term killer app was simply a rare situation back then where the term was used in a context picked up on by anyone outside the software development community.
 
Dr McKay said:
Windows frequently calls then applications and programmes. Hence why data from applications is stored in "programme files" and "App Data". In fact Windows any .exe file as an application.

Applications on mobile platforms have frequently been called apps all the way back in the 80's and since. Apple didn't invent the word. I'm struggling to understand the mental gymnastics in your post. First you take one point in my earlier post to make a point and ignore all other points I made that contradict yours, and then you go off on about drivel about Apple leads and all others follow. That's a discussion for another thread and its still just your opinion.
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It's REALLY SIMPLE.

Want to launch software on a Mac?

Go to the "APPlications" folder shortcut

Want to launch software on a PC?

Go to the "START" menu and choose "PROGrams"

GET IT NOW?

It's irrelevant if some software "APPlication/PROGram (as opposed to programme)" uses some system file structure for it's support files that includes the word "application" or "app" in one of it's subfolders if the "APPlication/PROGram (as opposed to programme)" is launched from a menu called "Programs".

Apple spent a long time using the phrase, "There's an App for that" to market the iPhone, iOS is based on Mac OS X which in turn inherited interface similiarities from the classic Mac OS. One consistent feature of which is that ALL SOFTWARE is refered to as "APPlications" and resides in a folder called "APPlications" for just that reason.

Want to know what the file extension is on Mac OS X for "APPlications"?

Go to your "APPlications" folder, select any "APPlication" and go to "Get Info".

Look! Right under "Name & Extension:" it says "[APPlication name].APP"

Wonder why that is?

Could it be that it's an "APPlication"?

:D
 
barkmonster said:
It's REALLY SIMPLE.

Want to know what the file extension is on Mac OS X for "APPlications"?

Go to your "APPlications" folder, select any "APPlication" and go to "Get Info".

Look! Right under "Name & Extension:" it says "[APPlication name].APP"

Wonder why that is?

Could it be that it's an "APPlication"?

:D
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And in Windows, right click any exe file, select Properties and what does it say the file type is - Application. So your point is?
 
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