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Judge Dismisses Cydia Creator's Lawsuit Against Apple For Now
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No, Apple just hadn't thought about many things when they developed early macOS. Did you know? Steve Jobs didn't even want to put expansion slots on the original macintosh. And look at today. Apple increasingly put additional safeguards and restrictions on macOS as well. There are plenty of interviews with Craig and the team about how they think macOS could've been more secure. Apple, way from Jobs, wanted control. iOS is the culmination of everything they have learned so far
And this all have nothing to do with what you want. From Apple's perspective, anything bad will not be good in their brand as the logo in that phone is Apple's logo. Apple will ensure control whenever and wherever they see fit.
Apple is control freak, as Steve Jobs was as well. If you refuse to acknowledge that and you still use Apple products, you're simply in denial and will continue to be annoyed at what Apple is/will be doing.
I feel for Mr Freeman as a former jail breaker from my first I phone. In 2007 loved it but unfortunately I think he will lose this battle Apple has way too much cash to fight this.
But is that really the issue? No one has ever cited a statute that requires an alternative App Store. In fact Cyrus would be free to list apps from the App Store in the Cydia store and use “vbucks” for payment. Same thing essentially as Spotify and Netflix. This whole issue is overblown. You can always by an android and enjoy the security flaws
Actually, a libertarian would support Apple’s position since it involves a contract between two individuals in a free market and government should stay out of contractual relationships other perhaps than to enforce them. The government forcing Apple to open up would be coercive and against libertarian principles.
I too remember the days of jail breaking - when developers had to find ways to prevent piracy to try to be able to get people to pay for their apps. Jail breaking is not piracy but it enabled a lot of piracy. Sideloading may not be the panacea some developers and people on here think.
Does Apple have both a Duty & a Responsibility to recommend & present the Best Apps to App Store consumers ?
If Yes, then they are in violation of that Duty & Responsibility !
Here's one example:
Ever since acquiring SnappyCam in late-2013, Apple hasn't recommended ANY similar third-party apps.
Because Apple is able to fully control the Narrative in their App Store, & because they have NO "App Discovery" competition of iOS apps, they have been able to have their way (i.e., suppress third-party App Innovation).
Apple says they don't have a Monopoly & likes to use Android as their example.
But that's NOT the point.
INSIDE the iOS Ecosystem, Apple is judge, jury, & executioner.
Here's another example:
The day BEFORE Apple's BIG iPhone announce in Sept 2019, they pulled Timmy, the ONLY per-Qtr, per-Device "iPhone Unit Sales Estimator" App on the planet, from their "curated" iOS App Store !
Timmy had been available in the iOS App Store since May 2018, & was partly the reason Apple decided to Stop Reporting iPhone Unit Sales.
Both the Judge, & most in the General Public, know very-little about the App Store !
So obviously, some Education is needed
If Yes, then they are in violation of that Duty & Responsibility !
Here's one example:
Ever since acquiring SnappyCam in late-2013, Apple hasn't recommended ANY similar third-party apps.
Because Apple is able to fully control the Narrative in their App Store, & because they have NO "App Discovery" competition of iOS apps, they have been able to have their way (i.e., suppress third-party App Innovation).
Apple says they don't have a Monopoly & likes to use Android as their example.
But that's NOT the point.
INSIDE the iOS Ecosystem, Apple is judge, jury, & executioner.
Here's another example:
The day BEFORE Apple's BIG iPhone announce in Sept 2019, they pulled Timmy, the ONLY per-Qtr, per-Device "iPhone Unit Sales Estimator" App on the planet, from their "curated" iOS App Store !
Timmy had been available in the iOS App Store since May 2018, & was partly the reason Apple decided to Stop Reporting iPhone Unit Sales.
Both the Judge, & most in the General Public, know very-little about the App Store !
So obviously, some Education is needed
Those apps were never pulled from the Google Play Store even though Android users have been able to side load from the beginning. The benefits of the App Store are easy updates and ease of use and it’s better for new users. I had Android for several years and only side loaded maybe two apps.
Absolutely, Cydia was great. What I mostly used it for was tweaks to the OS that Apple wouldn't make, some to this day, like long press on volume keys to skip tracks, press both up/down for play/pause.
They’re all broadly based on the idea of Apple having a monopoly on Apple’s App Store that’s for Apple’s App Store on Apple’s iPhone running Apple’s iOS. While the outcome is “I can’t buy apps outside the App Store!”, that doesn’t change the fact that large swaths of law depend on a company having control over the devices they create. As long as Apple’s not buying up all the companies making Android phones and shutting them down one by one (OR forcing them to run iOS), then Apple’s position is solid.
Apple’s success isn’t based on stymieing competition (there are more Android vendors today than there were when the iPhone was launched), it’s based on making things that people, for whatever reason, want to pay money for. Not ALL people, no, but enough people.
A win for Apple for now but a new amended complaint might be coming soon.
What are you talking about!!??, this forum loves Apple, Apple is god in their eyes and thus can never do any wrong.In the same vein, not every lawsuit brought against Apple necessarily means that Apple is in the wrong either, but this forum sure likes to act like it.
Did he get paid? I mean, that’s what it’s all about, him getting paid, right? He sees an opportunity to make money here and is trying for it? It’s a LOT easier than, say, going through the effort to create your own phone and OS, that’s for sure.
The family that has their entire life savings decimated and their financial future ruined due to someone in the family installing an app from a shady source cares little about it being more visible for experts and journalists.
“Sure, mom was talked through reducing the security of her iPhone and installing a malicious app by a guy that says he was with ‘Best Buy’… and now all of our identities have been stolen, our credit ruined and we’ll be evicted by the end of the month, BUT don’t you feel good that the system was more visible for experts and journalists?”
Question, tons of scam apps still end up in the App Store. With allowance for installations from OUTSIDE the App Store, would the amount of scam apps:
1. Increase dramatically
2. Decrease dramatically
3. Stay the same?
Now, consider if you have, as one of your goals, the intent to keep the number of scam apps as low as possible. Not ZERO, that will never happen, but you want, over anything else, for the number of scam apps to be as low as they can.
No? I mean, every developer feels their app is the BEST app. Should Apple recommend EVERY developer’s app on that basis?
I will say though, that App developers have a duty and a responsibility (especially if they want to make money) to make apps so good that people use them, are delighted by them and recommend them to their friends and family. And, they shouldn’t expect that “preferential placement on the App Store” should be the be all and end all of their marketing strategy. Send copies to reviewers and YouTubers, try to create viral content on social media making folks want to try the app.
A developer is dependent on App Store Discovery ONLY if they want to be.
I was talking about the broader argument to allow other options to download apps.
Of all the things I miss from the golden age of untethered jailbreaks I think I miss Barrel, Transparent Dock, and Five Icon Dock the most.
One might point to this as an example of how the US legal system is broken. Imagine if each side got to select the lawyer for the other side? Or if both sides had to submit their available funds to representation and then they were evenly divided.
The headline is wrong. The lawsuit was not dismissed. The complaint was. The lawsuit is ongoing, and the plaintiff has two weeks to file a new complaint.
I'm not even so sure that's the right analogy? I'm pretty libertarian myself, but I think that also includes protecting the right of a company to build a product that's intended only for use within the parameters they create for it?
I've always felt that as a customer, you have the right to tinker with the hardware however you wish. But doing so may well void any warranty or support you were otherwise entitled to with its purchase.
It seems like the Cydia lawsuit here was doomed to failure from the get-go, because it uses false accusations of Apple as a monopoly as its basis. Just because a company does really well and sells a lot of its product doesn't mean it meets any legal definition of a monopoly. Clearly, you can choose other options for phones or even tablets than the ones Apple makes.
But sure, Apple can say, "We don't want anyone offering alternatives to our App Store." and that's valid and legal. Jailbreaking the phone in order to circumvent that should ALSO be valid and legal. But you can't "have the cake and eat it too" of doing that and still using the device the way Apple intended you to use it.