Judge Tosses Out Cryptocurrency Apple Antitrust Lawsuit Filed by Venmo Customers

[Chazak]

I'm going to agree with you, but with a caveat.

Apple should be required to allow normal software installation. Then the cryptoidiots could get their scam apps from any source of their choosing, I could install an open source terminal app from Github, and you could install anything you want too.

It's not Apple's iPhone, it's MY iPhone, and I have the right to install software of my choosing on it, without Apple's interference.

Then Apple can set whatever app store policies they want on their store, they can charge developers 90% if they want, and it won't matter.

Actually, you don't have the right to install whatever you want. You agreed to that when you bought your device and turned it on and set it up. You had the opportunity to not agree with terms and conditions and return the device for a full refund. You can go Android if you wish to have that option.

I am always at a loss to understand why people agree to terms and conditions when they have other options they choose not to avail themselves of. Then they claim they are being ripped off and their rights are being violated.

It amazes me more when it is people in the development community making such claims.

 

[Chazak]

Can you imagine the lawsuits and ambulance chasing lawyers who will pounce on Apple when such apps are installed and are used as vehicles to commit fraud?

 

[Chazak]

wonder what I am paying for if it is "not my property"

You are paying for a license to use the product and software as specified in the T&C. It is not hard to understand. People fail to take the time to learn and understand then they want to sue.

Everyone has options.

 

[dukebound85]

You are paying for a license to use the product and software as specified in the T&C. It is not hard to understand. People fail to take the time to learn and understand then they want to sue.

Everyone has options.

I don't recall having to agree to terms of conditions before buying, I mean leasing an iPhone. Funny how that happens after you buy it isn't it?

 

[Chazak]

I don't recall having to agree to terms of conditions before buying, I mean leasing an iPhone. Funny how that happens after you buy it isn't it?

No, it isn't funny. Within seconds of turning on the phone, you were presented with the T&C. You were given the opportunity to read them and subsequently return the item for a full refund of you found the terms unacceptable. If you chose to click "agree" without having actually read them or understood them, that is 100% on you. If you sign an agreement / contract without reading it or getting advice as to its content means, that is 100% on you too.

Isn't it funny how people want to blame Apple for them not reading the T&C and then claiming Apple pulled a fast one or violated their rights?

 

[dukebound85]

No, it isn't funny. Within seconds of turning on the phone, you were presented with the T&C. You were given the opportunity to read them and subsequently return the item for a full refund of you found the terms unacceptable. If you chose to click "agree" without having actually read them or understood them, that is 100% on you. If you sign an agreement / contract without reading it or getting advice as to its content means, that is 100% on you too.

Isn't it funny how people want to blame Apple for them not reading the T&C and then claiming Apple pulled a fast one or violated their rights?

everything apple does is "right" apparently. keep defending them

 

[leicaman]

So let me get this straight. They sued because Apple doesn't let them use scam-compromised payment systems.

Got it.

 

[Chazak]

everything apple does is "right" apparently. keep defending them

Instead of replying to the facts in my comment, you chose to admonish me for what you labeled "defending" Apple, claiming I said/inferred "everything apple (sic) does is "right" ... . No one said that, least of all me.

Facts my friend. Please point out where what I said is not true.

All of us made a deal. Live with it, go android or if you are in the EU, you can plead with regulators to allow you out of your agreement and they probably will.

 

[BiscottiGelato]

wonder what I am paying for if it is "not my property"

You could ask that of literally every digital product in your life for the last 20ish years now. All TOS’s basically amount to this. It’s bad, and even worse it’s basically boilerplate at this point.

Its standard TOS and these companies are greedy. They are doing what's in their interest. No problem with that.

Craziest part is 'some' consumers going full stockholm syndrome cheering on their mega-trillion dollar overlords, supporting these TOSs. Mind boggling.

 

[BiscottiGelato]

Username checks out. 🤣


I'm pro-crypto myself, but to pretend the crypto-space isn't loaded with scams would just be ignorant. Apple already deals with a tall order, trying to vet apps with malicious intent. Adding crypto to that, in a world where even the wealthy have been fooled as in the case of FTX, is just opening a can of worms.

That said, there's nothing stopping you from going to their respective websites and operating as you would otherwise. If you don't want Apple dictating those terms, go buy an Android phone. And if you don't care about the opinions of others, well... maybe stay off social media and forums.

If you are 'pro-crypto' and you think going to a centralized 3rd party middleman website to facilitate transaction between person A & person B, is anything to do with what Bitcoin was created to begin with... Then you have no business doing in 'crypto', and will likely be scammed by some scam coin.

The whole point is person A using HW & SW that person A controls, and send payment to person B, without any trusted middleman. With the assumption that the HW, SW & infrastructure between person A and person B are either generic Internet infrastructure or uncensorable redundant anonymous miners and nodes, agnostic to specific payments. Well, Apple HW & SW have proven to be anything but an agnostic internet device that a user actually owns and control. They get to pick and choose what you do with your HW. Unfortunate it have became the Big Brother their heroin have smashed in their 1984 Ad

 

[Zest28]

If you are 'pro-crypto' and you think going to a centralized 3rd party middleman website to facilitate transaction between person A & person B, is anything to do with what Bitcoin was created to begin with... Then you have no business doing in 'crypto', and will likely be scammed by some scam coin.

The whole point is person A using HW & SW that person A controls, and send payment to person B, without any trusted middleman. With the assumption that the HW, SW & infrastructure between person A and person B are either generic Internet infrastructure or uncensorable redundant anonymous miners and nodes, agnostic to specific payments. Well, Apple HW & SW have proven to be anything but an agnostic internet device that a user actually owns and control. They get to pick and choose what you do with your HW. Unfortunate it have became the Big Brother their heroin have smashed in their 1984 Ad

Still doesn’t protect you from market manipulations by these crypto bro’s who pump and dump altcoins and then cash them out while investors are stuck with near worthless token which will never recover in value.

 

[BiscottiGelato]

Still doesn’t protect you from market manipulations by these crypto bro’s who pump and dump altcoins and then cash them out while investors are stuck with near worthless token which will never recover in value.

Don't have altcoins. Not sure how pumps and dumps affect anyone that is in Bitcoin for the Bitcoin. Not for a trade back to fiat where the US government will have to print to infinity to fund their enormous government debt. A lot of us have been screaming 'Bitcoin only and everything else is scam' for YEARS. But we were ridiculed by the crypto bros in bull market, and ridiculed by fiat brains in the bear. We are doing more than fine compared to either camps tho. Thanks for asking.

I have to admit Bitcoin doesn't protect anyone from Apple in dictating what the device they have purchased in full does. Apparent neither are fellow Apple consumers any good for standing up against Apple to fight for the rights to their own devices tho. Irony.

 

[m4mario]

Eventually things will go full circle and the argument will be made that competition is against competition and legislations will be made against competition in order to protect competition.

This is the smartest thing I've read all year so far!

 

[Mousse]

The judge overseeing the case called it "speculative" and said it "suffers from several fatal problems." The plaintiffs have been given 21 days to submit an amended complaint, but the judge does not believe the case can be saved.

I agree with the judge.💯 The basis of the plaintiff's argument is pure 🐂💩. Not even Willy "Wordsmith" Shakespeare could write a convincing argument in its favor.