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Then it appears the amount of judgment does matter.

I don't think you quite get the point there. I personally do not think the amount of the judgement matters as they were both found guilty. I don't think I would have ever gotten to point where I would have said that the judgement amount doesn't matter just as what Hitler did is the same as what Joe Bloggs did because they were both killers.

Truth be told, I don't think Joe Bloggs is going down in history like Hilter has. The fact that you cannot see how incredibly inane and short-sighted this analogy is makes me wonder. It is not too often (never) where you can find a reference to Hitler and Joe Bloggs when discussing right or wrong in technology suits.
 
I don't think you quite get the point there. I personally do not think the amount of the judgement matters as they were both found guilty. I don't think I would have ever gotten to point where I would have said that the judgement amount doesn't matter just as what Hitler did is the same as what Joe Bloggs did because they were both killers.

Truth be told, I don't think Joe Bloggs is going down in history like Hilter has. The fact that you cannot see how incredibly inane and short-sighted this analogy is makes me wonder. It is not too often (never) where you can find a reference to Hitler and Joe Bloggs when discussing right or wrong in technology suits.

Thanks for that reply. It was pretty perfect and similar to what I would have posted had I desired to engage with that poster any further in this thread.
 
Yeah but it cuts both ways. Then asking Apple to do a bigger phone is equally irrelevant because they'd know if there was a demand for something like that more than we do.


I'd say that the 100 million or so phablets sold to date is a pretty obvious indicator for demand for big screened phones.
 
What changed between the 5 and 5C? Let's see slightly better better front facing camera. But Samsung doesn't have a patent or license for that. Slightly bigger battery, also Samsung has no patent or licensing for bigger batteries. ...

You missed the point. What changed was the model name/number.

Each trial is for a specific set of device models. In this case, Samsung had filed against the iPhone 4, 4S and 5. (The 5C hadn't come out yet.)

The iPhone models included in the trial were found to infringe Samsung's patent, therefore Apple has to pay fines and future royalties on both old and new USA sales of those models.

However, instead of selling the iPhone 5 as the second line model like they usually do, Apple dropped it and created the 5C... which is able to escape the fines and royalties for now.

(All of this goes for Samsung models as well.)

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I'd say that the 100 million or so phablets sold to date is a pretty obvious indicator for demand for big screened phones.

Not to mention that 40% of smartphones currently sold in China have 5" or larger screens.

No doubt that market would be a primary target of an Apple 5.5" model.
 
Of course it doesn't matter, you are right! You know, Hitler and Joe Bloggs (a guy who killed a guy in an armed robbery) are both equally guilty of crime! Genius!! ;)
What a way to compare stuff, really great choice. And way wrong at that!! One actually did the deed, the other one had it done!!!
 
Of course it doesn't matter, you are right! You know, Hitler and Joe Bloggs (a guy who killed a guy in an armed robbery) are both equally guilty of crime! Genius!! ;)

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You had anything to say? Btw, I wasn't comparing your beloved Samsung to Hitler, just making a point that amount of judgment and guild does matter.
Just like beeing a little bit pregnant in my eyes! Crook is crook, the amount is secondary. So your beloved APPLE is (also) a CROOK!! And it has been proven here over and over again. Maybe if you tally up the amounts, APPLE actually might beat SAMSUNG!! Wasn't there something about at least 300 some odd million against APPLE in one case alone? Would be interesting to tally the sums and see who comes out "ahead"!! :)
 
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Knowing Samsung is convicted copycat again is a win.

And so is Apple! It is now official, as they have been properly convicted for ripping off other's work, too!

They should polish their rounded corners a bit more next time... :cool:
 
And so is Apple! It is now official, as they have been properly convicted for ripping off other's work, too!

They should polish their rounded corners a bit more next time... :cool:

They have been "convicted" several times before this as well. And they will probably be paying again in the future for some other violations.

I don't really care to blame or defend any company out there, but that's just the way it works. If you have a great product on your hands, you aren't going to let some puny patent issues stand between you and the mountains of money that eagerly await your taking.

It's like that old saying: It's easier to ask forgiveness than to seek permission. Or something like that.
 
More proof that that it's silly to claim microphone copying.

There are many types of microphones. Here's just a few I could find quickly:

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I think Samsung was doing a modern take on the first one. Apple and Google used the second.

But you bring up one problem with icons using old technology. After a while, many people have no longer ever seen the originals.

E.g. Not many desktop phones look like the icons used these days for Send/Answer. CDs are disappearing. Heck, think how many computers still use a floppy disk icon for "Save File"!

still common on the web to use a floppy for saving. :D
 
Its not about the money as Tim Cook said.

Knowing Samsung is convicted copycat again is a win.
Apple too. The amount of up votes on your post though reminds me that I'm on an Mac-centric site.

You had anything to say? Btw, I wasn't comparing your beloved Samsung with Hitler, just making a point that amount of judgment and guild does matter.

Jesus. This really doesn't register with you, does it? I don't give 7 ****s if you bash Apple or Samsung but you most certainly did compare Hitler and Bloggs to Apple and Samsung….of course comparing Hilter to Bloggs was incredible in it of itself.

It is cool if you don't get it. There are things I do not understand in life either. Like organic chemistry, advanced programing, and One Direction.
 
Sorry, but I like the "plastic" (Sort of tired of hearing this meme)!! First of it is lighter than the glass and much more important, it can take a lot more. You drop your IPHONE and I am sure that the case is broken, right? I am on my second SAMSUNG and very happy with the light "plastic". For instance, when I need to get at the exchangable battery or RAM-slot the "plastic" cover comes off rather easely. Ups, guess that is nothing to worry about on a IPHONE. ;-)

The APPLE microphone is old school, SAMSUNG choose a modern mike. That is the way I see it anyway! And you obviously also see that there is a difference, no matter what someone else here proposed!

Whoa! No one said there was anything wrong with a plastic phone. I'm just stating that Samsung did not innovate a smart phone. They found a method to compete by price point, not technology and engineering.

Both phones will break if dropped. My friend has the S3 and the screen cracked. That's not the responsibility of the manufacturer. That's why cases are recommended and also, your own personal care of the device.
 
I don't think you quite get the point there. I personally do not think the amount of the judgement matters as they were both found guilty.

It probably does matter, at least to the courts. The punishment fits the crime so to speak. It can tell you things like willful intent. You can't say being guilty is the same thing when comparing a speeding ticket and a murder conviction. We don't put people to death for speeding tickets.
 
It probably does matter, at least to the courts. The punishment fits the crime so to speak. It can tell you things like willful intent. You can't say being guilty is the same thing when comparing a speeding ticket and a murder conviction. We don't put people to death for speeding tickets.

Bad analogy - both companies were found guilty of the same crime.
 
When controversial patents like some of these come up I ask myself this: If this feature was available as a paid addon, would I pay for it and how much? In this case I would as I see value in it's offering.

I would never pay anywhere close to $120 million for a half dozen regular expressions... which is all we're talking about Google doing... much less believe that any of us should owe Apple anything simply for writing such commonplace code!

It's high level and a bit vague, but it's better than most spec sheets I receive.

It's way too high level and vague for a patent. I think that a jury made up of programmers would've quickly checked off the "patent is invalid" box.

If you focus on the pieces and not the package it's easy to see prior art in a lot of things. In 1996 Netscape had been out for less than 2 years. The idea of having a GUI based email client link contact info in an email I received to other applications on my computer was bleeding edge at the time. I don't remember having any apps that did this at that time.

This is where my extra ten years comes in handy :)

Recognizing data like phone numbers was a popular thing to do in DB programs from at least the 80s. Windows CardFile did it in like 1987. Lotus Agenda did it in 1992.

Ironically, a few years before Apple's 647 patent was filed in 1996, one of Apple's own programmers had patented a similar idea ... which was promptly forgotten... and that almost caused the newer one to be invalidated because of prior art!

Which once again points out the problem with most software patents: developers all over the world constantly independently invent the same solutions, and have no way to check millions of patents for infringement.

Unfortunately independent development is not an infringement defense in the US. Apple got bit by this not long ago with that VirnetX verdict, where Apple owes at least $368 million, all because they accidentally tread on a patent.

It probably does matter, at least to the courts. The punishment fits the crime so to speak. It can tell you things like willful intent. You can't say being guilty is the same thing when comparing a speeding ticket and a murder conviction. We don't put people to death for speeding tickets.

We don't put people to death for willful patent infringement either :)

More to the point, it's not up to a jury to decide on willful infringement award amount. All they can say is if they thought it was willful or not. Then it's up to the judge to decide 1) if it really was willful, and 2) the amount to add on.

(If you recall, in the last trial, Judge Koh refused to tack on willful damages, on the basis that any reasonable person would've thought Apple's patents could be invalid. Some kneejerk readers mistook that to mean a company could say they thought a patent was invalid, but they were wrong: it's up to the judge alone.)
 
I would never pay anywhere close to $120 million for a half dozen regular expressions... which is all we're talking about Google doing... much less believe that any of us should owe Apple anything simply for writing such commonplace code!
$120m was the full payout for all patents on all infringing devices. I haven't checked the jury form but if ~40m devices infringed that's only $3/device for 5 patents, meaning linking is ~$1/device. Not having to copy/paste data from app to app is worth that.

It's way too high level and vague for a patent. I think that a jury made up of programmers would've quickly checked off the "patent is invalid" box.
We developers are a bias bunch. I know I have particular opinions on a lot of things for no real reason other than personal idiosyncrasies so I doubt a jury of coders could render an impartial verdict.

This is where my extra ten years comes in handy :)

Recognizing data like phone numbers was a popular thing to do in DB programs from at least the 80s. Windows CardFile did it in like 1987. Lotus Agenda did it in 1992.
What did those apps do when you clicked the linked phone number? I doubt they jumped between apps (being what Windows 1/2?), and I doubt their implementation was an OS API or as featured as either 647' and Linkify. It would contain components of those patents, search/replace on some data likely specific not broad like an API, making the use case and implementation quite different. You're caught in the trees! :)
 
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Samsung plans to sue Dyson

Its something Apple is doing to protect its own products. I think Samsung has a long history of copying other products ( Dyson comes to mind recently )

Wrong again..

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/17/samsung-dyson-vacuum-cleaner-patent-copyright

Samsung Electronics has filed a lawsuit demanding 10bn Korean won (£5.6m) in compensation from the British appliance maker Dyson because it claims it was depicted as a copycat.

The lawsuit, filed last week in the Seoul district court in Korea, were filed against Dyson because its “previous litigation has hurt Samsung’s corporate image”, the company told the Korea Times.

The move follows the decision by Dyson in October 2013 to drop a patent infringement case that it brought against Samsung in August, in which it claimed that the Korean giant had copied the steering system used in its Motion Sync cleaner from the Dyson DC37 and DC39 cleaners, which had then been on sale for two years.
 
Wrong again..

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/17/samsung-dyson-vacuum-cleaner-patent-copyright

Samsung Electronics has filed a lawsuit demanding 10bn Korean won (£5.6m) in compensation from the British appliance maker Dyson because it claims it was depicted as a copycat.

The lawsuit, filed last week in the Seoul district court in Korea, were filed against Dyson because its “previous litigation has hurt Samsung’s corporate image”, the company told the Korea Times.

The move follows the decision by Dyson in October 2013 to drop a patent infringement case that it brought against Samsung in August, in which it claimed that the Korean giant had copied the steering system used in its Motion Sync cleaner from the Dyson DC37 and DC39 cleaners, which had then been on sale for two years.

He wasn't wrong. There was a case that Dyson actually won against Samsung for a different patent.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/02/13/dysontechnology-idUSLD64172920090213
 
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