Just gifted G3 + Sonnet Encore

[bunnspecial]

Feel free to mention any Intel macs being that we usually talk about those here as well. We're much nicer than the people in the Intel section that will tell you to upgrade the second they hear about your problem.

I was incredibly irritated on the Macbook Pro forum a few months back when I bought an early '08 15"(the last pre-unibody model). This is still an incredibly capable computer-I actually have two now, and the better of the two screams with an SSD in it. In any case, these models have known GPU problems and I was asking about reasonable temperatures to prevent GPU issues. I posted my temps, and someone asked if the post was even serious because my temps were "ridiculously low." Finally, someone who knew what they were talking about came along and as it turned out my GPU temperatures were flirting with "danger zone" although were running 3-5ºC below where problems are know to start to happening. Along the way, I was asked why I was even worrying about a 7 year old laptop.

All that said, I did just(yesterday) buy a mid-2012 15" with a hi-res Matte Screen. It put a BIG dent in my budget(especially after the watch I bought on Tuesday) but has been a machine I've wanted for a while as the last and best of the classic MBP. This particular one has a 16gb of RAM, a new battery(replaced under warranty) and is still under Applecare until January.

One last thing, too, of all the Intel forums I find the Mac Pro forum to be probably the most welcoming and informative. At least the "Classic" MP folks go to great lengths to keep their systems going and current. I actually see a lot of the same sort of passion and enthusiasm there as I see on the PPC forum. I was advised to run away from a 32-bit EFI machine I was considering(esp. for the price), but there are very solid reasons for doing that.

 

[jruschme]

Also, if you don't mind me asking, are you in the tri-state area? I don't know anyone else on here that's in the tri-state besides iModFrenzy and I, lol.

I am also from the trip-state area (why can't I think that without hearing Dr. Doofenshmertz from Fineas and Ferb?)... down in Ocean County, NJ.

 

[jruschme]

Feel free to mention any Intel macs being that we usually talk about those here as well. We're much nicer than the people in the Intel section that will tell you to upgrade the second they hear about your problem.

They would have really loved the system I was working on the other day!

I had taken on the task of "updating" the disused MacBook of a co-worker's son. It turned out to be a mid-2007 MacBook in a 1/80 config running Tiger. It surprised me a bit... I had never actually seen Tiger for Intel personally. For the record, I ended up upgrading it to a 4/160 config and a clean install of Lion (last supported version due to GMA 950 graphics).

 

[MagicBoy]

All that said, I did just(yesterday) buy a mid-2012 15" with a hi-res Matte Screen. It put a BIG dent in my budget(especially after the watch I bought on Tuesday) but has been a machine I've wanted for a while as the last and best of the classic MBP. This particular one has a 16gb of RAM, a new battery(replaced under warranty) and is still under Applecare until January.

That's a good buy in that spec.

 

[bunnspecial]

That's a good buy in that spec.

I almost feel guilty posting about it on here, since it is a very new Intel by our standards.

The classic Unibody MBPs(that seems so strange to call a 7 year old design classic) do have an important feature that the Retina machines lack-user serviceability.

 

[bunnspecial]

They would have really loved the system I was working on the other day!

I had taken on the task of "updating" the disused MacBook of a co-worker's son. It turned out to be a mid-2007 MacBook in a 1/80 config running Tiger. It surprised me a bit... I had never actually seen Tiger for Intel personally. For the record, I ended up upgrading it to a 4/160 config and a clean install of Lion (last supported version due to GMA 950 graphics).

I have two or three Intel Macs that can run Tiger(I think my CoreDuo Mini and my polycarbonate iMac will). The "issue" is that the retail client disks you see are PPC only. Aside from 10.4.8 Server, which is universal, the only Intel Tiger disks available are the system specific "gray" disks. If I could track those down for the computers I have, I'd likely put Tiger on them just for the heck of it.

BTW, people have made Yosemite run on the GMA950, although I'm not sure it would exactly be a pleasant experience. I'd love to upgrade my Blackbook to Mavericks(which I much prefer to Yosemite), but again the GMA950 gets in the way. As far as I know, about the only Intel Macs that can't be made to run it are the CoreSolo and CoreDuo ones.

BTW, both my Blackbook(late 2007) and my Whitebook(mid-2009) have SSDs in them, and they fly. The Blackbook with Lion does especially. The Mid-2009 Macbooks do officially support Yosemite, and mine is my Yosemite "test bed."

 

[MagicBoy]

I have two or three Intel Macs that can run Tiger(I think my CoreDuo Mini and my polycarbonate iMac will). The "issue" is that the retail client disks you see are PPC only. Aside from 10.4.8 Server, which is universal, the only Intel Tiger disks available are the system specific "gray" disks. If I could track those down for the computers I have, I'd likely put Tiger on them just for the heck of it.

I've got a set somewhere for a MacBook Pro 1,1 I think if they're any use.

 

[JessH]

I've always been fascinated by SGI machines. We have several around the department, and they are still used pretty much daily to do protein modeling. Most of them are MIPS Octane-series computers.

BTW, that's not a NeXt sitting on the shelf next to the Cube, is it?

We do a lot of biotech research and DNA sequencing in the incubator here, so I figure that's what the Octane was used for. Protein modeling was always such a great way to show off hardware, even though I know none of the science.

And yes it is a NeXt, not a turbo color, but it does work!

I had taken on the task of "updating" the disused MacBook of a co-worker's son. It turned out to be a mid-2007 MacBook in a 1/80 config running Tiger. It surprised me a bit...

I had no idea you could run anything pre-SL on Intel. You may have opened a huge door for me!

I have two or three Intel Macs that can run Tiger(I think my CoreDuo Mini and my polycarbonate iMac will). The "issue" is that the retail client disks you see are PPC only. Aside from 10.4.8 Server, which is universal, the only Intel Tiger disks available are the system specific "gray" disks. If I could track those down for the computers I have, I'd likely put Tiger on them just for the heck of it."

Have you had any success with directly cloning drives, or cloning them with DD over firewire or something? Are you against unsafe torrent files?

 

[bunnspecial]

We do a lot of biotech research and DNA sequencing in the incubator here, so I figure that's what the Octane was used for. Protein modeling was always such a great way to show off hardware, even though I know none of the science.

And yes it is a NeXt, not a turbo color, but it does work!

I work in a Chemistry department, and the SGI systems still get pretty heavy use. Of course, the software that they have on them costs a small fortune, so I understand the reluctance of PIs to get rid of them.

I had no idea you could run anything pre-SL on Intel. You may have opened a huge door for me!

Have you had any success with directly cloning drives, or cloning them with DD over firewire or something? Are you against unsafe torrent files?

Leopard actually was released post-transition(November 2007), and the Intel transition happened while Tiger was still current(2005-2007 for Tiger).

You can't clone a Tiger install across architectures, because the code isn't present(unless you're cloning Tiger Server from the Universal install).

On the other hand, all Leopard disks-even gray disks(which are all for Intel systems, since Apple was no longer making PPC when Leopard came out)-are universal. I have a retail Leopard disk, but just for kicks I ran the Leopard restore disks on my Blackbook and then cloned it to a PPC system. I also did the reverse-I cloned a 10.5.8 install onto my Blackbook.

The caveat is that PPC Macs all use APM-formatted drives, while Intel Macs use GUID by default(although many early Intel Macs will boot off APM drives). Thus, if you're using CCC to clone, it will throw up a bunch of errors when you try to do so.

We don't discuss Torrents on this site generally, or at least not for copyright software.

 

[eyoungren]

I had no idea you could run anything pre-SL on Intel.

Tiger was the OS in current release when the new Intel Macs were announced in 2006. It was the current release when the first ones shipped. Leopard did not come around until late 2007. Although I believe Leopard was the first and only universal OS released to retail.

 

[JessH]

You can't clone a Tiger install across architectures, because the code isn't present(unless you're cloning Tiger Server from the Universal install).

Ah yes, of course. I just figured you somehow already had a Intel box with Tiger on it.

We don't discuss Torrents on this site generally, or at least not for copyright software.

I hear you, forgot this is a public forum! No worries on that.

Tiger was the OS in current release when the new Intel Macs were announced in 2006. It was the current release when the first ones shipped. Leopard did not come around until late 2007. Although I believe Leopard was the first and only universal OS released to retail.

Is there any chance I could run Tiger on a machine too new? Like, say, how I cloned Snow Leopard to my Unibody MBP that shipped with Lion, because the hardware did support it.

On my 2006 MacBook Pro with a C2D, is this possible? Is there somewhere I could find a quick guide on whether Tiger supports Core Duo or C2D.

Thanks guys!

 

[Gamer9430]

I am also from the trip-state area (why can't I think that without hearing Dr. Doofenshmertz from Fineas and Ferb?)... down in Ocean County, NJ.

Lol I was thinking the same thing when I was typing it. I don't see your name often in here so I wouldn't know. I'm in Central NJ

 

[bunnspecial]

Ah yes, of course. I just figured you somehow already had a Intel box with Tiger on it.

Unfortunately, I don't. I have a couple that are capable of running it, but as I said I need the gray disks to make it happen. I do have a bunch of PPC Macs with it, although I run Leopard on any hardware that I can make support it. I'm currently trying to get it on an 8600-it's just been lack of time slowing me down.

Is there any chance I could run Tiger on a machine too new? Like, say, how I cloned Snow Leopard to my Unibody MBP that shipped with Lion, because the hardware did support it.

On my 2006 MacBook Pro with a C2D, is this possible? Is there somewhere I could find a quick guide on whether Tiger supports Core Duo or C2D.

Thanks guys!

A 2006 MBP will run Tiger fine, as that's what it shipped with. As mentioned, you will need the correct gray disk, or to clone a 10.4.11 install off another Intel, but it will work. Basically anything up to mid 2007 will run Tiger.

SL on the late '11 MBPs is something of a special case, as other than a slight speed bump they are effectively identical to the early '11 MBPs. I've been tempted to partition and install SL on my late '11 MBP(my first Mac). Of course, if you go this route you should go straight to 10.6.8, as I don't know what the earliest version of SL that will support this hardware is(they came late in the SL release cycle). I don't think it will work on the mid-2012 models, as they add USB 3 and I think have some other internal changes.

 

[Gamer9430]

Actually, I'd beg to differ on the part about restore disks. I borrowed my Uncle's MacBook Pro restore disks that were from leopard to grab iLife off of them, and the disks were not universal. The were Intel only I had to go into the installer files and extract the apps and files from them and put them in the correct places. The apps were universal, but the installers were not.

 

[Gamer9430]

Unfortunately, I don't. I have a couple that are capable of running it, but as I said I need the gray disks to make it happen. I do have a bunch of PPC Macs with it, although I run Leopard on any hardware that I can make support it. I'm currently trying to get it on an 8600-it's just been lack of time slowing me down.



A 2006 MBP will run Tiger fine, as that's what it shipped with. As mentioned, you will need the correct gray disk, or to clone a 10.4.11 install off another Intel, but it will work. Basically anything up to mid 2007 will run Tiger.

SL on the late '11 MBPs is something of a special case, as other than a slight speed bump they are effectively identical to the early '11 MBPs. I've been tempted to partition and install SL on my late '11 MBP(my first Mac). Of course, if you go this route you should go straight to 10.6.8, as I don't know what the earliest version of SL that will support this hardware is(they came late in the SL release cycle). I don't think it will work on the mid-2012 models, as they add USB 3 and I think have some other internal changes.

Wow, a lot of people got the late 2011 MacBook Pro as their first Mac. I did, Keaton did, iModFrenzy did, Tevion5 did, and KeremTezcan did as well.

 

[bunnspecial]

Actually, I'd beg to differ on the part about restore disks. I borrowed my Uncle's MacBook Pro restore disks that were from leopard to grab iLife off of them, and the disks were not universal. The were Intel only I had to go into the installer files and extract the apps and files from them and put them in the correct places. The apps were universal, but the installers were not.

Correct-the installer is not universal, but install of Leopard itself is.

As I said, if you run the restore disk on the correct Mac and clone it to a PPC Mac, it will work 100% fine.

 

[jruschme]

Lol I was thinking the same thing when I was typing it. I don't see your name often in here so I wouldn't know. I'm in Central NJ

I tend to lurk a lot (only something like 160 posts total). Still use my G4s somewhat, though my main focus has been a pair of Mid-2009 MBPs (17" and 13") from $WORK.

 

[JessH]

SL on the late '11 MBPs is something of a special case, as other than a slight speed bump they are effectively identical to the early '11 MBPs. I've been tempted to partition and install SL on my late '11 MBP(my first Mac). Of course, if you go this route you should go straight to 10.6.8, as I don't know what the earliest version of SL that will support this hardware is(they came late in the SL release cycle). I don't think it will work on the mid-2012 models, as they add USB 3 and I think have some other internal changes.

When I did it with my 2011, I had a disc with 10.6.6-maybe7? And I was able to install right off the disc. I didn't even have any problems with incorrect information showing up in the system profiler. Then I jumped to 10.6.8, even more stability. Man, it's FAST.

And for you guys in the tri-state, I know I am knew here but eventually when I get some pictures up and prove to you I'm not a creep, I would be happy to exchange stuff if at any point we find we would want to.

 

[eyoungren]

Just a general mention since the specific answer of installing Tiger on older MBPs has been answered.

You can't install a version of OS X on any Mac that is older than the version that Mac originally shipped with. This applies to both PowerPC and Intel Macs. Not new information to most of us here, but I repeat it since the topic was brought up.

 

[JessH]

I am not sure why you are saying this.

Is it for some kind of disclaimer or something? It's the kind of answer people reply when someone posts a quesstion like this on the Apple support site.

My 2011 Shipped with Lion and I put 10.6.6 on it without an issue. In fact, quite a few threads on MacRumors showed me how to do it successfully.

 

[bunnspecial]

You can't install a version of OS X on any Mac that is older than the version that Mac originally shipped with. This applies to both PowerPC and Intel Macs. Not new information to most of us here, but I repeat it since the topic was brought up.

This is generally true, but there are a few very specific exceptions.

The Late 2011 MBP is one of them-as said, it shipped with Lion(a whole bunch of us can attest to that) but is "close enough" to the early 2011(shipped with SL originally) that SL will run on a late 2011.

The early and late 2011s differ only in processor speed.

Offhand, that's the only one I know of, but I know of a LOT of people who have done so.

When I did it with my 2011, I had a disc with 10.6.6-maybe7

I'm a little bit curious about your 10.6/6/10.6.7 disk, as the last retail release was 10.6.3. In fact, I ordered two copies of SL(server and client) about 3 months back directly from Apple, and both were 10.6.3.

I'm not doubting you on them, just wondering the disk came from.

 

[JessH]

No worries, I did it so long ago. I thought it was a retail disc, but if they stopped at 10.6.3 then it must have been a dirty disc. Sorry to keep mentioning the dirty stuff, figured I'd tell the truth rather than have you keep questioning how I did it.

 

[MagicBoy]

When I did it with my 2011, I had a disc with 10.6.6-maybe7?

I borrowed the restore media from an Early-2011 we had in at work which shipped with 10.6.6. Worked fine on my late-2011, then updated to 10.6.8.

 

[128keaton]

They would have really loved the system I was working on the other day!

I had taken on the task of "updating" the disused MacBook of a co-worker's son. It turned out to be a mid-2007 MacBook in a 1/80 config running Tiger. It surprised me a bit... I had never actually seen Tiger for Intel personally. For the record, I ended up upgrading it to a 4/160 config and a clean install of Lion (last supported version due to GMA 950 graphics).

Those 2007s can be very nice. I have two that I maxed the RAM on, just for kicks (and it was so cheap). I have Mavericks hacked on one (not very well) and Lion on the other.