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Actually, when I piss customers off, my boss is usually right there backing me up. I have no qualms with certain people never coming back, or telling all of their friends never to shop at my store. Case in point, a woman buys an old P2, used, for $150 with monitor. She loves it, takes it home, then calls for the next two days because we didn't include Office. I think it goes without saying how unreasonable it is to expect a product worth $300-700 with a $150 purchase. So, she calls and says she's bringing it back. no one ever said we'd take it, she just declared she'd bring it back. I volunteered to deal with it, as I enjoy difficult customers. she came in, and claimed it was no good. She said it worked fine, that I never told her it had Office in there, but rather, that she had made an assumption. She said I should have told her about such a thing. I replied that if I was obligated to tell her everything the computer had in it, I would be waxing poetic for an hour about the motherboard. Now, if I was further obliged to tell her everything the computer DIDN'T have, I'd be there all day. I kept refusing to take it back, as she had been told that with this computer, there was a 10 day warranty, exchange only. The machine wasn't defective. She then tried to appeal to my morality. I'm a law student, and an awfully cynical one at that, so that didn't fly. She then threatened legal action, to which I very nearly burst out laughing. I told her to do what she had to do. She left the machine in the store and left. So, we put it aside for 30 days, then sold it.

In general, where a customer has a mistaken belief, I just correct them nicely. Where they are outright wrong, I also correct them in as nice a manner as possible. However, if he's rude to me, I can be just as rude. My boss supports this. I'm not obligated to take flak from people because they feel like dishing it. You want to spend $5000 and be a prick, that's fine. If you want to be a prick and spend nothing, then get the hell out. Where a customer expects me to bend over backwards for them, and is nothing but rude, then they can sod off. Customers in general feel comfortable coming into my store because all of the employees are very casual. We're not some big box store where everyone dresses the same and has to follow certain policies. We dress fairly nicely, and talk like regular people. In my experience, you can gauge how good the service is at a store by how likely they are to send you elsewhere for a product, even if they can obtain it. When i've been chatting with a customer for a while, and he's been quite congenial and polite, I don't mind telling him where to get some stuff for cheaper than I have it. They love that, and they come back.

It as actually my boss who first told me that the customers at this store think they know everything, and so i'd be responsible for dealing with these mistaken notions as much as possible, and selling them what they really want. It sounds odd, but it's true. If a customer can't even give me a starting point on what they want, then I can't help them. I've had a woman say she wants a new computer, but knows nothing, other than that she wants a new computer. Even basic questions like "Laptop or desktop?", and "PC or Mac?" garnered no answer. At that point, I can't help. I'm not going to sell you the most expensive I have, as a Future Shop or Best Buy might. I'll get you what you want, not what I can dupe you into buying. I'm good at my job, and though I'm rude to some people, and even while polite, I can anger a number of customers. However, if this filters out customers with ridiculous expectations, then it's better for us. Moreover, we're the only computer store on a large campus, so the majority of those who claim they'll never come back do anyway, because they're too lazy to venture off campus.
 
TLRedhawke said:
Actually, when I piss customers off, my boss is usually right there backing me up. I have no qualms with certain people never coming back, or telling all of their friends never to shop at my store. Case in point, a woman buys an old P2, used, for $150 with monitor. She loves it, takes it home, then calls for the next two days because we didn't include Office. I think it goes without saying how unreasonable it is to expect a product worth $300-700 with a $150 purchase. So, she calls and says she's bringing it back. no one ever said we'd take it, she just declared she'd bring it back. I volunteered to deal with it, as I enjoy difficult customers. she came in, and claimed it was no good. She said it worked fine, that I never told her it had Office in there, but rather, that she had made an assumption. She said I should have told her about such a thing. I replied that if I was obligated to tell her everything the computer had in it, I would be waxing poetic for an hour about the motherboard. Now, if I was further obliged to tell her everything the computer DIDN'T have, I'd be there all day. I kept refusing to take it back, as she had been told that with this computer, there was a 10 day warranty, exchange only. The machine wasn't defective. She then tried to appeal to my morality. I'm a law student, and an awfully cynical one at that, so that didn't fly. She then threatened legal action, to which I very nearly burst out laughing. I told her to do what she had to do. She left the machine in the store and left. So, we put it aside for 30 days, then sold it.

In general, where a customer has a mistaken belief, I just correct them nicely. Where they are outright wrong, I also correct them in as nice a manner as possible. However, if he's rude to me, I can be just as rude. My boss supports this. I'm not obligated to take flak from people because they feel like dishing it. You want to spend $5000 and be a prick, that's fine. If you want to be a prick and spend nothing, then get the hell out. Where a customer expects me to bend over backwards for them, and is nothing but rude, then they can sod off. Customers in general feel comfortable coming into my store because all of the employees are very casual. We're not some big box store where everyone dresses the same and has to follow certain policies. We dress fairly nicely, and talk like regular people. In my experience, you can gauge how good the service is at a store by how likely they are to send you elsewhere for a product, even if they can obtain it. When i've been chatting with a customer for a while, and he's been quite congenial and polite, I don't mind telling him where to get some stuff for cheaper than I have it. They love that, and they come back.

It as actually my boss who first told me that the customers at this store think they know everything, and so i'd be responsible for dealing with these mistaken notions as much as possible, and selling them what they really want. It sounds odd, but it's true. If a customer can't even give me a starting point on what they want, then I can't help them. I've had a woman say she wants a new computer, but knows nothing, other than that she wants a new computer. Even basic questions like "Laptop or desktop?", and "PC or Mac?" garnered no answer. At that point, I can't help. I'm not going to sell you the most expensive I have, as a Future Shop or Best Buy might. I'll get you what you want, not what I can dupe you into buying. I'm good at my job, and though I'm rude to some people, and even while polite, I can anger a number of customers. However, if this filters out customers with ridiculous expectations, then it's better for us. Moreover, we're the only computer store on a large campus, so the majority of those who claim they'll never come back do anyway, because they're too lazy to venture off campus.

You are such a dick :rolleyes:
 
mrwonkers said:
:rolleyes: I also work in retail and think it is unreasonable that sales people would adopt an attitude like yours. Especially with customers who are spending their hard earned dollars supporting the products you sell.
I feel pity for the poor customer who has to deal with you.
If I where faced with the choice of purchasing from you I know I would definately go elsewhere.......WAKE UP.. :eek: ..You are in customer service not wonderland Alice.........

So, in short, I'm supposed to just smile and perform whatever unreasonable task they feel I'm supposed to perform? If that's your idea of how someone in customer service should operate, then I think you and I are in different businesses. The intelligent customers, as in the ones who come in and know what they're talking about, rather love my style. I make honest suggestions, and can help them out when they're nice. They don't say "My computer's broken" and expect me to know why. I'll often make suggestions, even though it isn't my job to give such advice for free, but I can't pinpoint anything.

If you're taking offence to the passage you quoted, then I can only presume you're employed at a big box store where the employees are clueless, but polite. I don't need hellos and thank yous if it doesn't help me find what I want. I especially don't need questions about what processor I'm running when I've asked for a specific part. I know what I want, and want you to sell it to me, not help me determine if it's what I really do want. If someone asks me for something to perform a task, I can make suggestions. If someone asks me about Macs, I can cite prices by rote, and exact specs. Moreover, I can make suggestions based on requirements. I only have as much respect for the customer as he has for me. If he's going to be a prick and complain about return policies, or some such, then why be nice? I'm not a doormat. I'll bend over backwards if you're nice, but I won't move an inch if you're rude.
 
look, the powerbook came with a corrupt copy of the OS big f**king deal it's an easy quick fix, you don't have to go whining to apple about it ti takes half an hour to fix tops.

what's with the angst about it it's a tiny problem thats easily fixed

if you don't know how to fix a simple problem don't reply to a thread telling people to send there mac into apple when it is not needed at all.
 
TLRedhawke said:
I'm under an obligation to deal with customers, but that by no means indicates that they are somehow inherently right. They just like to think they are. The greatest joy involved in my job is snapping customers out of that mode of thought in as harsh a manner allowable.

That's a shame... Thank god I spend ridiculous amounts of money not only training my employees, but making sure they are happy & stick around... Seen to many bitter people like you bring an otherwise solid business down... I'm not selling products- I'm selling myself & my employees are an extension of me... You would definitely not survive in our company...
 
mrwonkers said:
:rolleyes: I also work in retail and think it is unreasonable that sales people would adopt an attitude like yours. Especially with customers who are spending their hard earned dollars supporting the products you sell.
I feel pity for the poor customer who has to deal with you.
If I where faced with the choice of purchasing from you I know I would definately go elsewhere.......WAKE UP.. :eek: ..You are in customer service not wonderland Alice.........

I disagree, his time is his money, why do people think they can get something for free if they ask over a phone. My response would be the same as his. Customers are the ones who should wake up, you don't get nothing for free anymore.
 
jemeinc said:
That's a shame... Thank god I spend ridiculous amounts of money not only training my employees, but making sure they are happy & stick around... Seen to many bitter people like you bring an otherwise solid business down... I'm not selling products- I'm selling myself & my employees are an extension of me... You would definitely not survive in our company...

Sometimes however, people need a little dose, makes them realise things they might not admit to themselves.

However, I can partially agree when talking in a business sense.
 
TLRedhawke said:
Actually, when I piss customers off, my boss is usually right there backing me up. I have no qualms with certain people never coming back, or telling all of their friends never to shop at my store. Case in point, a woman buys an old P2, used, for $150 with monitor. She loves it, takes it home, then calls for the next two days because we didn't include Office. I think it goes without saying how unreasonable it is to expect a product worth $300-700 with a $150 purchase. So, she calls and says she's bringing it back. no one ever said we'd take it, she just declared she'd bring it back. I volunteered to deal with it, as I enjoy difficult customers. she came in, and claimed it was no good. She said it worked fine, that I never told her it had Office in there, but rather, that she had made an assumption. She said I should have told her about such a thing. I replied that if I was obligated to tell her everything the computer had in it, I would be waxing poetic for an hour about the motherboard. Now, if I was further obliged to tell her everything the computer DIDN'T have, I'd be there all day. I kept refusing to take it back, as she had been told that with this computer, there was a 10 day warranty, exchange only. The machine wasn't defective. She then tried to appeal to my morality. I'm a law student, and an awfully cynical one at that, so that didn't fly. She then threatened legal action, to which I very nearly burst out laughing. I told her to do what she had to do. She left the machine in the store and left. So, we put it aside for 30 days, then sold it.

In general, where a customer has a mistaken belief, I just correct them nicely. Where they are outright wrong, I also correct them in as nice a manner as possible. However, if he's rude to me, I can be just as rude. My boss supports this. I'm not obligated to take flak from people because they feel like dishing it. You want to spend $5000 and be a prick, that's fine. If you want to be a prick and spend nothing, then get the hell out. Where a customer expects me to bend over backwards for them, and is nothing but rude, then they can sod off. Customers in general feel comfortable coming into my store because all of the employees are very casual. We're not some big box store where everyone dresses the same and has to follow certain policies. We dress fairly nicely, and talk like regular people. In my experience, you can gauge how good the service is at a store by how likely they are to send you elsewhere for a product, even if they can obtain it. When i've been chatting with a customer for a while, and he's been quite congenial and polite, I don't mind telling him where to get some stuff for cheaper than I have it. They love that, and they come back.

It as actually my boss who first told me that the customers at this store think they know everything, and so i'd be responsible for dealing with these mistaken notions as much as possible, and selling them what they really want. It sounds odd, but it's true. If a customer can't even give me a starting point on what they want, then I can't help them. I've had a woman say she wants a new computer, but knows nothing, other than that she wants a new computer. Even basic questions like "Laptop or desktop?", and "PC or Mac?" garnered no answer. At that point, I can't help. I'm not going to sell you the most expensive I have, as a Future Shop or Best Buy might. I'll get you what you want, not what I can dupe you into buying. I'm good at my job, and though I'm rude to some people, and even while polite, I can anger a number of customers. However, if this filters out customers with ridiculous expectations, then it's better for us. Moreover, we're the only computer store on a large campus, so the majority of those who claim they'll never come back do anyway, because they're too lazy to venture off campus.


Oooo...so evil. You're my new hero for the day. :)

I spend all day correcting people's incorrect notions that the customer is always right.

I think honestly that your response to that customer may have had something to do with the way she acted. People need to realize that, with me at least, if you want me to help you ...you're going to have to at least be polite when dealing with me. Flying off the handle and yelling at me isn't going to make me want to be particularly helpful. However, if someone is nice...I might suggest an alternative to Office , in your situation, like "well office is not a free product and costs more than your whole system did, but you could always use open office , which is free." But since it seemed like the woman was being a twit, I agree with you.

About the whole refurb thing....If it's just a corrupted install of the OS someone should contact tech support first...but anything more than that I could understand not trusting how well refurbished the product was and wanting to return it.
 
CrackedButter said:
I disagree, his time is his money, why do people think they can get something for free if they ask over a phone. My response would be the same as his. Customers are the ones who should wake up, you don't get nothing for free anymore.

A Mother coming forth to protect her silly offspring how very national geographic of you........you naughty girl.......Mrs TLRedhawke ;)
 
jemeinc said:
That's a shame... Thank god I spend ridiculous amounts of money not only training my employees, but making sure they are happy & stick around... Seen to many bitter people like you bring an otherwise solid business down... I'm not selling products- I'm selling myself & my employees are an extension of me... You would definitely not survive in our company...


I honestly don't think this is an issue of employee happiness or bitterness.

This woman bought a product without understanding what it inlcluded. Why didn't she ask if it had office when she bought it if that was so amazingly important?

The woman called up and complained that something she did not ensure was included was not included.

If you bought a car, and didn't ask if it came with leather seats. Would you call the dealership pissed off that you didnt get leather seats (something that costs money) for free? Hmmmmm.

My reasoning is that I will try to help people, but only if they're calm, polite, and controlled. If someone calls up , and starts blaming me for their mistakes, then honestly I'm not going to bend the rules to try to help them. The policies for return are all detailed before the sale, she would have known that. So Honestly it's an issue of people not living up to their own mistakes. I agree, it's not the best customer service story I've heard, but you seem to be putting the blame on the wrong person.

Justin

Edit. I say honestly in these posts too often.
 
mrwonkers said:
A Mother coming forth to protect her silly offspring how very national geographic of you........you naughty girl.......Mrs TLRedhawke ;)

I'm beginning to think you are a troll. If you had something to really say you would of said it rather than attack me over my opinion which lacked anything offense and was rightly balanced and added something to the discussion. You post is also childish.

I don't even know TLRedhawke...

Face it, you're wrong, he's right.
 
justinshiding said:
Oooo...so evil. You're my new hero for the day. :)

I spend all day correcting people's incorrect notions that the customer is always right.

I think honestly that your response to that customer may have had something to do with the way she acted. People need to realize that, with me at least, if you want me to help you ...you're going to have to at least be polite when dealing with me. Flying off the handle and yelling at me isn't going to make me want to be particularly helpful. However, if someone is nice...I might suggest an alternative to Office , in your situation, like "well office is not a free product and costs more than your whole system did, but you could always use open office , which is free." But since it seemed like the woman was being a twit, I agree with you.

About the whole refurb thing....If it's just a corrupted install of the OS someone should contact tech support first...but anything more than that I could understand not trusting how well refurbished the product was and wanting to return it.

I actually had a print job balls up on me the other day. About $120 worth of work wasted. The printer technician through a sales clerk tried to blame me for the mistake stating a badly set up psd file was the problem. I hadn't used CMYK and such and such...

The colours on the print job came out so Black I told the clerk to bin them right away. However clerks don't know everything and while walking home thinking about how I could fix the problem. I realised he said everything would of been okay if they had used another printer.

Long story short...

I went back to the print shop with another CD (exact psd file) and 3 printouts from my computer (more than one peice of work) and asked this clerk if I could speak to the technician. Turns out nothing was wrong with my work and it WAS the printer they were using. Plus I noted they were using pc's, (i mean come on) while before I had heard they used macs. The local college uses macs and I believe one of the problems was there right away.

Anyway, I spoke as calmy as I could (after being blamed and for them missing the original deadline anyway by 4 days) and got the tech to print the whole job again on the other printer which was a better quality print.

While the results of the job were okay for the customer, I was discouraged from using them again, my lovely work was ruined by them, I had spent ages on what I had done. Anyway, it was nice that the female tech accommodated me so easily and it proves you get somewhere being nicer to the staff even if you DO know more.
 
justinshiding said:
Oooo...so evil. You're my new hero for the day. :)
Same here. I wish I could get away with being an ass to rude customers, especially the ones that almost hit me in the parking lot. Unfortunately, I work in a grocery store, and there's about 3 more of them within driving distance for our regular customers, so I would be fired pretty damn quickly if I did ;)




PS: can I work for your employer? :D
 
jemeinc said:
That's a shame... Thank god I spend ridiculous amounts of money not only training my employees, but making sure they are happy & stick around... Seen to many bitter people like you bring an otherwise solid business down... I'm not selling products- I'm selling myself & my employees are an extension of me... You would definitely not survive in our company...

You see, I find this somewhat amusing. That is, I can sell myself, and the company can sell itself all it wants, but it does you no good if product never leaves shelf. There's a fellow who works on campus, and comes into the shop a lot. We call him "Freebie". He'll spend quite a lot of time in the store, very polite, asking about products, and how to do what he wants. Once he's got everything figured out, he goes out to a far cheaper merchant and buys from them. That's what happens when you focus only on selling yourself. The customers who keep coming back are the ones that like the intelligent and honest style that all of us carry. We may come off as rude, and unhelpful, but that's because we like to be regular people, not simply customer service. In short, we're not going to coddle you and bend over backwards because you want us to. Sure, I'll walk you through all your misinformations, and misconceptions, and help you find the product you want. However, to receive such treatment, you have to be polite, and nice. Your problem is not my problem. Don't try to make it into my problem. Tax is 15%, stop asking me what it comes to. You can calculate it yourself. The return policy is clearly posted, stop asking what it is. If you don't like my policies, the door is to the left. I'll bend them if I like you, not because you think I should.

It's all well and good to declare that I wouldn't survive based on written reports of the manner in which I act. However, you've not seen me in action. Retail isn't conducted in writing. It's on the spot, and it requires quick thinking, and quick judgments not only for what product would be ideal, but also for how far you plan to go for a particular customer. The Open Office comment is a perfect one. When she initially phoned, we suggested she find someone with a burned copy of Office XP (The machine had Windows 98, so 2003 wouldn't run), and she declared that if she couldn't, she'd bring it back. If she had been nice, I would have happily suggested Open Office. However, if you're going to be a prick, I'm not going to give you free hints. If I told every customer about Open Office, I'd never sell MSOffice. Is it better to be a nice guy, or to sell product in that case?

The customer is not inherently right, and I'm honestly sick of those who try to push the idea that they are. Especially in more technical sales fields, the customer is far less likely to be right. We have a guy who comes into the store. We call him "64 bit guy", because all he does is rant about 64 bit computing, and Hyper Transport. He seems to like to quote news sites, though he won't admit he does. He keeps himself pretty well informed, but everytime he comes in, I thwomp him. He's always missed something. He's a knowledgeable guy, but he doesn't know everything. He doesn't even know everything in the one field of which he chooses to make a query. The other reason we don't like him is that he keeps asking for products which we don't carry, cannot order, and he has asked for in the past. If I couldn't get you a laptop with an Athlon 64 2 months ago, what makes you think I can get one now? I've told him very well what brand of laptop I can get. None of them make 64 bit laptops. It's not a hard concept. However, at the very least, he always waits patiently until I'm free to rant at me. He stood around for 10 minutes while I was on the phone last time. If he had burst in and started ranting at me right off the bat, I wouldn't have even listened. If a customer interrupts me in the midst of speaking to someone else, and it isn't for a brief inquiry, like "Where are the headphones?", then I'm not going to bend an inch. I've been called racist because I didn't stop the conversation I'd been having with a young female customer to go get the stuff he'd ordered. He burst into the conversation, and I told him he'd have to wait.

In short, if you're making money by being a doormat, then more power to you. However, our business is thriving by my, and the rest of the employees', honesty, and forthrightness. I'm not tech support, and I'm not here to give free advice. If I choose to, it's because I like you, not because you want me to.
 
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