Just realized something about iPad criticism

Discussion in 'iPad' started by ScaryRobot, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. ScaryRobot macrumors member


    Jan 24, 2010
    Thinking this through (and reading quite a bit of the debate on both sides), I just realized where the criticism of the iPad takes us, if we follow it to its logical conclusion.

    If Apple had just called up whatever Taiwanese outsourcing company makes the $350 Mini 10 netbook for Dell, and said “Give us a couple of million of those, but change the cases a little and put Apple logos on them,” and had slapped stock Snow Leopard installations on their hard drives, many iPad critics (I'm thinking mostly of the Wintel crowd) would have been substantially happier with the resulting product.

    Think about this for a few minutes, and ask yourself if you ever want Apple to stop making products people criticize.... :D
  2. MyJelleo macrumors 6502

    Mar 29, 2007
    No, then critics will complain that it doesn't make Orange Juice. People will always find something to complain about even if the damn thing was free and did everything imaginable.

    There are a lot of uneducated consumers who are criticizing the iPad and not really understanding its purpose -- to be a multimedia device that falls between an iPod and a Macbook. These are the same idiots who didn't understand the purpose of netbooks and complained that they were too underpowered. Now we have netbooks that cost over 600 dollars that are more multimedia friendly.
  3. Sketh macrumors 6502


    Sep 14, 2007
    This is what would have happened if Apple had released a netbook instead of a tablet:

    "What? No Tablet? I can install Snow Leopard on my [INSERT RANDOM NETBOOK] Already, come on Apple, I SO would have bought a "giant iPod touch."

    Thus is the cycle of a successful company and their loony followers.
  4. admanimal macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2005
    As the Henry Ford quote goes, "If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse."

    Thank goodness the folks at Apple are a bit more creative.
  5. bobsentell macrumors 6502a


    Nov 14, 2008
    Then Ford and Jobs must be related. Ford also said, "You can have any color you want as long as it is black."
  6. admanimal macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2005
    Hah, never thought of that one. That is pretty funny.
  7. NeuralControl macrumors 6502a

    Dec 3, 2009
    In many regards, Jobs and Ford are similar businessmen. Whether we like to admit it or not, they know what they are doing for their businesses.
  8. bobsentell macrumors 6502a


    Nov 14, 2008
    In the end, what you will find is those who are being the most vocal in criticism will be the ones standing in line at 3:00 in the morning the day it is released.
  9. ScaryRobot thread starter macrumors member


    Jan 24, 2010
    (Sorry, I'm the original poster; reregistered because real names don't seem to be standard practice here.)

    With respect to the "giant iPod Touch" thing, in case anyone hasn't seen it, this is extremely relevant.

    The summary is, basically, upon seeing the iPhone, Alan Kay told Steve Jobs "Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."

    Well, they did...
  10. Pikemann Urge macrumors 6502

    Jan 3, 2007
    Critics are forgetting that their laptops and desktops will not be taken away from them. It's like they've lost their grip on reality. Apple upsets their repressed sensibilities and they don't like it one bit.

    If the iPad could make phone calls, they'd laugh and say "Apple expects us to hold a chopping board up to our ears to make calls now?". :rolleyes:

    Now, that attitude can still work. But you have to be smart about it. The iPhone is like that, and so are the iPods and iPad. They're successful because there are no fidgety options to deal with.
  11. RazHyena macrumors 6502a


    Jul 30, 2009
    Naw. We'll be ones who will wait another month to see how they function in the real world.

    Keep in mind: We still don't know everything that the iPad can do yet.
  12. admanimal macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2005
    I think that the iPad is going to be one of those things where people don't think they want one, or are unsure, until someone they know buys one and they see them using it/get to try it out. Not entirely unlike the iPod Touch or iPhone.
  13. Paul B macrumors 6502

    Sep 13, 2007
    Whatever innovation the iPad brings to the table will make tablet computing better on a whole.
  14. Chaos123x macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2008
    I didn't know anyone who didn't want a iphone. They were just allot of money.

    But the iPad just needs to fix some of the issues Apple purposely crippled it with. (camera,Flash, Multitasking). Once they fix those with version 2 and theres more software out there it will be a hit. Just not right away like the iphone.
  15. ditzy macrumors 68000


    Sep 28, 2007
    Many people here don't seem to have the ability to say, 'I don't want or need it, but others will.'
    It would be like me saying, 'I'll never buy a PC again, so PC's are doomed to failure.' I have no plans to buy a PC again, but yet I'm fairly sure that Microsoft will survive without me buying their stuff.
  16. backinmac macrumors newbie

    Jan 27, 2010
    North and left a bit
    I totally agree, the critics have missed the point. The iPad is designed to do some things really well; to be a light weight, magazine sized e-reader for ebooks/enewspapers/pdf docs etc.

    However, Apple knew they would have to have internet connectivity to get these documents so they have incorporated a lot of other net related functions and the iPad will be a fairly good, light-weight option to check the internet like you are reading a magazine.

    In addition, Apple knew they would need a damn fine screen to make e-reading comfortable and accessible. So they put on a pretty good screen, which opens up a lot of potential for high quality games graphics (providing there is a decent processor).

    Jobs could have done his keynote speech with the above argument and it would have reduced the complaints about the lack of computing options, but then the moaning masses would complain 'it's only an ebook reader' - yes it is, but it's the best on the market because it does a hundred things the competitors do not for a max $829!

    So final words: To all those moaning, whinging 'I want a macbook air screen with all the specs of a macbook pro' people - the iPad is not an all-purpose computer, it is something else - an e-reader, it is not perfect, but it is better than anything else in this new category of devices.
  17. skubish macrumors 68030


    Feb 2, 2005
    Ann Arbor, Michigan
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    Completely correct OP.
    If Apple gave me a Dell netbook with snow leopard it would an insta-buy for mr. But the iPad with no flash, no USB, no memory card slot it's a wait n see. The iPad is very unimaginative because it is just a big iPod touch. People have been dreaming about that on this forum for years.

    I really think will be taking a lot of heat when average consumers get a hold of the iPad and find all the limitations.
  18. Brazzan macrumors member


    Jul 11, 2009
    Well, stick an Ion chipset in it & that is pretty much what I want. Whilst my current netbook does run OSX86, keeping it maintained is a Windows-like PITA, because you have to update all the drivers etc manually every time anything changes. So yes, I do want a netbook that runs full, supported OSX in an Apple-style pretty box. I'm quite happy to pay extra for it, too.

    No, it's not revolutionary, but it does actually meet my needs, in a way that the iPad doesn't.
  19. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    No, and that makes no sense.

    I think it's inevitable that the iPad adopt one of those LCD screens with e-Ink-esque capabilities. I'd probably get that. The current/announced iPad wouldn't be good for reading unless you're inside where the light is controlled, and it's not good for web browsing unless you just browse websites and never visit forums. e-Ink is still better for reading in more situations/areas, while a laptop is still better for browsing.

    Having said that, the iPad would make a great portable gaming system. ;)

    I'd get an iPad if the dust settles and the iPad put e-Ink and all the other options out of business. Until then, I'd rather get an eReader and just browse the web on my iPhone, or tethered to my MacBook when I need portable internet. :)

    I think YOU missed the point. The iPad is not an eReader. It can be used for reading, but it wasn't designed primarily as an eReader.
  20. WytRaven macrumors 6502

    Mar 19, 2009
    Orbiting Mercury
    They won't find all the limitations because unlike you they had no expectations.
  21. Tunster macrumors 6502

    Nov 28, 2009
    It's not though. Steve Jobs did not explicitly call it an e-reader. He called it the revolutionary tablet that will do a better job than netbooks. All the ebook stuff is extra and I'm sure it will be available on the iPhone and iTouch once the new version comes out. The iPad looks as if it wants to be jack of all trades, but an expert of none. It really does no more than any other tablet and the experience will be compromised with it's huge limitations.

    I really don't think Apple really knows what it should be. Especially with the iPhone software. It totally voids the business market (which could of been potentially large with a mobile version of OS X) and Apple expect people to buy a device that only "adds" and doesn't replace any of their products.

    But a 13" MacBook does the same thing? I personally won't be replacing my MacBook Pro for one in a few years time. To me, the iPad is a gimmick and shows a lack of ambition from Apple to give the tablet a place in the market for the general public. Again, it's another pointless product that was over-hyped and heavily under-delivered by Apple. I'd place it under the same category as the iPod Shuffle.

    You go on about it being the perfect e-reader, but why make it so powerful for games? Again, greed is in Steve Jobs eyes to cash in on extra app sales.

    The iPad should of been tilted towards the computer market to try and make it much more useful. It really fails to do so on many levels. Unfortunately Apple have given the iPad a split personality disorder. I could say to everyone so Pro-iPad trying to make up reasons to buy one; stop it. But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm in the negative iPad camp for first impressions.

    I'm annoyed it's pretty much a backwards spec'ed product (it might as well go in the Netbook category with a 1024 x 768 screen), tied down to iTunes with their app store only and linked to mobile phone contracts.

    I'd say this iPad section should be in the iPhone/iPod category rather than sitting like a lame duck insulting the rest of Apple's very good computing products.
  22. mrgreen4242 macrumors 601


    Feb 10, 2004
    So, by implication, you claim a netbook with OSX would have been imaginative? The iPad is really a new platform despite running the iPhone OS. The screen size alone makes it substantially different from the iPhone - there are things that are just not doable on a 3.5" screen.

    At least you can go buy a Dell mini and throw OSx on there still. I have a mini 9 running 10.5 now and it's nice. Its probably the best ultraportable computer I've used - no moving parts, decent battery life, usable screen and keyboard (if not stellar on either count), small footprint, and light. The iPad might be better simply for the battery life and instant on/standby. It also might be a better portable user experience on a <10" screen (OSX 10.5 feels cramped on a little 9" 1024*600 display).
  23. Tunster macrumors 6502

    Nov 28, 2009
    It isn't a new platform. Tablets have existed for years and all have failed to capture the publics imagination (and only benefit certain applications of use).

    Yet again, Apple have fallen into the same trap. Fuzzing the iPhone OS onto a big screen and that's imaginative/creative? We know size makes a huge difference for better browsing/e-mail/photos/videos, but when you place a crippled and restrictive OS that's surrounded by Apps market and onto relatively cheap/backwards hardware; you can see Apple want a quick buck from this device.

    Maybe a dual touchscreen (a TFT in place of a physical keyboard) netbook would of been more creative. You could use it as a netbook and lock it into a tablet (both TFTs straight in-line) for reading purposes.
  24. kntgsp macrumors 6502a

    Jul 27, 2004
  25. ScaryRobot thread starter macrumors member


    Jan 24, 2010
    OK, fine. So that's what you personally want. Let's think this through a bit.

    If Apple had introduced a Mac netbook, how many of them would they have sold? Apple currently sells ~13M Macs/year. I think an optimistic estimate for Mac netbook sales might be perhaps an additional 4M units/year.

    Does anyone really think the iPad won't sell at least 10M units in 2011? Keeping in mind that the iPhone + iPod Touch appear to be selling at a rate about 5x that high, as of last quarter.

    As I extensively explain towards the bottom of this post, the tablet could be a game-chaning platform for Apple -- a way to do an end-run around the Microsoft desktop OS monopoly that two decades of head-on attacks have been unable to breach. If you'd really have rather had a netbook than a device that has a decent shot at being able to transform personal computing over the next five years... it's hard to figure out what to even say to that.

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