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Kanye West Wants Meeting Between Tim Cook and Jay Z to End 'Beef' Between Apple Music and Tidal

JamesPDX said:
The term "Producer" is a fuzzy one and it is thrown around very loosely these days, so it's hard to say exactly what a Producer does. So, this is an interesting question-at-large? Can Producer X, Y, or Z walk into an average studio (with the mics, etc. put away, the board zeroed-out, and patchbays clear) and setup a session without an engineer present? Even a playback/stems mix with any written automation turned off? Do most producers know how to mic a drum kit? I'd have to spend a day in the studio as an engineer with West and get back to you on that over a beer. Producers: Kevin Shirley, Kevin Elson, Quincy Jones, Prince, etc.
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I can and I do, but the moment I'm at the point in my life that I don't have to, I wont. But in general, it's irrelevant whether he can do that or not, it's engineers job to setup a session and to mic up a drumkit. If you'd hire me as a producer and that expect me to be your cable monkey and engineer, i wouldn't be too happy. Two different things. Yeah its great that a producers does all these things, but thats a plus not a must.

Mixing engineers/recordist usually works for a fixed fee since his input is for the most part utilitarian not creative, while producer should find what suits the song best and creatively change so it fits the whatever agenda the artist has.
Engineer shouldn't. Engineer should record the things as best as possible.

Prince was not a producer first. You can't be, if you exclusively produce only your own stuff (and even that sometimes in collab). Not a diss on prince. Ironically Prince actually liked Kanye.

So whether Kanye knows how to mic a drumkit (which is irrelevant in any type of electronic music genre to be frank), not knowing how to setup a studio only makes him not an engineer...
 
macduke said:
Get settled in at work, grab some breakfast, login to MR for a bit…

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WHAT DID I DO? Couldn't for the life of me remember what I wrote, figured I pissed off a bunch of people. Was scared to open. Turns out everything is ok, lol. You guys really don't like Kanye. Finally, something the forums can agree on!
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What a better way to start your work week off on a Monday with a 136 Likes. At least we know 136 People don't like Kanye Kardashian!
 
MisterK said:
A lot of folks in here would be terrible business people. You don't decide multi-million (billion?) dollar acquisitions based on personal music tastes or the ego of a single participant (West's not the person you'd even be making the deal with, by the way). The fact is, we simply don't have enough information to know if this would be a good move by Apple or not. It may very well be the case that a Tidal acquisition would be a relatively inexpensive way to get catalogs from artists ranging from Jay-Z, Kanye, and Beyoncé to Madonna, Neil Young, and Prince. It doesn't really matter if you think their music is good. They're popular enough, would help fill missing holes in the AppleMusic offering, and — depending on price — could be a great way to get a package deal (rather than reaching out to artists and publisher's individually).

Tidal is in a tougher spot. In addition to West's newest signal of Tidal's weakness, they've been quite vocal that their reason for existing has been in opposition to companies like Apple. How do the artists involved sell what looks like a failed company to Apple while saving face? Some stipulations around "artistic freedom" might have to be worked out.
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That is kind of what I have been wondering, it was clear what Apple gained with the acquisition of Beats but I am unclear what they would get with the acquisition of Tidal?
 
Ploki said:
I can and I do, but the moment I'm at the point in my life that I don't have to, I wont. But in general, it's irrelevant whether he can do that or not, it's engineers job to setup a session and to mic up a drumkit. If you'd hire me as a producer and that expect me to be your cable monkey and engineer, i wouldn't be too happy. Two different things. Yeah its great that a producers does all these things, but thats a plus not a must.

Mixing engineers/recordist usually works for a fixed fee since his input is for the most part utilitarian not creative, while producer should find what suits the song best and creatively change so it fits the whatever agenda the artist has.
Engineer shouldn't. Engineer should record the things as best as possible.

Prince was not a producer first. You can't be, if you exclusively produce only your own stuff (and even that sometimes in collab). Not a diss on prince. Ironically Prince actually liked Kanye.

So whether Kanye knows how to mic a drumkit (which is irrelevant in any type of electronic music genre to be frank), not knowing how to setup a studio only makes him not an engineer...
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So, like an architect who knows little (if anything) about civil engineering and construction? Got it.
 
JamesPDX said:
Yes, not all music is the same:

Before:

After:
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Look, I'm a classically trained composer, I studied baroque in and out. It becomes boring just as anything else, and while its musically complex, it offers absolutely nothing except acoustic instruments in terms of sound, and the way the music is written doesn't leave much to any other interpretation either. It's a different time. A lot of today's production is less complex rhythmically or in polyphony, but its much more complex in terms of actual sound and less abiding to the music theory rules.

this :

strikes me much more than any classical music and its super simple in every musical dimension possible, yet it somehow conveys inredible power.
 
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