Hello everyone, I'm in a bad jam with my 12" G4 PB (1.33 MHz, 80 GB, superdrive). I installed the latest security update last night, and after that my computer stopped booting up. My computer has been acting strangely lately, with very long beach ball spinning at times, but I have been able to get it back to "normal" by using repair permissions. In fact I had run repair permissions just prior to the security update. When I turn the power button on, the gray screen and Apple logo come on, and the small circular clock icon appears for less than a second when I get the multi-lingual display of "You need to restart your computer. Hold down the...." I have scoured the message boards and have tried a few remedial actions such as removing my 3rd party RAM and resetting PRAM and NVRAM. I am able to boot from the CD start up disk but when I get into Disk Utility, the icon for my hard drive (named "Macintosh HD") is faded. I am able to perform a disk repair (which I did, no problems), but the "Repair permissions" and "Verify permissions" buttons are faded out so I can't select them. I have tried booting up into Single User Mode so I could run fsck, but after the computer starts displaying white text on a black screen, it displays the message "Panic: We are hanging here..." I don't know how to copy that screen of text here so I'll just type some things I see that might be pertinent: jnl: open: journal magic is bad (0xe284b296 != 0x4a4e4c78) hft: late jnl init: failed to open/create the journal (retval 0) nfs_boot: networking is not intitialized panic(cpu 0): nfs_boot_init failed with 6 No debugger configured - dumping debug information Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0 I'll type more if someone needs more info. I don't have another Mac handy to do the firewire connection to back up my hard drive, but I'm afraid that if Disk Utility can't read the disk then connecting it to another Mac will not allow me to read it either. I would really like to avoid erasing the disk if I can somehow save the data on it first. If you can help I'd really appreciate it! Thanks P.S. I was wondering if I could partition my hard drive in Disk Utility and then install a new Mac OS on that partition to boot up, and then somehow access my data on the other partition. Would that work?