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It used to be that Apple had a crack legal team. Now it has a legal team which seems to be smoking crack.

Apple loses a legal battle once again. And this one seems that it will have huge implications for the one, lone win that Apple had.

The GC needs to be replaced with somebody who might be able to clean up the mess he made.
 
It was certainly a more touchscreen-centric one. Whether that was truly unique or not is up to debate.

It was unique, in good ways and bad ways. It was the first smartphone with very responsive capacitative touch screen.

But it was also probably the only smartphone that could not send or receive MMS :p
 
And apples stock falls again as another of its "key patents" fails to stick.

Time for apple to sue the Patent office ? :rolleyes: or perhaps time for apple to stop Patent Trolling to get its competitors products out of the way and get back to innovating its products so they sell on their own merits.

i remember a time when apples products stood out from the competitors, and they released new, fresh improvements that were one step ahead of the competition, now it seems everyone else is 10 steps ahead and apple are stuck in the corner eating paste with glitter on it.

Less of Sir Ives -"lets make it thinner and shiny-er", more technical enhancements and disruptive new features, please apple (including a little door that gives the magical ability to swap out the memory and HDD on your products again, THAT would be a disruptive change)

Excuse me, but Apple can't be patent trolling. To be a patent troll, you have to hold a patent but not use the patent in any product your company makes. Since they own the patent and actively use it in products they are not patent trolling. They are protecting their property.
 
It was unique, in good ways and bad ways. It was the first smartphone with very responsive capacitative touch screen.

But it was also probably the only smartphone that could not send or receive MMS :p

Any new product is going to have limitations and issues when compared to it's second and third generations. The first iPhone started at 4gb storage. Now the minimum in the 4S and 5 is 16gb. The first ios devices had no task switching... You can keep going with features. Imagine all the features Apple would spend time on if the AppleTV started taking off...
 
i remember a time when apples products stood out from the competitors, and they released new, fresh improvements that were one step ahead of the competition, now it seems everyone else is 10 steps ahead and apple are stuck in the corner eating paste with glitter on it.

So who made a product even close to an iPhone before Apple? Who implemented and used rubber-banding before Apple? Apple invented the competition when it invented iPhone. Samsung, Motorola, Nokia would all still be pushing their stupid flip phones and Palm would be on another useless iteration of its Treo if it weren't for Apple.

Ah how quickly we forget that the things you take for granted today in your smartphone were mostly invented, and implemented, by Apple. But today you say it's normal and everywhere, but that wasn't the case just five years ago. Credit the Apple. They took the risks, they made the investments, and they deserve to block anyone who has stolen their concepts.
 
And apples stock falls again as another of its "key patents" fails to stick.

Time for apple to sue the Patent office ? :rolleyes: or perhaps time for apple to stop Patent Trolling to get its competitors products out of the way and get back to innovating its products so they sell on their own merits.

i remember a time when apples products stood out from the competitors, and they released new, fresh improvements that were one step ahead of the competition, now it seems everyone else is 10 steps ahead and apple are stuck in the corner eating paste with glitter on it.

Less of Sir Ives -"lets make it thinner and shiny-er", more technical enhancements and disruptive new features, please apple (including a little door that gives the magical ability to swap out the memory and HDD on your products again, THAT would be a disruptive change)

It's easy for competitors to get 10 steps ahead when all they have to do is wait to see what Apple does, implement the same features, add a few of their own.
 
Any new product is going to have limitations and issues when compared to it's second and third generations. The first iPhone started at 4gb storage. Now the minimum in the 4S and 5 is 16gb. The first ios devices had no task switching... You can keep going with features. Imagine all the features Apple would spend time on if the AppleTV started taking off...

I never said all features should be available from release, I just pointed out that the first iPhone did not have MMS. What's your point?
 
It was unique, in good ways and bad ways. It was the first smartphone with very responsive capacitative touch screen.

But it was also probably the only smartphone that could not send or receive MMS :p

Or install 3rd party applications ( without jail breaking ).


They took the risks, they made the investments, and they deserve to block anyone who has stolen their concepts.

If Apple's patents are found to be prior art ( which quite iPhone related have been ) then nothing has been stolen.
 
It was unique, in good ways and bad ways. It was the first smartphone with very responsive capacitative touch screen.

It definitely ushered in the current mobile era, and showed all the other manufacturers that you could make a smartphone without many physical keys that's still easy to use.

But I don't think Apple wholesale came up with the idea of a touchscreen-centric design. Rather, they took a big risk with an unproven product that was a good deal different from the current standard, and it paid off for them in a big way.

Apple didn't show everyone else how to make touchscreen phones (well...they did in some ways, but that's another argument entirely). Rather, they showed everyone else you could make a ton of money off them, and the less risk adverse companies followed suit.
 
Apple didn't show everyone else how to make touchscreen phones (well...they did in some ways, but that's another argument entirely). Rather, they showed everyone else you could make a ton of money off them, and the less risk adverse companies followed suit.

The thing ( and almost only, IMO ) that was special about the original iPhone was the GUI. A very usable GUI on a phone, far ahead of most others.
 
The thing ( and almost only, IMO ) that was special about the original iPhone was the GUI. A very usable GUI on a phone, far ahead of most others.

With finger friendly buttons and icons. I remember trying to customize my TYTN to have large icons but that resistive screen was always in the way :mad:
 
********, they had it first. I had never seen it until I saw it on the first iPhone.

I second that! I still remember in the 2007 Macworld Keynote address, the scrolling and 'rubber banding' were two distinctive features of the iPhone. :) :apple:

Steve even said, 'And boy have we patented it!' (he was referring to the 'Multi-Touch')
If Steve were here, I wonder what he would think. :confused:
 
Excuse me, but Apple can't be patent trolling. To be a patent troll, you have to hold a patent but not use the patent in any product your company makes. Since they own the patent and actively use it in products they are not patent trolling. They are protecting their property.

Are... are you serious? In that case Apple is a massive patent troll. How many patent applications have we seen come through the front page in this site over the years that aren't even in the same arena as any current/past products? Not saying Apple is a patent troll (which is up for debate) but your definition of a patent troll certainly paints Apple as a huge patent troll
 
The thing ( and almost only, IMO ) that was special about the original iPhone was the GUI. A very usable GUI on a phone, far ahead of most others.

The basics of the GUI? Sortakinda but not really. If you want to get down to the nuts and bolts about it, iOS is an evolution of what we've seen in Palms and other PDA's, just built around a finger as the main method of input rather than a stylus.

It's the polish, shine, and style that ultimate separates iOS from what came before. We've seen a grid of icons on a portable device plenty of times in the past, but we hadn't seen one nearly as smooth before.
 
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