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Until our company (Fortune 500) was bought by a slightly bigger company (also Fortune 500), everyone in our company used Mac computers. But everyone at the bigger company used PCs. So we had to give up our Macs. :(Ironically, the IT department went from about 6 people to over 30...THIS is IT departments dirty little secret and why they love PCs so much...job security!!!

Nope. Having worked in a Windows IT department before, I can tell you it's because Microsoft offers enterprise support and shares product roadmaps. They communicate, and those things build customer trust. It's also because Windows is highly customizable via registry tweaks and ActiveDirectory group policies.

In my experience, those people in that IT group probably don't want to deal with your trouble ticket any more than you want to submit it.
 
Is everybody that works at Apple a vice president? They seem a little top heavy.

Apple has VPs instead of Business Units it seems. This guy prolly didn't "fit" with Apple culture, or maybe he was so tired of being told to be quiet when asking when real Pro computers would be released.
 
Until our company (Fortune 500) was bought by a slightly bigger company (also Fortune 500), everyone in our company used Mac computers. But everyone at the bigger company used PCs. So we had to give up our Macs. :(Ironically, the IT department went from about 6 people to over 30...THIS is IT departments dirty little secret and why they love PCs so much...job security!!!
Like many of us here, I've worked in many a PC/Mac Fortune 6000 company. And, like any Mac-user in that environment, I was friendly with the IT team - mainly because I never needed anything form them. we mainly laugh about the nightmare that was maintaining a Windows environment. That PCs constantly require maintenance is most definitely by design and most definitely why Macs have not made more of a dent in enterprise. The senior exec knucklehead running the IT dept has likely never used a Mac and thus, recommends what he knows: garbage. And it's not a coincidence that what he knows just happens to require his team's constant attention. And if those companies only knew the $$ they would save over time... There wouldn't be a PC to be found. Such a sad racket. Like SeattleMoose said, job security. Plain and simple. #gross
 
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You're about to see a rush of posts by people who know zero about enterprise requirements or Apple's penetration into the market. Just take a deep breath.

Apple's penetrated and penetrated and penetrated enough times over the last several years without giving any love in the form of a useful new Mini and an updated enterprise-class Mac Pro. (No enterprise-class watchbands.)
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That was before Apple racked up their prices.

Bam! ;)
 
Are we finally going to see decent some entreprise level iWork version. That's the only thing stopping me from buying in the apple eco system again

Pages: have you tried flipping just one page landscape?
Numbers:where to start, pivot? Only 65k lines per table, bad performance, database links, missing simple functionalities like "what-if", try printing...
Keynote: great

Instead we need to use those breadcrumbs thrown by ms called office for Mac... sigh
 
Are we finally going to see decent some entreprise level iWork version. That's the only thing stopping me from buying in the apple eco system again

Pages: have you tried flipping just one page landscape?
Numbers:where to start, pivot? Only 65k lines per table, bad performance, database links, missing simple functionalities like "what-if", try printing...
Keynote: great

Instead we need to use those breadcrumbs thrown by ms called office for Mac... sigh

We cannot even get a desktop from apple, and you are asking for enterprise software? :) iMac, Mac mini, Mac Pro......so out dated.
 
With the exit of Xserves, and server OS software, Apple abandoned the Enterprise market a long time ago.

Selling devices to corporate users is the closest they get now.

Waiting for iPhone Enterprise iOS Server Edition.

Or... Apple Watch Server... :eek::cool:
 
PC manufactures such as HP, Dell and Lenovo offer the same hardware for a 1/3 of the price of Apple's product with longer warranty period. If you have to buy 3.000 laptops, the price is the key element.

With cell phones it is different because the iPhone can cost as much as high-end Samsung, and there are subsidies from the network providers. The only way you can go cheap is by buying some BB ****.

The Macbook would never achieve the popularity of the iPhone and the iPad because it is expensive, period. If they want the Macbook to become the standard, they need to cut margins and offer cheaper laptops. Otherwise,
 
Apple's penetrated and penetrated and penetrated enough times over the last several years without giving any love in the form of a useful new Mini and an updated enterprise-class Mac Pro. (No enterprise-class watchbands.)
Made my point. None of these examples needed an "enterprise-class Mac Pro" (whatever that is). Just because you want to see a desktop refresh doesn't mean that's the direction enterprise development is going. Airline pilots don't want to carry a Mac Pro into the cockpit. Distributing computing power and biometric sensors into the health industry doesn't need an upgraded Mac Mini. I'd agree that those things would be nice for the personal computer market, but that's not what this article is about.
 
The lower TCO on mac must be one of the biggest myths ever, or people are extremely bad at math.
I work for a uni, and at retirement, our macs are 1-2 years "younger" than our PCs, we pay a lot more for management (JAMF) than on PCs (SCCM) and usually need more support staff, but fewer sysadmins.

IBMs lowered costs are attributed to, as Mr Previn said 2015: "Mac users tend to help each other and don't need to phone helpdesk."
I'm not really sure how it is cheaper to let well paid engineers do the IT-support. But, the costs doesn't show on the IT budget, which looks good unless you see "the big picture".
 
The Apple/IBM partnership is done/finished.
Which Fortune500 company would even consider an IT-supplier who declares the Post-PC era to be over (supplying intelligent workers with tablets running a phoneOS...)
 
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Total nonsense. As POSIX certified UNIX machines, MBPs beat the hell out of Windoze notebooks. Network guys and coders love em.

Not sure what coders you're talking to. In my world coders want a nice comfy keyboard, beefy cpu for fast compiling and big gorgeous screen. The new MBP keyboard alone would make most coders I know shoot themselves in the head if they had to use it for work.
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None of these examples needed an "enterprise-class Mac Pro" (whatever that is). Just because you want to see a desktop refresh doesn't mean that's the direction enterprise development is going.

Exactly. You just don't get it.

"Enterprise" means a heck of a lot more than "computers at a big company". Enterprise is a complete ecosystem, the computers, network, and servers are tightly integrated. You don't buy everyone a computer and log them into iCloud. You run your own cloud to keep everything under your control. Enterprise is the complete opposite of everything Apple has done since killing xserve.

Airline pilots don't want to carry a Mac Pro into the cockpit. Distributing computing power and biometric sensors into the health industry doesn't need an upgraded Mac Mini. I'd agree that those things would be nice for the personal computer market, but that's not what this article is about.

It's funny and sad at the same time you think either of those examples have anything at all to do with the article. Why would you want any form of enterprise computer in an airplane cockpit? Not even sure where you're going with the tangent about distributed computing.
 
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Not sure what coders you're talking to. In my world coders want a nice comfy keyboard, beefy cpu for fast compiling and big gorgeous screen. The new MBP keyboard alone would make most coders I know shoot themselves in the head if they had to use it for work.
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Exactly. You just don't get it.

"Enterprise" means a heck of a lot more than "computers at a big company". Enterprise is a complete ecosystem, the computers, network, and servers are tightly integrated. You don't buy everyone a computer and log them into iCloud. You run your own cloud to keep everything under your control. Enterprise is the complete opposite of everything Apple has done since killing xserve.



It's funny and sad at the same time you think either of those examples have anything at all to do with the article. Why would you want any form of enterprise computer in an airplane cockpit? Not even sure where you're going with the tangent about distributed computing.
Your definition of enterprise computing is amusingly narrow. As I said if you reread my post, enterprise computing is not about buying people computers anymore, nor is it, as you think, necessarily server-based, although that can be part of it. Apple can be a big player in the enterprise market without selling servers. The fact that you consider distributed architectures a "tangent" proves my point:

"The enterprise computing world is rapidly moving from proprietary, scale-up systems to open source or open core systems and distributed architectures."

Also from that article: "third platform technology is expected to grow by approximately 20% by 2020. The third platform encompasses mobile, social, cloud technology, big data, and IoT (the Internet of Things)." One can be in any segment of that stack and be an enterprise player.

And by the way, please consider learning how to disagree with someone without being rude. You'd be an outlier around here, but it'd be so refreshing.
 
"The enterprise computing world is rapidly moving from proprietary, scale-up systems to open source or open core systems and distributed architectures."

Until the corporate world is ready and willing to get serious about security; https://letsencrypt.org/ and the very wide lower 48 states of the USA are willing to do some really unexciting-but-critically-important upgrades to the nation's powergrid and internet infrastructure, then this is just more corporate/sales-speak for, "We're going to dumb-down your local server/app/storage infrastructure and make you use Drupal instead of SAP (or a better CMS replacement)..." -Because every ***** VP wants a boat and a 2nd vacation home. The IOT has a long way to go to prove its safety and security. Let's not forget that STUXNET and worse is in the wild.

Because really, you don't want NextGenNav-dependent airliners to be competing with Netflix or millions of unsecured webcams, home-based products, and Big Analytics for bandwidth or trespass via overmodulation.

WWBAD?

(What would Bill Adama do?)
 
ha you beat me to it!

Yeah Apple's Enterprise support has been terrible/non-existent. Not sure what this guy was doing...

How do you mean?

XServe
XRaid

Those where Apple's major foray into Enterprise. Sure most universities in the USA bought them and most would think that is an Education market but trust it those where Enterprise level sales, support and deliveries.

Since iPhone 3GS and 4 with proper Exchange ActiveSync support iOS (iPad's included, dare I say iPads led the way due to huge failure of PlayBook eek!) Enterprise has been hand in hand with consumer sales.

iOS + MDM/EMMs have been battle tested to finally get the very TOP level of US/German/etc Government level mobile devices.
 
Shock horror....an apple business partner making such a statement... ;)

P.S Microsoft business partners claim PCs are cheaper in the long run.

Not exactly impartial PR statements there.....

IBM Canada has been using MacBook/MBP's for 4yrs prior to Apple+IBM partnership for both internal staff and contractors. Bootcamping Windows or virtual installation where the windows partition or enviro using IBM-Windows Image fully supported. The difference is IBM global has been buying MBP's and NO discounts. Long ago I worked for IBM on contractor and seen this beginning first hand.
 
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