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With this up-coming Keychron, it is wireless. This time it is never going to be plugged into a computer or a powered hub. The RGB lighting eats its 4000 mAh battery alive. With the RGB shut off the spec’s call for a 650 hour battery. I like the RGB set with a green lighting scheme. Human eyes, thanks to ancient tree climbing ancestors, work exceptionally well, and with little eye strain in the leafy green light spectrum. I have a 28,000 mAh Anker PowerCore battery I am going to plug into this new Keychain with a 1/2 meter long Thunderbolt 5 cable. The type “C” connectors on the T5 cable have the strongest retention springs of all of the “C” type cables they are worth using just for this detail.
I've left Keychron behind long ago. They started out pretty good, but they've pretty much given up on new designs, just making unnecessary tweaks (i.e., 8K polling) to existing designs to re-sell the same keyboards at prices 50% above their competition. And their customer support is in the toilet.
 
I am typing on the new Keychron. I really like the 96% layout. It is connected via Bluetooth but it is plugged into an Anker charging station with a 1/2 meter Thunderbolt 5 cable. The TB-5 has much better retention springs.
 
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I've left Keychron behind long ago. They started out pretty good, but they've pretty much given up on new designs, just making unnecessary tweaks (i.e., 8K polling) to existing designs to re-sell the same keyboards at prices 50% above their competition. And their customer support is in the toilet.

what do you recommend now?
 
Depends what you’re looking for.

Inexpensive TKL? The NovelKeys ClassicTKL is great.

Higher end TKL? KBDFans Tofu TKL.

75%? Neo75, KBDFans Athena75.

65%? Tofu65, Bauer Lite, Bakeneko65, Neo65.

60%? Tofu60, Neo60

Great recommendations!

I picked up a Keychron Q6 HE 8K earlier this year and it's been surprisingly reliable.

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Since then, the Neo98 (spray-white and anodized taupe grey) has been my primary daily — patiently waiting on the MW Meteor Dreams keycaps to arrive.

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Wanting to build my first custom, I splurged and recently picked up the Athena 1800 and 75, just for the CNC'd owl cause they're too cool.

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I have two Athena1800s and a new Athena75. They’re excellent. Also have a Neo98 and love it too, though I need to put better switches in it (I have Gateron Quinns in it now, and they’re fine but not terribly exciting).

I actually don’t have a Neo65 or Neo60. Sat them out for whatever reason. I do have two Neo70s which are great.

But I do have a Tofu TKL, a Tofu60 3.0 and a Tofu65 3.0 and they’re amazing. And a Tofu TKL R2 is on preorder.

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I can also strongly recommend Keycult, but they’re pretty much strictly available on group buys, so they’re hard to come by after the fact. And they’re much more expensive than any of the other ones I’ve mentioned.
 
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In will admit that the thin Kenchron is starting to interest me. I was over of Reddit reading up on the Neo, and the TKL keyboards. On person confessing he had over 300 keyboards stashed away!!! I thought I was bad with 10, 4 of them Keychrons. The report there on the thin Keychrons make me think of the one the Apple Keyboard had was the flat aspect it has on a desktop.
 
Groan!!! the Low profile Keychron is on sale. $29 USD discount on the K7 Max QMK. The Q5 doesn't either the HE keyboard also didn't have one it is a key I don't recall ever using and did not notice its absence. Amazon has this Keyboard in all the available switches for this sale price.

Keychron K17 Max QMK Wireless Custom Mechanical Keyboard​

★★★★★
(4)
SKU: K17M-H3
Sale price $86.24 Regular price$114.99

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In will admit that the thin Kenchron is starting to interest me. I was over of Reddit reading up on the Neo, and the TKL keyboards. On person confessing he had over 300 keyboards stashed away!!! I thought I was bad with 10, 4 of them Keychrons. The report there on the thin Keychrons make me think of the one the Apple Keyboard had was the flat aspect it has on a desktop.
In-person special interest-related 'clubs' don't seem as popular these days, given how we associate online, but if someone were in some modern-day tech.-related club, something that'd offer value to members would be an occasional 'keyboard convention.'

What I'm suggesting is, if there was a monthly (or a special) meeting, if a number of members brought one or more keyboards and particularly mechanical keyboards with a range of types of switches, they could share and people could get a first hand sense of what they would prefer to type on.

Because keyboards are subjective. Some people like low noise and some like the 'click-clack' experience. Some like tactile feedback. Some want more or less key travel. I've never typed on a board with Nuphy's 'Cowberry switches' (I don't even know what a cowberry is), so how would I compare that to the Gateron brown tactiles on our kid's keyboard? Or the various options I imagine Keychron offers?

I've seen YouTube influencer videos praising a chain named MicroCenter; if anyone from MicroCenter is listening, maybe a keyboard comparison 'island' in the store, where people can try a series of a mechanical keyboard with different switch types? No doubt a model the store can order for you...
 
I thought I was bad with 10, 4 of them Keychrons.
I've been in the keyboard hobby for over 8 years. I have 55 keyboards. Yeah, kind of obnoxious. To be fair, most are actually not particularly expensive, though I do tend to buy GMK keycaps almost exclusively lately, with some Drop MT3, PBTFans, Keykobo and SWG thrown in. Which means several of my completed & assembled keyboards have keycaps that were more expensive than the keyboard itself.

I've got 10 of them at the office (nothing terribly expensive goes just in case they disappear) and the rest at home. Six in current rotation are Keychrons - an original version Q1, an original Q60 HHKB, a Q5 Pro, a Q5 Max, an R3, and a V3 (outfitted with silent switches for when I need to be quiet). I have a few other Keychrons which have been retired and shelved as I'm unable to make them sound satisfactorily and/or they're entirely superfluous at present and have been replaced with better ones. I do have a Q6 Max which is decent and looks good (with KAM Superuser keycaps), but doesn't get much use given its enormous size.

The rest are made up by a few Nuphy offerings (two Gem80s, a Halo65v2, a Halo75v2, a Node100LP, and a Node75HP — good office boards), a batch of NovelKeys ClassicTKLs in various colors, two Qwertykeys Neo70s (sale too good to pass up), a Neo98, many KBDFans keyboards (Pavlov65, Boop Redux, Dusk67, Tofu60 2.0 HHKB, Tofu60 3.0 WK, Tofu65 3.0, TofuTKL, Agar, Agar Mini 40%, Athena75 and two Athena1800s), a Vortex M0110A, a Monsgeek M2, a pair of Smurve80s, a Bridge75, an Evo80 and a Crush80, a Command65, a couple of CannonKeys Bakeneko65s, a Tess65, an Omnikeys Bauer Lite, a Keycult-KeyMachine 1/65 Ext. 2048, a Keycult 2/65, an iNN Studio Flo-AT, an IV Works Umbra60 WKL, a GDK Labs NV70, an AKB ORG2 65XT... and others that I know I'm forgetting. Plus three others currently on group buy pending (eventual) delivery.

Some of those were expensive, but the majority are actually mid-range boards. Not really interested in the super-expensive ones — law of diminishing returns and all that.

I used to like to recommend Keychron Q-series and V-series as kind of a gateway drug, but their QC issues over the last couple years and their increasingly horrible customer support has really soured my experience. And with careful selection, there are other prebuilt and barebones offerings that can be just as good if not better. The one I often recommend currently is the NovelKeys Underscore edition of the ClassicTKL is a prebuilt TKL with a very high quality injection molded body, actual GMK CYL Classic beige keycaps, well-tuned Typeplus stabs, and their own custom smooth linear switches (NK Classic Blue) for $199. Full, native QMK/VIA supported with source code available. You can find cheaper, but not as well built and not with real double-shot GMK-branded keycaps. Their customer service puts everyone else to shame. And while parts are manufactured overseas, the small company itself is based here in the US (West Virginia). Good group of guys. And they're a Keycult vendor, FYI. The various Qwertykeys offerings are excellent, too, in terms of the value to quality ratio, but they are based overseas if that matters to you.
 
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We will soon find out about Keychron's customer service. Dropped them a note about the failure of the USB-C port of the Q5 HE that is not wireless. I understand it sits on a discrete board that includes the function switches and is connected with a ribbon cable. I am hoping they will send me a replacement.
 
I've been in the keyboard hobby for over 8 years. I have 55 keyboards. Yeah, kind of obnoxious. To be fair, most are actually not particularly expensive, though I do tend to buy GMK keycaps almost exclusively lately, with some Drop MT3, PBTFans, Keykobo and SWG thrown in. Which means several of my completed & assembled keyboards have keycaps that were more expensive than the keyboard itself.

I've got 10 of them at the office (nothing terribly expensive goes just in case they disappear) and the rest at home. Six in current rotation are Keychrons - an original version Q1, an original Q60 HHKB, a Q5 Pro, a Q5 Max, an R3, and a V3 (outfitted with silent switches for when I need to be quiet). I have a few other Keychrons which have been retired and shelved as I'm unable to make them sound satisfactorily and/or they're entirely superfluous at present and have been replaced with better ones. I do have a Q6 Max which is decent and looks good (with KAM Superuser keycaps), but doesn't get much use given its enormous size.

The rest are made up by a few Nuphy offerings (two Gem80s, a Halo65v2, a Halo75v2, a Node100LP, and a Node75HP — good office boards), a batch of NovelKeys ClassicTKLs in various colors, two Qwertykeys Neo70s (sale too good to pass up), a Neo98, many KBDFans keyboards (Pavlov65, Boop Redux, Dusk67, Tofu60 2.0 HHKB, Tofu60 3.0 WK, Tofu65 3.0, TofuTKL, Agar, Agar Mini 40%, Athena75 and two Athena1800s), a Vortex M0110A, a Monsgeek M2, a pair of Smurve80s, a Bridge75, an Evo80 and a Crush80, a Command65, a couple of CannonKeys Bakeneko65s, a Tess65, an Omnikeys Bauer Lite, a Keycult-KeyMachine 1/65 Ext. 2048, a Keycult 2/65, an iNN Studio Flo-AT, an IV Works Umbra60 WKL, a GDK Labs NV70, an AKB ORG2 65XT... and others that I know I'm forgetting. Plus three others currently on group buy pending (eventual) delivery.

Some of those were expensive, but the majority are actually mid-range boards. Not really interested in the super-expensive ones — law of diminishing returns and all that.

I used to like to recommend Keychron Q-series and V-series as kind of a gateway drug, but their QC issues over the last couple years and their increasingly horrible customer support has really soured my experience. And with careful selection, there are other prebuilt and barebones offerings that can be just as good if not better. The one I often recommend currently is the NovelKeys Underscore edition of the ClassicTKL is a prebuilt TKL with a very high quality injection molded body, actual GMK CYL Classic beige keycaps, well-tuned Typeplus stabs, and their own custom smooth linear switches (NK Classic Blue) for $199. Full, native QMK/VIA supported with source code available. You can find cheaper, but not as well built and not with real double-shot GMK-branded keycaps. Their customer service puts everyone else to shame. And while parts are manufactured overseas, the small company itself is based here in the US (West Virginia). Good group of guys. And they're a Keycult vendor, FYI. The various Qwertykeys offerings are excellent, too, in terms of the value to quality ratio, but they are based overseas if that matters to you.
I have been doing oversea orders for years. I find DHL is often faster then the other carriers. Shop is really taking the place of PayPal for me. It it is the e-commerce part of Shopify. One thing people don't realize is if you have a Amazon account in the US, you automatically have a account with all of the regional Amazons. If you want a really high end rice cooker go to Amazon JP the really good ones are not sold in the US. All you have to do to use one is get a 100 VAC adapter to plug into a North American power. The top end Zojirushi's can make the best meat loaf you have ever eaten.
 
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We will soon find out about Keychron's customer service. Dropped them a note about the failure of the USB-C port of the Q5 HE that is not wireless. I understand it sits on a discrete board that includes the function switches and is connected with a ribbon cable. I am hoping they will send me a replacement.
Do report back.
 
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Is your GMK MTNU 800 the R1 or R2?
I missed the R1 group buy, then with R2 I was determined to get it since the Atari 800 aesthetics is just smoking, but ultimately didn't buy since the cost of all sets was just too much.
Though later on I finally cave in my first MTNU set, the Mictlán Rebirth, partly due to its more reasonably stuffed base kit.

On the topic of Keychron, I feel that they have peaked when releasing the Q Max series, I was initially interested in the Q0 Max since at that time there were much fewer quality numpads available, then later on added the Q3 Max and Q1 Max. The overall quality is alright, but priced a bit too much compared to the other domestic Chinese brands that don't do much overseas exposures at that time. Then over the next 1 or 2 years those other brands quickly grew while Keychron kind of lagged behind. Now it is getting to the point of hard to recommend, except a few special layouts that seemingly only Keychron has ever made.

Nowadays I don't main Keychron boards as daily drivers anymore, at the moment in the office I am doing a mix of Vertex Intro S100 and a Luminkey80 Mk2, sometimes a Luminkey98 (southpaw). At home I have a Sumrve80 and a Luminkey65.
 
Is your GMK MTNU 800 the R1 or R2?
I missed the R1 group buy, then with R2 I was determined to get it since the Atari 800 aesthetics is just smoking, but ultimately didn't buy since the cost of all sets was just too much.
Though later on I finally cave in my first MTNU set, the Mictlán Rebirth, partly due to its more reasonably stuffed base kit.

On the topic of Keychron, I feel that they have peaked when releasing the Q Max series, I was initially interested in the Q0 Max since at that time there were much fewer quality numpads available, then later on added the Q3 Max and Q1 Max. The overall quality is alright, but priced a bit too much compared to the other domestic Chinese brands that don't do much overseas exposures at that time. Then over the next 1 or 2 years those other brands quickly grew while Keychron kind of lagged behind. Now it is getting to the point of hard to recommend, except a few special layouts that seemingly only Keychron has ever made.

Nowadays I don't main Keychron boards as daily drivers anymore, at the moment in the office I am doing a mix of Vertex Intro S100 and a Luminkey80 Mk2, sometimes a Luminkey98 (southpaw). At home I have a Sumrve80 and a Luminkey65.
The MTNU 800s are R2. I also missed out on R1.
Mictlan R2 is nice. I have a set as well. I'm huge MTNU fan and have several – WoB, Dolch, Modern Dolch Light, Classic Beige, Mictlan, Foundation, 800 R2, Skyriter, Copper R2, and Granite. And I've got Just on order.

The Smurve80 is great! I've got one at the office and one at home. Make sure you update to the most recent firmware - it fixes a couple of bugs found in the factory firmware. I had each of them become unresponsive after being plugged in for a few days. Hasn't happened since the firmware updates. I have HMX Retro J switches on one and Gateron Type-R switches on the other, each with GMK CYL keycaps. The Type-Rs win for feel but the Retro Js win for sound, at least on the Smurve.
 
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