I read that all major cities in germany have LTE. Not?
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Korean Carriers Reportedly Negotiating with Apple for 800/1800 MHz LTE Service on Next iPhone
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http://www.telegeography.com/produc...e-of-tds-urban-lte-network-reaches-50-cities/
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it barely works anywhere in those cities. take munich for example, they supposedely rolled it out a few months ago but it only works in a few blocks down town and voice doesnt work over lte yet either, it always switches back to 3G and like i said, not really affordable
I will be really disappointed if the next iPhone doesn't work on 4G here in Australia. Apple already lost a legal battle when they released the last iPad claiming 4G here (Wifi + 4G) it they do the same with the next iPhone it will prove they are out of touch. Just release a 2nd or 3rd model to work in those markets if they can't make one to work in all countries!
because LTE is initially started off as a pure packet data network that does not support circuit-switched voice telephony, hence the phone must downgrade to 3G network for legacy services before going back to LTE. This is known as circuit switched fall back (CSFB).
As an entirely new network requires massive $$$ in the radio-access part, carriers do not put voice telephony as their priority. They can however, implement VoLTE, or Voice over LTE, aka VoIP, and Integrated Messaging Services (IMS) when technology stabilitizes. But for now VoLTE and IMS implementations is very expensive, and no known carrier wants to be the first guinea pig to try out.
as the case of early adopters of new technologies, bugs are bound to happen, so cannot expect perfect network. equipment suppliers are pressured to make good all problems.
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GPRS is a packet service that will still be supported.
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Yupz, in fact the iPhone 4 antenna performance is below average in terms of sensitivity compared with other handsets, possibly as a design flaw for the steel band wrapping around the phone. The designers forgot to factor in the effects of human attenuation when the adjoining gaps are "shorted" by hands which effectively killed the incoming signal.
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Australia is out of touch. Apple is not the one ignoring the international telecommunication standards bodies.
How are we out of touch, we use the same frequencies as Korea and much of Europe. In fact the current iPad is actually quicker on our 3G network then it is on the '4G' networks in the US!
And the likes of Sansung already have 4G phones on sale here working at the much higher speeds. If they can do it why can't Apple?
Like Samsung's Infuse 4G and Motos Aitrix 4G which like the iPad 3rd Gen are 4G/HSPA+ devices per the United Nation's International Telecommunications Union?
Yet the AU people and government sue Apple for advertising the product for what it is... Very backwards twisted logic.
LOL..can you imagine the brick of a radio that would be required for that? There is a reason phones only support very specific frequencies and can only tune a very small amount within those said frequencies..
Heh! I was about to ask that... I don't remember the frequencies used by T-Mobile, but I do recall that I read somewhere that the new iPhone chipset was going to be able to support more frequencies, making it a global phone. Someone please clarify that. Thanks!
As far as HSPA+ 4G it won't matter. T-Mobile will be using the same frequency as AT&T for that by the end of this year. Meaning all iPhones will finally be compatible.
For LTE not sure if Apple will have support in place for T-Mobile's LTE-A network next year when it starts rolling out.
I thought so too until I realised that this is a much wider issue...
Depending on where you live those frequencies are used for many different purposes (like TV and Radio broadcasting, Police and Military Radio just to name a few) and are not standardised so...unless all those countries could get together and legislate a standardised use of all frequencies (yeah, seems likely
)...there's not much the carriers can do (well, apart from at least using the same tech on those frequencies...but gladly that is a problem we don't have in europe anymore)No when Apple listed them as WiFi + 4G most uninformed customers would assume 4G would work here, which it doesn't for the iPhone. Here consumer laws state you can't sell something in this country that clearly won't work here. It would be like Apple selling a computer that only runs on 120 volts not our 240 volt power system. Yes it still technically would work but it would be useless here.
Source? Everything I've read indicates iPhone 4S and iPad 3 works fine on Australian HSPA+ networks.
Who cares about the International Telecommunications Board when the Australian Consumer Protection is going with the fact that it has to have significantly faster speeds than 3G that is currently available here to be called 4G. I can get just over 20Mbps on HSPA+ in Aus and we call that 3G. If Apple can only support what has always been marketed to consumers as 3G, Consumer Protection won't let them call it 4G and influence sales when Telstra is the first 4G network we have and has been public advertised it as an LTE network, that is what consumers will expect to use on 4G devices here in Aus.
On that note, I'm hoping they will support the 1800Mhz spectrum for us as by the end of the year we'll have 2 telcos using that spectrum with LTE until next year when the 700Mhz spectrum is sold, and then who knows how long before our telcos will include it as they've already got a head start with 1800Mhz.
Wow! 1.5 Watt! And that antenna was huge too.
Considering that the last time I checked CB radios were allowed to have a maximum power of 5 Watts, I would say this ad is from many, many years ago...
[After some research...)
Actually, it's a E.F. Johnson Personal Messenger Walkie Talkie MFRD in Apr. 1964, so it's from 48 years ago. I thought it was from the 50s.
Certain telecommunications companies in the US might market their HSPA+ networks as 4g but in Australia the situation is different. HSPA+ is not marketed as 4g. It is sold as 3g. I understnad that technically HSPA+ is 4g by definition but the 'carriers' here are not labelling their 3g networks as 4g networks just over that technicality. The consumers here would consider would not be happy with a mere relabelling of the network on the basis of a change in the definition of 4g by the ITU.
The telcos here give is what they call 4g on a completely different frequency network and they give us hspa+ on the old 3g network.
Apple with the new ipad sold marketed their product as wifi+4g. there is no doubt in any aussie mind that 4g here means 1800frequency network serviced by Telstra which they market as 4g and not the hspa+ which is called 3g by telstra.
Apple was sneaky and they got caught out. I still bought the new ipad because i needed an upgrade from the original ipad but the guy at the store was still calling it a 4g device stating that australia is so backwards while the rest of the world has already embraced 4g becauase hspa+ is technically 4g. Yeah right! The US is backwards relabelling their 3g networks as 4g.
If Australia would get with this decade, with the rest of the world, with the United Nations... Apple wouldn't have had a problem branding a 4G device as 4G.
It's all on the Australian authorities and carriers' heads for confusing consumers
This decade? I guess technically you are right. The 4G definition was only changed 2 years ago.
But the 3G network was setup years before that. I actually take my hats off to our telecommunications companies for being reasonable and keeping their 3G networks labelled as 3G and not re-branding them as 4G just because of a change in the definition of it.
The problem though is not that Aussies call your 4G as 3G but with Apple knowing this so well tried to fool the Aussie consumer.
Everything Everywhere gets 4G go-ahead from Ofcom
From the BBC website (21 August 2012)
4G will provide super-fast broadband to mobiles
Telecoms regulator Ofcom has allowed Everything Everywhere, the owner of the Orange and T-Mobile networks, to use its existing bandwidth to launch fourth-generation (4G) mobile services.
The move means 4G could launch in the UK earlier than previously planned.
Ofcom said the move would deliver "significant benefits" to consumers that outweigh any competition concerns.
Ofcom plans to auction 4G bandwidth, which allows much faster downloads, to other providers next year.
Everything Everywhere will be allowed to offer 4G services from 11 September.
But, as the regulator pointed out, the timing will be a commercial decision for the company itself.
Ofcom said delaying the company from launching 4G would be "to the detriment of consumers".
Mobile phone networks will be allowed to bid for 4G bandwidth early next year.
The auction will offer the equivalent of three-quarters of the mobile spectrum currently in use - some 80% more than released in the 3G auction which took place in 2000.
Ofcom wants to see at least four wholesalers of 4G mobile services, so that consumers will benefit from better services at lower prices.
The auction will sell chunks of radio spectrum to support 4G, which will allow users to download data such as music and videos at much faster speeds.
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Is it a coincidence that it launches the day before the Apple iPhone announcement?
and that they will be using the 1800MHz spectrum?
hmmm
Nig
From the BBC website (21 August 2012)
4G will provide super-fast broadband to mobiles
Telecoms regulator Ofcom has allowed Everything Everywhere, the owner of the Orange and T-Mobile networks, to use its existing bandwidth to launch fourth-generation (4G) mobile services.
The move means 4G could launch in the UK earlier than previously planned.
Ofcom said the move would deliver "significant benefits" to consumers that outweigh any competition concerns.
Ofcom plans to auction 4G bandwidth, which allows much faster downloads, to other providers next year.
Everything Everywhere will be allowed to offer 4G services from 11 September.
But, as the regulator pointed out, the timing will be a commercial decision for the company itself.
Ofcom said delaying the company from launching 4G would be "to the detriment of consumers".
Mobile phone networks will be allowed to bid for 4G bandwidth early next year.
The auction will offer the equivalent of three-quarters of the mobile spectrum currently in use - some 80% more than released in the 3G auction which took place in 2000.
Ofcom wants to see at least four wholesalers of 4G mobile services, so that consumers will benefit from better services at lower prices.
The auction will sell chunks of radio spectrum to support 4G, which will allow users to download data such as music and videos at much faster speeds.
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Is it a coincidence that it launches the day before the Apple iPhone announcement?
and that they will be using the 1800MHz spectrum?
hmmm
Nig
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