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I was referring to single core and multi core CPU, not GPU scores. I'm guessing with active cooling the peak will be more sustainable too.

I purposely disclosed that half-precision was a known issue for the GPU-part when it comes to Geekbench x-platform comparison.

X-platform comparisons are always problematic as most of the benchmarks are not supported, actually only the ones written in Metal (as well) are. Unfortunately most programs are not native Metal.

The thermal part is true, sustained loads will be easier to load. It will help to combat the Rosetta 2 overhead however big it will be.
 
Do you really think so? What would you adjust the price to be?
It could consider exchange rate and diminishing profit margins. I can't see a Mac Mini being sold in Brazil in the next months. For example, it's like seeing a Mini at $1000 at the Apple Store and in the next day it costs $1500 after the pandemics. Although Apple is proceeding the right way thinking on marginalist theory, it's perhaps not wise considering the aggregate Apple services they're not selling, like Music, iCloud and so on.
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If they put that 5300 and/or a 5500 gpu in it...would make a big difference to it. And after two years...it got a ssd bump and no 8 core option? At least make it compelling for the price.
To me, things get worse considering the exchange rate bump caused by the pandemics. In USA, perhaps there is no change in the perceivable price for employed people, but here in Brazil, Mac prices got a bump of around 40-50% after the pandemics due to exchange rate worsening (it was 1USD=3.8BRL; now it's around 1USD=5.5BRL).
 
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I was hoping for a 14" Intel MacBook Pro.
Me too at the time. But had I splurged on one, I wonder whether how I’d be feeling now, 6 months later, about happiness over a 14” intel MBP or a 13” M1 MBA...

Actually, I prefer a 14” M-next-gen. Just bought a base M1 Mac Mini to start getting turned over to Big Sur and apple silicon, to bridge the gap between now & then.
 
The iMac sits on a desk. Who cares how large the bezels are? It doesn’t go into a backpack regardless. I even prefer large bezels on the iMac as that gives more space for air flow and lowers the temperature. The MBP 16” can’t even run an external display without heating up, I’d never want that ****** thermals in my iMac.
If I had an iMac, I would care, since I run multiple monitors placed side-by-side, and the less side-bezel that interrupts the eye as it moves from one screen to another, the better. Plus I would think you could easily compensate for the thermal effect of reduced bezels by making the back a bit thicker, thus retaining the same volume.

As for the aesthetics, while I don't think people should get militant about it, I don't think there is anything wrong with having a strong preference for a thin-bezel aesthetic. Everyone (nearly) has some area in which they have an aesthetic preference. Maybe one guy cares about industrial design for computers, but doesn't care about the design of his car; while the next guy is the opposite. À chacun son goût.
 
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The Macbook was a much hated system by many. Too small, underpowered, and with the worst of the butterfly keyboards. I think Apple wants to forget it and the Jony Ive days running the Mac Division
Hmm, home-office today. Writing this from a 2017 MB 12 i7 16gb, and it feels deeply offended.

I love my MB10,1!
I think a Geekbench score of 856/1529 is decent. The HD 615 with a score of 4076 is nothing impressive, but even my quick Adobe thing here and there works. Sure, photo stacking with >20 RAW files is better done on my Mac Pro with plenty of memory and compute... but even this is doable!

It is clearly the more interesting device than the MBA, which now barely differentiates from the MBP.
As a digital nomade I would immeditely buy a 12" M1 with preferably 32gb of ram, 1tb ssd and a FHD Facetime camera.
By making the bezel thinner, this could easily become the new 13", whereas the 13" becomes the 14"...
 
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Hmm, home-office today. Writing this from a 2017 MB 12 i7 16gb, and it feels deeply offended.

I love my MB10,1!
I think a Geekbench score of 856/1529 is decent. The HD 615 with a score of 4076 is nothing impressive, but even my quick Adobe thing here and there works. Sure, photo stacking with >20 RAW files is better done on my Mac Pro with plenty of memory and compute... but even this is doable!

It is clearly the more interesting device than the MBA, which now barely differentiates from the MBP.
As a digital nomade I would immeditely buy a 12" M1 with preferably 32gb of ram, 1tb ssd and a FHD Facetime camera.
By making the bezel thinner, this could easily become the new 13", whereas the 13" becomes the 14"...
I am going to eat my words on the small Mac systems, at least the MB Air M1. I just ordered one! But, I still might trade the Air for the 14" M1/2 system. Apple Silicon changes everything!
 
By some rumors I saw on youtube M processor for for Pro Machines will be different to one used in Pro laptops.

So it is possible that M2 name will be for successor of M1 and M1X and desktop chip will have different naming. D as desktop or P as Pro? Or put your guess. Will fit to iMac Pro, Mac Pro and rumored Mac Pro mini. All other can be on M or MX variant.
 
Hmm, home-office today. Writing this from a 2017 MB 12 i7 16gb, and it feels deeply offended.

I love my MB10,1!
I think a Geekbench score of 856/1529 is decent. The HD 615 with a score of 4076 is nothing impressive, but even my quick Adobe thing here and there works. Sure, photo stacking with >20 RAW files is better done on my Mac Pro with plenty of memory and compute... but even this is doable!

It is clearly the more interesting device than the MBA, which now barely differentiates from the MBP.
As a digital nomade I would immeditely buy a 12" M1 with preferably 32gb of ram, 1tb ssd and a FHD Facetime camera.
By making the bezel thinner, this could easily become the new 13", whereas the 13" becomes the 14"...
For sure, I'm still on a 2017 MB 12", and love it for couch work. I also hook it up to my 4K monitor for desk work, and it performs admirably. Saying that, I've been itching for something with a bit more guts, but haven't been able to bring myself to replacing my 0.92kg MB with a 1.29kg MBA; 40% heavier is no small deal, as some people try to make it seem.

I've purchased an M1 Mini to use solely for desk work, and I'm keeping my 12" MB for couch work, which is my version of a iPad alternative.

I agree with what you're saying about the Air & 13" MBP barely differentiating from each other, I've thought that in the past but with the M1 it's ridiculous, especially when the 4-thunderbolt version of the 13" MBP gets released next year.

I'm hoping that Tim & co revisits the 12" Macbook in some fashion. I don't think it'll ever go down to 0.92kg again, or at least not in the near future, because they probably think that too many compromises were made to make it that weight (and a large number of users echo that feeling, apart from us 12"-nutters eh!). I think they'll only go down to that weight again when it's without compromise, in line with the next new technology such as the next big thing to evolve from li-ion battery technology. On a side-point, I always thought that it wouldn't surprise me for that to be Apple's next "big thing", by revolutionizing the battery industry.

I think they'll revisit the 12" form factor, but expand into the bezels to make it a 13" Macbook. That'll either be the 13" Air, or they'll also expand the bezels of the Air to make it a 14" Air. But for me, I think it'd be a perfect lineup to be:

13" Macbook Air around 1.1kg
14" Macbook Pro
16" Macbook Pro

And of course, maybe naming variations to the above and different iterations, such as 2-thunderbolt, touchbar etc. But until they come out with a Macbook / MBA that's south of 1.1kg, I'll keep my 2017 12" Macbook, even if it's til the end of it's life.
 
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I don't see a point for 14.1" size unless they can really make it fit in the current 13.3" chassis and I doubt they can't.
From seeing other manufacturers notebooks there is usually considerable chassis size difference between 13.3" vs 14".
I have Asus Zenbook 14" and it is much larger than my MBA or MBP 13.3" was.
So why increase the size of the smaller one and make it less portable friendly? I think those who want bigger and less portable machine will go with the 16" anyway. That's what I would do if I wanted bigger than 13.3" which in my opinion is the perfect compromise.
 
Well, I’ve decided. I’m going to wait for an MBP 16” M2 version (or whatever it’s called) because I want a larger screen. I’d be happy with 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD and the current M1 chip but want more screen real estate. Ideally, it would just just be a larger version of the MacBook Air...perhaps a 16” small-bezel screen shoehorned into the smallest body they could fit it into. And more battery too. That would be perfect for my needs!
 
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I don't see a point for 14.1" size unless they can really make it fit in the current 13.3" chassis and I doubt they can't.
From seeing other manufacturers notebooks there is usually considerable chassis size difference between 13.3" vs 14".
I have Asus Zenbook 14" and it is much larger than my MBA or MBP 13.3" was.
So why increase the size of the smaller one and make it less portable friendly? I think those who want bigger and less portable machine will go with the 16" anyway. That's what I would do if I wanted bigger than 13.3" which in my opinion is the perfect compromise.
I disagree, but each to their own reasoning. I think the way that the laptop market and technology is shifting, reducing the bezel size is inevitable. Maybe not Dell XPS size, but a reduction for sure. It goes in line with contemporary design, such as seen on phones, TVs and interfaces.

I also think with them expanding the 15.4" to 16", the transition from 13.3" to 14" is inevitable. It just seems nice, clean and "Apple". The 13.3" is 1.4kg at the moment, so even if they didn't go full-XPS on the bezels, it'll still be south of 1.5kg I imagine, which gives it breathing room between that and the 2.0kg 16" MBP.

I think with the Pro machines, the smaller Pro is the "portable Pro", and the large Pro is the "Desk Pro". Yes, as you say there will be people in the small-Pro market who won't appreciate any extra weight whatsoever. But, there will also be a large number I imagine who will appreciate a little more screen real estate for a fraction extra weight. It's not the case of "Right, I might as well go full-Pro and get the 16-inch", there's a world of weight difference between 1.4kg (or a little extra, if they increase the weight slightly) and 2.0kg. I think that they'd both still be nicely in different camps.

And that'd allow for a 12.5"-13" MBA. They might marry the exact same screen from the 12.9" iPad Pro, to streamline their supply line (I'm not a tech guru, so if that doesn't make sense, apologies). If the lets-say-12.9in-MBA was in the same (or just slightly larger) form factor as the 12" Macbook, I'd imagine that it'd be around 1.1kg, given that it'd be a little chunkier to allow for a proper keyboard and internals to have 2 x 40gbps Thunderbolt ports. The butterfly keyboard and single-10gbps-port are two of the "lets never go back to that" compromises that I don't Apple would take again.

Tim & Co's approach is very much of a perfect formula of innovation whilst still appealing to the masses on an industrial scale. Striking down the middle whilst still raising the bar. So, whilst they won't go back to the cavalier risk-taking of Jobs & Ive, I think the fact of the "Air" barely distinguishing itself from the Pro (7.9% lighter, c'mon!) will be an itch that they need to scratch. Personally, I think they're busting to bang-on again about how ridiculously light their lightest laptop is, but any talk of lightness has to be almost tongue-in-cheek at the moment. Pushing the Air and Pro away from each other slightly would give them this sales pitch again.

All of this is speculation though, so what you're saying is just as valid as my thought-process.
 
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I also think with them expanding the 15.4" to 16", the transition from 13.3" to 14" is inevitable. It just seems nice, clean and "Apple". The 13.3" is 1.4kg at the moment, so even if they didn't go full-XPS on the bezels, it'll still be south of 1.5kg I imagine, which gives it breathing room between that and the 2.0kg 16" MBP.
Of course it is matter of opinion but it is inevitable that size will increase from 13.3" to 14", not just weight.
Many manufacturers have both 13.3" and 14" models in their product lines because of that, just take a look at Zenbooks. There is considerable size difference. I have had both 13.3" Air 2018 and Pro 2019 and I also have Zenbook 14" and the difference in size is "huge", even they weight about the same. My Zenbook just looks big and clumsy compared to 13.3" Macbooks.

So in my opinion, if Apple really want to offer 14" models they should also keep the smaller ones is production, unless they can really offer 14" model in the same footprint as the current 13.3" but I don't think it is possible. Just take a look at Pro 15.4 and 16" there is considerable difference in size, and so is in new iPhone 12 6.1" vs previous 5.8".
 
I think they'll revisit the 12" form factor, but expand into the bezels to make it a 13" Macbook. That'll either be the 13" Air, or they'll also expand the bezels of the Air to make it a 14" Air. But for me, I think it'd be a perfect lineup to be:

13" Macbook Air around 1.1kg
14" Macbook Pro
16" Macbook Pro

And of course, maybe naming variations to the above and different iterations, such as 2-thunderbolt, touchbar etc. But until they come out with a Macbook / MBA that's south of 1.1kg, I'll keep my 2017 12" Macbook, even if it's til the end of it's life.
Just yesterday I dreamed how relaxing would be 15" Macbook Air for my eyes and and common tasks.
 
What's the most likely release date for the revised MacBook Pros then, June 2021?
 
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