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Rumors suggest that Apple will use the upcoming Worldwide Developers Conference to unveil its long-rumored AR/VR headset, and according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the device's introduction will mark an important milestone in Apple's efforts to persuade investors that it will sell.

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Concept render based on purported leaked information by Ian Zelbo

"Apple's announcement event is likely the last hope for convincing investors that the AR/MR headset device could have a chance to be the next star product in consumer electronics," Kuo wrote in a Medium article estimating upcoming virtual reality headset sales from Sony and Meta.

With Sony cutting production plans for the PS VR2 and an estimated 300,000 product lifecycle shipments for the Meta Quest Pro, Kuo believes there is "insufficient evidence" to indicate that AR/VR headsets can become the next major thing in consumer electronics.

As the unveiling of the AR/VR approaches, there has been growing skepticism that Apple will introduce a product that people actually want to buy. In late March, The New York Times cited Apple employees who were concerned about the usefulness and the price point of the headset. Some questioned whether the device is a "solution in search of a problem," unlike the iPhone and the iPad. There are also worries that it is not "driven by the same clarity" as other Apple devices.

Apple CEO Tim Cook earlier this week said that there have been "loads of skeptics" with everything that the company has done, but that Apple has succeeded anyway. "If you do something that's on edge, it will always have skeptics," he said. Cook said that Apple is "not interested in putting together pieces of somebody else's stuff," and that in markets it enters, the company wants to "control the primary technology."

While Kuo suggested in late March that Apple's AR/VR headset might not make an appearance at WWDC because Apple had pushed back its mass production timeline, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman on Sunday said that Apple still plans to announce the device during the WWDC 2023 keynote. Kuo has not walked back his delay suggestion, and his note today does not include a timeline for Apple's event.

Rumors indicate that the AR/VR headset will use 4K micro-OLED displays, dozens of cameras for capturing everything from a user's surroundings to their gestures and facial expressions, a lightweight, comfortable fit facilitated by an external battery, and a focus communication software.

A full rundown on what we know about Apple's plans for the AR/VR headset, which could be called the "Reality Pro," can be found in our roundup.

Article Link: Kuo: Apple's AR/VR Headset Announcement is 'Last Hope' for Persuading Investors It Will Be the Next 'Star Product'
 
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With the negative leaks and the rumored high price tag, I’m not optimistic about this product. I hope Apple doesn’t ship something that is half baked just because they’ve spent a lot of time/money on it.

Don’t force it unless it’s really ready to go.
 
The fundamental design flaw of VR is that it blocks off vision.

No one wants to have their vision blocked off. It's not a viable concept. It will NEVER be viable.

Half the people are going to get dizzy, the other half are gonna knock over things and get injured.

Atari went through these concepts back in the 90's when they were developing a VR headset for their Jaguar game console. They ultimately gave up because of the injury liability problems.

Anyone that thinks VR will happen just isn't a smart product designer.
 
Without a killer app and a clear use case— and I mean like, REALLY killer — it absolutely will not. The general public isn’t interested in buying one of these and then figuring out what to do with it. Same problem with Google Glass or Snapchat Spectacles from five years ago, and those were way cheaper than $3K. I can see a vision of this for gaming or content consumption but hanging out in the metaverse isn’t gonna cut it.
 
With the negative leaks and the rumored high price tag, I’m not optimistic about this product. I hope Apple doesn’t ship something that is half baked just because they’ve spent a lot of time/money on it.

Don’t force it unless it’s really ready to go.
I don’t think Apple is forcing it. They are running out of time. I believe AR/VR was the big thing a few years ago. It was booming during Covid. However, now it has become a niche product and Apple is going to release it in a Niche Market. It's gimmicky! Fun for the first 5-10 minutes after that it gets old.
 
Headline of this post makes it sound like Kuo is talking specifically about Apple’s version of this product type (“It”), and the introduction being the last chance for investors to be won over by the new device.

But instead, Kuo seems to be saying Apple’s product is the last chance for the product type as a whole (the article refers to shipments of competitor products in the same category).
 
The fundamental design flaw of VR is that it blocks off vision.

No one wants to have their vision blocked off. It's not a viable concept. It will NEVER be viable.

Half the people are going to get dizzy, the other half are gonna knock over things and get injured.

Atari went through these concepts back in the 90's for their Jaguar. They ultimately gave up because of the liability problems.

Anyone that thinks VR will happen just isn't a smart product designer.
What is it with this website? Apple is not making a VR device. They are making an AR device. A different thing entirely.

How many years of Cook saying in interviews and financial calls that *AR* is a specific area of interest does it take for people to understand they’re not making a VR headset for the center of the known universe, gamers?
 
Apple's announcement event is likely the last hope for convincing investors that the AR/MR headset device could have a chance to be the next star product in consumer electronics," Kuo wrote in a Medium article estimating upcoming virtual reality headset sales from Sony and Meta.
We never established that its a AR/MR headset, it could be just AR glasses or something else. All based on rumors that Tim Cook didn't want admit to anything in his recent interview. The reality headset term sounds almost from the days of reality distortion field from Star Trek.
 
I can see this serving hyper niche, mostly business related, use cases. Tim's most recent comments on AR/VR worry me that there's a lot of group think going on in Apple about this. That's what Steve was so good at avoiding. He managed to cut though the group think and say "This will change people's lives", or "This is crap."

At the end of the day, I just don't see people lining up to buy a AR/VR headset. If 25 years from now we can do AR/VR in a contact lens, maybe ... but not with goggles.
 
With the negative leaks and the rumored high price tag, I’m not optimistic about this product. I hope Apple doesn’t ship something that is half baked just because they’ve spent a lot of time/money on it.

Don’t force it unless it’s really ready to go.

To be honest when was the last time a first gen Apple product hadn't launched half baked? The first gen curse has always been a thing

  • 1st gen iMac came with this meme of a mouse:
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  • 1st gen iPod could only be used on macOS. Windows support didn't come until a year later
  • 1st gen iPhone launched without copy+paste and without an app store, and used 2G which was slow as hell
  • 1st gen Intel Macs were slow as hell and quickly replaced
  • 1st gen iPad had no cameras
  • 1st gen Apple Watch wasn't water resistant
  • 1st gen AirPods couldn't use Siri through voice and also had high audio latency
  • 1st gen HomePod was hilariously overpriced
  • Apple Card launched without credit reporting, and it's application process was incredibly bad with hardly anyone being able to get the card
  • 1st gen Apple Silicon Macs had bluetooth connectivity issues
There's always growing pains when Apple releases a new product category, but they won't learn until they actually launch it, give a post mortem, then release a refresh shortly after that fixes those problems and make it a product people want. It's always 2nd Gen where they get their footing and when the product really kicks off.

Apple Reality will have it's problems no doubt, the lack of software, the absurd price tag, the lack of PCVR compatibility, but until the thing actually launches we won't know what will happen. Remember everyone thought the iPhone was gonna be a flop because it had no buttons and an absurd price tag being $500 (when most phones back then rarely passed $200) and despite that it roared off the shelves and a year later they released the iPhone 3G that slashed the price in half. Give it time.

(God damn I've become an Apple evangelist)
 
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Do I hold my Apple stock or sell it before any more news comes out 😕

Maybe a straddle options play would be the best since I think whatever happens it will be big in one direction. 🧐
 
The fundamental design flaw of VR is that it blocks off vision.

No one wants to have their vision blocked off. It's not a viable concept. It will NEVER be viable.
I agree. I don't see VR as having widespread appeal to consumers. AR, on the other hand, could be useful if done right. For instance, imagine having a floating arrow guiding you to your destination in an unfamiliar city. Or you pick up / look at an object, and information about the object is displayed in your AR view. It shouldn't block vision, but argument it by adding information. However, doing this well would be very difficult, and require a lot of thoughtful design.
 
"Help me, Apple-1 Kenobi. You're my only hope..." ;)

AR may be great someday. (Then again, that's what they said about 3D TV, right?).

Honestly, I don't think I'm interested. Maybe some AR on my phone, or glasses in the future, but goggles? It will take a lot to convince me. A lot.
 
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