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So, they increased the 15" MacBook Pro to 16", and then next year they release a 16" mini-LED.

I wonder what the difference is with the 13". They left it at 13", and then next it's a 14" mini-LED?

That mini led iPad is what I’m holding out for
11" too hopefully. I have exactly zero interest in a 12.9" model.

Sounds awesome but I wonder what the failure rate is since it is 10,000 LEDs.
Probably much lower than the rate of stuck pixels on those 3K 16" screens.
 
If mini LED is really so good, I wonder why Samsung and Co have not deployed it in their flagships yet? They should be able to make anything screen-related, so why not come out with an actual mini LED device? Is it too expensive or too complicated, or both?
A mini LED screen on the scale of an iPad is not that expensive. Scale it up to a 16 inch screen and it costs quite a bit more. If you scale it up to an 80 inch screen, it probably costs more than a house, but less than a private jet.
 
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Future mini-LED displays will use approximately 10,000 LEDs, with each one below 200 microns in size. Mini-LED displays will allow for thinner and lighter product designs, while offering many of the same benefits of OLED displays used on the latest iPhones, including good wide color gamut performance, high contrast and dynamic range, and local dimming for truer blacks.

Did Ming at any point said this himself? ( Or is this made up by the Media again ) 10,000 LEDs? AFAIA aware the current Mini-LED in production aren't those size at all and nothing on the roadmap shows those are being mass manufactured. I mean the Pro XDR has ˜500, some of the best one has ˜1000, with a few more coming in a few years time at ˜2000+. All these are 30" Display size, you are talking way less on Laptop Size Display.

If mini LED is really so good, I wonder why Samsung and Co have not deployed it in their flagships yet? They should be able to make anything screen-related, so why not come out with an actual mini LED device? Is it too expensive or too complicated, or both?

Do you mean Phone or laptop? Mini-LED ( the backlight tech ) is still LCD ( The display panel type ) and suitable for Laptop, and Desktop where you have icons remain in the same place and usage pattern and time tends to be a lot longer. With OLED you will suffer some form of burn in, which is now manageable on a Phone, but not so much on laptop / desktop yet.
 
Any experts here who can explain why that is, and how many LDZs we can expect from 10,000 LEDs (therefore how much halo effect we can expect)?

Not an expert, but TCL's mini LED 4K TVs have around 1,000 zones with 25,000 mini LEDs. Would that be directly comparable to what Apple would do? That's hard to say.
 
A mini LED screen on the scale of an iPad is not that expensive. Scale it up to a 16 inch screen and it costs quite a bit more. If you scale it up to an 80 inch screen, it probably costs more than a house, but less than a private jet.
I can't tell if you're joking or not, but large mini-LED TV screens currently are already for sale at mainstream prices, up to at least 75" last I checked. Less than $3000 bucks MSRP for a 75", which is a lot less than a 77" OLED TV.
 
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At this point I’m not trusting any of Apple’s new laptop technology “innovations”.
Touchbar, Keyboard, T2 chip, all fails.

I don’t need my screen going out after a couple years of use because I’m “using it wrong”

Just give us a decent retina display with a higher refresh rate

No doubt, touchbar is much less problematic that can be further improved.

We rejected the idea of soldered NVMe and RAM in a laptop that is more troublesome. Apple is not respecting the right to repair laws and responsible for e-waste pollution by not abiding the norm for offering user-replaceable.
 
I’ll stick to my 10th gen 13 inch MacBook Pro I just got for now! Tech should mature and be cheaper definitely by mid 2020s.
Would you recommend to still get the 13 inch 10 gen and then later upgrade to the 14" if it comes out later?
I hope they dont come out with it by the end of the year.
 
mini-LED is the lunch break on the road trip to micro-LED. Wake me up when we have a micro-LED (Or OLED with burn in figured out) iPad/Mac
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MiniLED is not an OLED replacement. MicroLED is. MiniLED does not have true black and there will still be blooming. I think it’s wrong to sell it as such.
Because OLED is better and they are already using that
 
I don’t really know what’s confusing about it, Micro is smaller than Mini and the smaller the display technology, the more gets packed into it, in turn, creating a more complex and superior display. I expect we may get NanoLED in the future.

wow

seriously?

irony you haz it
 
Well, even more reason to keep my Early 2015 MBP and not upgrade anytime soon. I just wonder what the world is gonna look like a year from now, but we are thinking about stuff that might truly end up getting pushed out even further if we don’t get a vaccine.
 
We rejected the idea of soldered NVMe and RAM in a laptop that is more troublesome. Apple is not respecting the right to repair laws and responsible for e-waste pollution by not abiding the norm for offering user-replaceable.
It’s been 8 years since the Retina MBP. People know that their devices aren’t user-repairable. Look how smartphones dumped swappable batteries.

People should also be educated not to dump electronics in landfills.
 
THE rumor I mostly care about. I wanna buy 11" iPad Pro A14X miniLED.

I planned to buy the 2020 iPad Pro 11 until the announcement (the only iPad which did not get a new processor). I might still get it if the update is far, but it is painful..
 
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A mini LED screen on the scale of an iPad is not that expensive. Scale it up to a 16 inch screen and it costs quite a bit more. If you scale it up to an 80 inch screen, it probably costs more than a house, but less than a private jet.

You have it the other way around.

Making a large mini-LED display is easy and cheap. TVs based on mini-LED have been available since last year.

Making a small mini-LED display is expensive.
 
If mini LED is really so good, I wonder why Samsung and Co have not deployed it in their flagships yet? They should be able to make anything screen-related, so why not come out with an actual mini LED device? Is it too expensive or too complicated, or both?

Same reason as always -- they let Apple perform the actual innovation (eg figure out the optimal way to use these new screens in terms of the phone's appearance, plus figure out the optimal way to tweak them for calibration and power) then copy what Apple did.

Get angry if you like, but ultimately it works for everyone. Apple takes the risk, and gets most of the profit; meanwhile everyone else gets nicer screens at a cheaper price, just delayed by a year or so.
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There is no such thing called miniLED display as you would not call your Mac or iPhone 11’s display an LED display.

miniLED refers to the BACKLIGHTING.
Look at the most advanced LCD TVs. They have from 200 to 800 "dimming zones". Dimming zones are individual LEDs (or clusters of LEDs) that provide backlighting for just that part of the screen, meaning that you get less bleed from a bright part of the screen to a dark part of the screen.
Presumably the goal is to ramp this up from ~800 to ~10,000, reducing bleeding a lot further.
But obviously to get there you need a whole bunch of details, like
- how to manufacture the LED array and route power to each LED
- how to manufacture a diffuser that doesn't bleed light across zones
 
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Same reason as always -- they let Apple perform the actual innovation (eg figure out the optimal way to use these new screens in terms of the phone's appearance, plus figure out the optimal way to tweak them for calibration and power) then copy what Apple did.

Get angry if you like, but ultimately it works for everyone. Apple takes the risk, and gets most of the profit; meanwhile everyone else gets nicer screens at a cheaper price, just delayed by a year or so.

Is that why Samsung introduced OLED in their Galaxy smartphones nearly a decade before Apple did?

The reality is, Samsung is betting on micro-LED and skipping mini-LED.
 
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Is that why Samsung introduced OLED in their Galaxy smartphones nearly a decade before Apple did?

The reality is, Samsung is betting on micro-LED and skipping mini-LED.

Was OLED that great when Samsung introduced it?
I remember plenty of complaints about Pentile for years, followed by the various curved edge gimmicks that pretty much everyone hated.

Meanwhile Apple concentrated on, first Retina, then serious calibration, and year after year people generally agreed that their screens were the best for most purposes (unless you were seriously interested in proving some point, insisting that AMOLED's big feature, contrast, was by far the most important aspect of a screen).

I'd say the AMOLED story confirms my point. SS had the tech, but didn't know how to use it OPTIMALLY, and basically floundered for years without a model to guide them.
 
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