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Kuo: Apple's Work on 5G Modem Chip 'Failed,' Qualcomm to Remain Supplier for 2023 iPhones
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Maybe they are just this close to making it, tech always advances, someone’s not bringing their A game yet.
Depends if it lives up to its potential or just continues to mimic LTE in most places.
The Wright Brothers are credited with inventing flight for the same reason Thomas Edison is credited with inventing the lightbulb— because of self promotion and the fact that people (as evident in this conversation already) love the myth of a lone genius.
When Tesla had pennies on the dollar of established auto companies, they did a few percent of what established auto companies did. One, low production volume car.
I missed the point? It seems like your point just paraphrased me:
Sure, if you consider $187 million of investment followed by a half billion dollar government loan nothing…
Bahaha. Oh I need that sweatshirt.It's more common than you think. Wifi scrubs are everywhere. It's why it's your duty to set them straight and clown on them when they refuse.
So looks like the underlying issue is a legal one, not a technical one: Apple's current 5G modem design appears to directly infringe upon two Qualcomm patents.
Apple was hoping these two patents would be invalidated by the US courts, but instead they were upheld all the way to the Supreme Court. So Qualcomm has a very high chance of winning a patent infringement suit against Apple if Apple went forward with shipping their existing 5G modem design.
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Apple was hoping these two patents would be invalidated by the US courts, but instead they were upheld all the way to the Supreme Court. So Qualcomm has a very high chance of winning a patent infringement suit against Apple if Apple went forward with shipping their existing 5G modem design.
Apple not releasing their own 5G Modem Chip relates to a long standing patent battle with Qualcomm and not because of a development failure
On Monday, Patently Apple posted a report titled “U.S. Supreme Court won’t hear Apple’s bid to Revive the Qualcomm patent Challenge, Pleasing the White House.” Apple not releasing their own 5G Modem is directly tied to their patent battle with Qualcomm and for no other reason.
Lessons from rejection of Apple's cert petition against Qualcomm: PTAB IPR can backfire depending on specific terms of patent license
The Supreme Court denies petitions for writ of certiorari without stating the reasons. It has more important things to do. In the Apple v. Q...
The headline and story is pure hyperbole. Apple was never going to clean room design a modem without Qualcomm IP/Patents. Apple went to the mats on this legally and Qualcomm and Apple kissed and made up (Apple has licenced both the IP and the modem use (Qualcomm get's their money either way). The only thing Apple wants to do is integrate the modem onto the die with memory, CPU, GPU and other custom processor cores to cut power draw more than can be done with external modems. If there not ready there not ready. With Covid everyone has had the hands full keeping up chip production and new designs, including Apple's class leading cpu/gpu/custom processors with energy efficiency.
For the last several years, Apple has been working to develop its own 5G modem chip so that it won't need to rely on Qualcomm as a supplier, but according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple's efforts "may have failed."
Kuo says that his "latest survey" suggests that development on the chip has stalled, which means Qualcomm would remain the exclusive supplier for 5G chips for the 2023 iPhone models. Previously, Kuo believed that Apple's 2023 iPhones would use modem chips designed in-house rather than Qualcomm chips.
Qualcomm is now expected to supply 100 percent of chips for the 2023 iPhone models, rather than just 20 percent. Kuo expects that Apple will continue to develop its own 5G chips, but it will take more time for the work to be completed and satisfactory for use in iPhones and other devices.
It is not clear why Apple will not be able to have its modem chips ready in time for the 2023 iPhone launch, but the company has been aiming to get away from Qualcomm for years now. Apple had a protracted legal battle with Qualcomm and planned to use Intel 5G chips in the 2020 iPhones, but that ultimately was not possible as Intel was not able to manufacture 5G chips that met Apple's standards.
Apple ended up settling its lawsuit with Qualcomm in 2019, and since then, has used Qualcomm 5G modems in the iPhone and iPad lineups. Since then, Apple has been developing its own modem chip, and it even purchased Intel's modem chip business to get a head start, and rumors suggested Apple was on track for a 2023 launch. Last year, Qualcomm even said that it expected to supply just 20 percent of the modem chips used in iPhones in 2023, but it sounds like Qualcomm may be producing chips for Apple for at least another two iPhone generations.
Article Link: Kuo: Apple's Work on 5G Modem Chip 'Failed,' Qualcomm to Remain Supplier for 2023 iPhones
The headline and story is pure hyperbole. Apple was never going to clean room design a modem without Qualcomm IP/Patents. Apple went to the mats on this legally and Qualcomm and Apple kissed and made up (Apple has licenced both the IP and the modem use (Qualcomm get's their money either way). The only thing Apple wants to do is integrate the modem onto the die with memory, CPU, GPU and other custom processor cores to cut power draw more than can be done with external modems. If there not ready there not ready. With Covid everyone has had the hands full keeping up chip production and new designs, including Apple's class leading cpu/gpu/custom processors with energy efficiency.
Humm, do we really want Apple to have the modem and chip all connected up to the nines? I trust Qualcomm as much as I trust Apple but diversity works for those that value privacy. Keep them separate and connected only by USB so the phone only gets what it wants. I’m old school that way - hahahaha…
Mark Gurman in this week's "Power On" newsletter stated he has heard that Apple is struggling with overheating problems with their cellular modem prototypes for the past year.