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Kuo: iPhone 13 Lineup to Feature Nearly Identical Wide Camera Lens as iPhone 12
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To be honest the difference in camera improvements from all devices is rather small each year. The 12 pro max camera is as good as any out there. only thing it;s missing is zoom
the camera improvements coming from a xs to the 12s pro line will be massive.
zoom, is exactly what i want improved — 2x optical is just sad.
Yeah I get that, 2.5 on my pro max is at least better but would kill for 5x and 10x. I’m not bothered about much more then that as after 30x it is more of a gimmick
So waiting another few years for periscope technology is frustrating but I do prefer iPhone photos and the quicker shutter lag is a big deal certainly for pics of my family and pets
We need better optical zoom....Give us 10x optical, we should not care that much about digital one....
i don't want the bigger phone though.. i would be happy with 4x even...
Wasn’t there rumor floating around some where that the iPhone this year that the ultra wide would get autofocus? Presently I have a iPhone 11 Pro Max and find Ultra wide just sad plus my hands shake. I hardly find use of it. Unless I want to just show a object that I want to show a family member at a distance. Though honestly. Ultra wide at the moment just sucks. The wide lens by itself is just better to use.
12s is it then, possible they just add 120 hz screen, bigger (better) battery and some cam improvements, but it's only speculations, i think this year it not big improvement year for iPhones, but we'll see.
Why would anyone be surprised by this? Apple is like a Turtle when it comes to adopting new technology in devices and then stands on stage years later claiming "innovation isn't dead" when it announces something that's been on Samsung for years.
Excellent. You can't do gamechangers every year without alienating people who bought the previous year, which is bad business. Most people don't trade in phones every year. I waited forever for my first iPhone that wasn't a toy and was good enough (12 Pro Max), and it will last awhile until the next gamechanger.
Exactly - for the quality impression the intelligence of the software and the fact e.g. that a smartphone can identify faces etc. is more relevant than the actual optical quality. Our viewing habits are also bound to change by seeing these kind of processed pictures. That is basically what the article tries to say and I guess they are right.
To some extend our eyes/brains to the same with the light-field that goes through the pupils.
but with periscope lenses the gap will become smaller.
In the end it is not so much about optics - but electronics, AI and (OK'ish) optics colluding to make great looking pictures. There will always be a market for professional grade cameras - but it is shrinking.
Well in fairness Apple don’t need to add crazy spec after spec. The pro max is one of the best cameras out there so they don’t need to improve it like crazy each year. Samsung phones will always have all the specs and Apple will add them in due course. They know people will wait
I had a little Minolta point-and-shoot with an internal periscope lens (not really the right term for it). I think it did, like, 10x optical zoom, stuffed into a package that was about two or three times as thick as an iPhone (depending on whether you count the case or not). It was nice! Actually, a miracle!! But as a feature, not worth waiting until late 2022 to get a new phone.
Wow, if this is true then Apple is falling further and further behind the flagship Android phone cameras. The Oppo X3 Pro and the Samsung S21 Ultra blow the iPhone 12 Pro Max out of the water, though the 12 Pro Max is still very good.
According to credible Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 13 lineup, slated for launch in the second half of the year, will feature the same wide-angle lens as the current iPhone 12 series, offering no tangible improvements to one of the three lenses on the upcoming iPhone.
In an investors note obtained by MacRumors, focused mainly on developments and changes within Apple's supply chain, Kuo says the iPhone 13 mini, iPhone 13, and iPhone 13 Pro will feature the same 7P wide-angle lens with a ƒ1.6 aperture as their respective iPhone 12 counterparts. The larger iPhone 13 Pro Max will have a ƒ1.5 aperture wide-angle lens, a marginal increase compared to the ƒ1.6 aperture on the iPhone 12 Pro Max.
Kuo states that Sunny Optical will be the new supplier for the 7P wide-angle lens, adding that mass production of the camera system could begin as soon as May. Looking more long-term, Kuo says that the demand for optical lenses for Apple devices will only significantly increase in the next few years thanks to AR and Apple Car.
While the 2021 iPhones, according to Kuo, will not have a significantly different wide-angle lens, it is rumored to pack improvements to the ultra wide lens. According to Barclays analysts, all four iPhone 13 models will include upgraded Ultra Wide lenses with a ƒ/1.8 aperture, vs. the ƒ/2.4 aperture on the iPhone 12.
Aside from the camera lens, well-connected display analyst Ross Young has predicted that the camera sensor size of both the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max will increase. Although Young doesn't state which of the three cameras will gain a larger sensor, a larger sensor would, in turn, have larger pixels. In other words, the sensor could collect more light, resulting in materially better image quality.
Earlier this month, Kuo reported that Apple plans to include a smaller notch and larger batteries for the entire iPhone 13 lineup. Exclusive to the higher-end Pro and Pro Max models will be a ProMotion 120Hz display, according to the analyst.
Previously, Kuo has also said the iPhone 12 Pro Max's sensor-shift image stabilization will expand to the entire iPhone 13 lineup.
Article Link: Kuo: iPhone 13 Lineup to Feature Nearly Identical Wide Camera Lens as iPhone 12
The real issue with the iPhone 13, for me, is whether or not it has under-screen TouchID. That's what I'm waiting for to convince me to upgrade from my iPhone 8 Plus (Qualcomm modem version). I don't care that much about a great camera versus a stupendous camera. If there's no TouchID on the iPhone 13 I'll likely migrate over to Android and just keep the iPhone going for my Apple Watch.
Expect that the iPhone 14 or 15 Pro Max will have optical zooms that compete favorably with the Samsung S21 Ultra 3x hybrid and 10x optical zooms.
iPhone cameras typically lag the competition by 1-2 years. I was hoping that the iPhone 13 would leapfrog the S21 Ultra but the iPhone 13 design was probably finalized prior to the S21 Ultra being launched, which was too late for Apple to put in cameras of comparable quality and features. Of course by then Samsung will have the S22 or S23 models out though at some point there's little upside in larger sensors or wider-range zooms.
iPhone cameras typically lag the competition by 1-2 years. I was hoping that the iPhone 13 would leapfrog the S21 Ultra but the iPhone 13 design was probably finalized prior to the S21 Ultra being launched, which was too late for Apple to put in cameras of comparable quality and features. Of course by then Samsung will have the S22 or S23 models out though at some point there's little upside in larger sensors or wider-range zooms.
Why do those devices blow the iPhone out the water? Guessing you mean for zoom as iPhone is still better than the oppo for image quality and it’s very close now with the s21 ultra which is Samsung’s best for 2021. Apples best for 2021 is another 4-5 months away
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