Kuo: iPhone 17 to Feature Apple-Designed Wi-Fi 7 Chip

[btrach144]

If this is built off of the Intel IP they bought, it’s going to be hot trash.

 

[wanha]

I don't have the answer to that either nor do I miss WiFi 7 on any of my devices - but it is worth looking at the bigger picture and the interaction between these devices. On the long run integration of the modem into the SoC will make a huge difference in energy efficiency.

Like we're seeing now with the M-series of SoCs bringing immensely value to Apple's offering.

It can not be stressed enough how important the own silicon is for Apple - that's the game changer they needed to build their mobile devices on such a high level - the WiFi and 5G modes are the icing on the cream now.

I agree with you on the big picture.

My original comment was in reference to the person complaining he does not get max wifi speed on his iPhone today.

 

[SactoGuy18]

If this is built off of the Intel IP they bought, it’s going to be hot trash.

I'd agree if that was back in 2019. But with five years of development plus all that cash from Apple, it may actually work well.

 

[Radin.Y]

I am not sure what the significance of this is. I have seen countless articles regarding this. Is it really worth such attention? What meaningful change is this going to bring for us?
I'd appreciate a geeky explanation if anyone has got any.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I'd agree if that was back in 2019. But with five years of development plus all that cash from Apple, it may actually work well.

We'll see! I had some signal issues with my 8 Plus, with an Intel modem, back in the day. The Qualcomm version got a couple additional signal bars over the Intel at my house at the time.

All that said, I just bought a 16 Pro and won't be upgrading to another iPhone for 3-5 years. Any potential issues should be addressed by then.

 

[redbeard331]

The only way Apple improves these days is if they are shamed into the improvement in the media. Lets shame them.

Let’s do this.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Let’s do this.

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If that was generated with Apple's Image Playground, then well umm, they have some work to do. Bro with the fro has mandibles.

Maybe it's the Halloween Edition.®

 

[Cayden]

I really wish they’d just start out with the Wi-Fi chip, see how it does in actual customer hands, then move on to creating their own cellular chips. Cellular chips are significantly harder to engineer and test compared to Wi-Fi chips, so I would think this would be a much better step to take without risking cellular reliability

 

[redbeard331]

If that was generated with Apple's Image Playground, then well umm, they have some work to do.

Maybe it's the Halloween Edition.®

Well we know Apple is pretty far behind, but this was made using ChatGPT through Siri, so I think this one is on them. I don’t really care too much myself as I’m not a big fan of all this ai stuff, at least with software bugs can be fixed and things can be improved continually though updates. I’m more concerned about Apple’s hardware quality lately.

 

[CrysisDeu]

The current half-arsed Wifi 7/6e chips Apple is using are really a shame for such ultra expensive devices. Apple can't even do 320Mhz channel Width for 6Ghz Wifi7. Apple does say that my iPhone 15 Pro and 16 Pro now support 160Mhz channel Width on 5Ghz, but still my phones only connect at 1200 Mbps link speeds on Ubiquiti U7 Pros. Which means they are still limited to 5Ghz 80Mhz width.

I really had hoped that Apple used some competent Wifi7 + Bluetooth 5.4 combo chip like QCNCM865 from Qualcomm or even Intel BE900 to run their iPhones on next gen wireless networks.

It’s probably because their in house chip sucks, and they don’t want to provide something good, and degrade the experience later.

But anyways, f apple

 

[d5aqoëp]

what do you need that much data speed on a phone for?

edit: that's now three people that disagree with the post. It's a genuine question. Should I not ask it?

That’s the spirit Tim Cook expects from his “ideal” customers.

 

[d5aqoëp]

I have a U7 Pro and the 15 pro and 16 pro can use 160 MHz channels on 5 Ghz with no problem. Update the AP's firmware to 7.1.29 or greater and it will take care of your problems.

7.1 firmware has been in Beta since ages. I would jump on minimum release candidate of U7 Pros. The Unifi Network UI says my iPhone is on 5Ghz 160Mhz width but when I check TX and RX rates, it’s stuck on 1200Mbps.

 

[Chuckeee]

I’ll be interested in next generation of Apple WiFi and cellular chips after they have built a generation of chips that demonstrate good field performance. RF and analog chip design is a lot different than digital design. I really hope Apple can pull this off but I won’t be the Guinea Pig for Apple’s field testing or Patent battles.

Looks like I will be holding on to my iPhone 16 for several years.

 

[nt5672]

...surely you don't actually think Apple would make a base station that wouldn't work with any printers, video game consoles, or smart home devices?

I would say "work well with" instead of "work with any".

Of course the Apple solution will work, but not with any corner cases.

The old Apple went out of their way to work with everything as much as possible. They had to at the time because no one wanted Apple devices on the network. These days Apple just slaps code together and thinks they are so big they don't even need to test it.

 

[wanha]

I would say "work well with" instead of "work with any".

Of course the Apple solution will work, but not with any corner cases.

The old Apple went out of their way to work with everything as much as possible. They had to at the time because no one wanted Apple devices on the network. These days Apple just slaps code together and thinks they are so big they don't even need to test it.

There is an institutional arrogance that has crept into Apple, I grant you that.

I miss the days of Apple being the small, feisty underdog.

 

[Tagbert]

If this is built off of the Intel IP they bought, it’s going to be hot trash.

The Intel IP was cellular modem, not Wifi and even that was 10 years ago. There have been a few changes since then.

 

[anshuvorty]

Just watch - this is a huge development, because it seems to me that after Apple successfully integrates their WiFi and Cellular chips together into their own custom silicon and they have tested it and it works as expected on their phones, they will next phase it onto their iPads, and then, finally onto their MacBooks, which will be HUUUUGE!!

The Macs will probably get it in the next decade though, IMHO, barring any delays.

 

[tipoo]

Hopefully every Apple product after the SE4 starts switching to Apple's integrated chip with each update after. Might we get cellular along with Wifi 7 on macs?

 

[goobot]

I know this is a bit beside the point, but I wish Apple would get back into making wifi base stations.

If they're serious about being a major player in the smart home, owning the access point would be a valuable asset.

Apple is too busy with gimmicks to focus on something that would perfectly suit their ecosystem. What would be a better HomeKit hub than the actual router. Expand time machine to iOS, allow us to install printer drivers directly to the router so we can print using any iOS device, HomeKit secure video. They can even do things like make it a combined modem and then offer an Apple home phone service that you can also pick up on your iPhone and HomePods. The list goes on but they are too busy trying to sell a vr device for 4000 or trying to compete against Netflix.

 

[Compote]

Waiting on their own chips to include WiFi 7 so they can say Apple's chips are better.

 

[jz0309]

If this is built off of the Intel IP they bought, it’s going to be hot trash.

You’re confusing modems with wifi

 

[d5aqoëp]

I’ve been looking to buy an iPhone since 2007, but each time one is released there are rumors regarding the next one. It happens each year and I tell myself just wait one more year, it’s all coming next year. It’s now been almost 20 years and I am still waiting. Been told iPhone 17 is the one, but someone else said wait for iPhone 20 as it’s going to be huge.

🤔🤨😆

How’s your Windows Mobile 5.1 phone with Resistive touch screen doing these days? Can you keep up with current world?

 

[svish]

Expecitng to see it in the new Slim/Air model. Hopefully there will not be any major issues with the chip when it launches.

 

[wanha]

Apple is too busy with gimmicks to focus on something that would perfectly suit their ecosystem. What would be a better HomeKit hub than the actual router. Expand time machine to iOS, allow us to install printer drivers directly to the router so we can print using any iOS device, HomeKit secure video. They can even do things like make it a combined modem and then offer an Apple home phone service that you can also pick up on your iPhone and HomePods. The list goes on but they are too busy trying to sell a vr device for 4000 or trying to compete against Netflix.

Dude that got my mouth watering even though I know it'll never happen

It feels to me like Apple's management structure is stretched pretty thin across all their products and services, because that would explain why there is often a palpable sense of neglect in many areas and a lack of investment in seemingly obvious products like the router your pictured above.