Kuo: 'No Sign' of Apple Generative AI Technology Coming in 2024

[Analog Kid]

Being able to respond to a prompt does not mean it conceptually “knows” something. Statistically it hands you the most likely result to your language prompt.

ChatGPT is a *language* model, it generates speech. It is not “smart”, it’s just good at generating human sounding speech after being trained on it. Being able to spit out a fact does not mean it “understands” a given topic.

Thanks for linking that writeup by Chomsky et. al. I've seen it before, but it was worth seeing again. I think some of the arguments, in particular the ideas that ChatGPT and its ilk lack an inherent grammar and lack a morality without having one imposed are a bit thin, but I think it gives a clear definition of the gap in what these generative systems are capable of: they lack the ability to explain their reasoning.

This thread is talking about understanding, and knowing, but I think that gives a clear test.

 

[RangerOne]

Siri, give me a summary of this article. “Okay, here are the top 10 chicken restaurants in your neighbourhood”

This concisely summarizes everyone's complaints about Siri: She just cannot seem to understand even basic requests, and there is often only one very precise way to ask her to do the things she's advertised to do. Deviate just a bit from the approved phrase and she's often clueless and will direct you to look at the Google results on your phone. This isn't much better than my pre-Jobs Mac Quadra 840AV with the AT&T 3210 DSP. It could understand precise phrases, but not even small deviations.

CarPlay is particularly frustrating. To report a speed check, you say "There is a speed check here" but to report an accident, you can only say "Report an accident." Why not support both request patterns? "There is an accident here" should work just as well. You can say "The hazard is gone" but you can't say "there is a hazard here." The official phrase is "There is something in the road." This is all infuriating when you're driving and need Siri to respond quickly and accurately.

Report traffic incidents in CarPlay

In CarPlay, report accidents, hazards, and speed checks.

support.apple.com

Other things she's clueless about, even though the iPhone is capable. "Hey Siri, what's the elevation here?" Response: "I'll send the results to your iPhone." My iPhone and watch have both GPS and a barometric pressure sensor that can approximate altitude. It's right in the Compass app!

 

[JustAnExpat]

If Apple truly is so behind others on AI, I believe it might be the thing that will end Apple’s dominance as we know it.

Nobody will choose a smartphone based on a slightly better or worse camera, but when a smartphone come with a truly smart assistant built in, that will be the new be-all end-all killer app.

I would truly be surprised if Apple really is so far behind on this.

Apple is not behind at all with AI. It's far behind in ChatGPT style AI, but I don't think Apple wants to get into that market (at least, I don't think they do).

For "smart assistant built in", who's going to pay for that assistant? ChatGPT et. al. is extremely expensive to run, and generate a lot of pollution. I believe ChatGPT et. al. won't be profitable as a free service, and their reputation is taking a hard hit because of false information it generates.

 

[svish]

Apple will definitely take a long time. Hopefully Siri improves meanwhile

 

[M3gatron]

Ok, as long as you’ve convinced yourself that’s what counts…

The truth counts not your suppositions based on conspiracy and what not. I also tested it myself unlike you.
You haven't even experienced the feature in person but talk like you are a software engineer that worked on creating it.
Also all you've got is that "taking a picture of a blurred picture thing" which at least you can be honest and admit it's not the same as taking a picture of the real thing.

 

[M3gatron]

I’m not sure you understand pixel interpolation & extrapolation. It’s case closed only if you have a closed mind on this issue.

Well I undestand you have no arguments, or the proper phone to test it. This much is clear.

Your last Para is hilarious. "when I make it smaller it becomes more clear and easier to distinguish even if it's blurred".
That’s only because your eye cannot distinguish the detail, not because it’s gets clearer as it gets smaller.

It's hilarious because you obviously haven't tested it. When you make it smaller the dark spots become more easy to distinguish. Human eyes can't actually distinguish the detail of something that small from a few meters anyway, again you haven't tested it for your self and act like an expert.

 

[steve09090]

It's hilarious because you obviously haven't tested it. When you make it smaller the dark spots become more easy to distinguish. Human eyes can't actually distinguish the detail of something that small from a few meters anyway, again you haven't tested it for your self and act like an expert.

Wow.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/11p7rqy

 

[M3gatron]

Right... the same dead horse: taking picture of pictures.
Anyway here is a real picture taken with S23U's manual mode and it doesn't even use image stacking. Definitive proof that the hardware itself is capable of taking pictures of the Moon.

An example of how AI works to unblur images:
You can also look at super upscalers.

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An example of how AI enhances different images

Now what this shows is: Samsung's AI enhancing works with other planets as well even a fake Moon but although it enhances the photos and adds details that actually exist(even if they are blurred, the same way we can identify those blurred details the AI identifies them), that's basically all it does. SAMSUNG DOESN'T ADD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IMAGE ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL.

Another Example I created myself. Samsung's AI works best with the Moon but it does the same for other planets. It's AI after all it's not picture overlay like it's being suggested here.

 

[steve09090]

Right... the same dead horse: taking picture of pictures.
Anyway here is a real picture taken with S23U's manual mode and it doesn't even use image stacking. Definitive proof that the hardware itself is capable of taking pictures of the Moon.


An example of how AI works to unblur images:
You can also look at super upscalers.

Topaz Labs | Gigapixel 8™ | Super scale any image with AI. Like magic.

Improve image resolution with deep learning. Join hundreds of thousands of photographers who use Gigapixel AI for printing, cropping, restoration, and more.

www.topazlabs.com

An example of how AI enhances different images

Now what this shows is: Samsung's AI enhancing works with other planets as well even a fake Moon but although it enhances the photos and adds details that actually exist(even if they are blurred, the same way we can identify those blurred details the AI identifies them), that's basically all it does. SAMSUNG DOESN'T ADD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IMAGE ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL.

Another Example I created myself. Samsung's AI works best with the Moon but it does the same for other planets. It's AI after all it's not picture overlay like it's being suggested here.

So by saying AI, what you're really saying is 'adds contrast'

 

[steve09090]

It's not a search engine. Search engine can only search for stuff on the internet. ChatGPT has a lot of internal knowledge but it can also do things that no search engine can, for example, it can code (i.e. write programs).

It is certainly not intelligence. As Steve Wozniak says 'we haven’t come close to giving computers the intelligence of an ant'. It can only do what it’s programmed to do. ChatGPT has no more ability than a Roomba or a self driving car. It’s is making decisions based on an algorithm or programming.

 

[surfzen21]

Well the thing is, the current ChatGPT isn’t even perfect yet. Sometimes it gives some outdated or inaccurate information. It may seem very smart, but it’s still not perfect, and most of the time it just makes up answers, so it can’t even be considered as a reliable source.

So I don’t really want a ChatGPT-like AI from Apple as the current tech is not even perfect for that yet, but I want them to at least improve Siri. Siri is already pretty good for basic stuff (i.e setting alarms, notes, reminders, etc). Though it does have some flaws as it sometimes mishears you or gets activated by accident which is pretty annoying. I’d like them to at least fix this, and maybe also give it more integration with third-party apps.
And the fact that it usually just throws web results at you when being asked about something.. like what’s the point of that when I could’ve simply looked it up on Google ? At least make it more capable than that. Make it actually give you an ANSWER instead of a throwing a bunch of web results and calling it a day.

This lawyer used ChatGPT. It made up the cases cited and now he has been sanctioned and may get disbarred. 🤣

New York lawyers sanctioned for using fake ChatGPT cases in legal brief

A U.S. judge on Thursday imposed sanctions on two New York lawyers who submitted a legal brief that included six fictitious case citations generated by an artificial intelligence chatbot, ChatGPT.

www.reuters.com

I hate doing case research but I'd NEVER even think of using ChatGPT to do my research. LexusNexus does a fairly good job if you know how to use it. It's much better than going to a library like the olden days.

 

[Fraserpatty]

So you are saying you would prefer to have Siri control your information than you controlling what information Siri gives you? I don’t believe Siri is a fail at all. Could it be better.. sure. Could AI be better? Hell yeah. The difference between Siri failings and AI failings is huge.

AI failings are worse than shooting an arrow in the air and expecting it to fall on the intended target. Siri is only about using the correct syntax.


Machine Learning is a far better expression than Artificial Intelligence. It is all learning from data recovered. A.I. Cannot understand human context through its own intelligence. I think the example of the Trolley Problem shows this.

No, I’m not exactly saying this. I am saying that Siri should have access to all information on your iPad or phone and be able to spit it back to you when needed. This is something that doesn’t involve the cloud or outside information. My example of searching your pictures is one thing I mean. When Apple gives us functions, I would very much like them to not take them away. . And yes, I think Siri is Cook’s biggest failing because it is nowhere near as good as it should be able to be, and it is arguably, perhaps behind the camera, the most important function on every device to get right.

 

[Fraserpatty]

Apple will definitely take a long time. Hopefully Siri improves meanwhile.

Last night my daughter was attempting to FaceTime me. My back was turned and my hands were full, so I told Siri to answer. I said this three times, but Siri never picked up. However, after the third ring, my daughter hung up, and Siri said to me looks like you missed a call from *****. Do you want me to try to call back?”. When I said, yes, Siri, FaceTimed my daughter and I got through to her. I am on an iPad and I don’t often miss answering FaceTime calls, but this is the first time Siri has ever said this to me and called back. Is this new? Has this ever happened to anyone before? This is a really helpful feature..

 

[applepotato666]

Apple's software has always been bad with the natural logic that would make Siri good. Especially outside of the US. Apple Music is a prime example of this - a typo in the title of the song you're searching will show no results, or god forbid your language has 2 alphabets as in my case. Looking for a song, I have to search the name in both alphabets to find the song because it may be titled in the other alphabet. Never had a problem with that with Spotify (and really it's a simple transliteration algorithm to implement, we do it for the digital products we work on at my job, more likely than not Apple lacks the diversity on campus to raise that question and implement it).

Siri is great for turning the lights on and that's where it ends for me. Everything else is always the "Here's what I found on the web!" list of links with no context that may not even be related to the question you asked.

 

[NT1440]

No, I’m not exactly saying this. I am saying that Siri should have access to all information on your iPad or phone and be able to spit it back to you when needed. This is something that doesn’t involve the cloud or outside information. My example of searching your pictures is one thing I mean. When Apple gives us functions, I would very much like them to not take them away. . And yes, I think Siri is Cook’s biggest failing because it is nowhere near as good as it should be able to be, and it is arguably, perhaps behind the camera, the most important function on every device to get right.

I guess it would be the most important if I bought into home automation, but I only ever use Siri, or any digital assistant, to set timers.

 

[maxoakland]

Good. No use hopping on fads

 

[Analog Kid]

So by saying AI, what you're really saying is 'adds contrast'

I think they saying they missed the joke: "don't call it fake, call it AI!"

If you read the fine print, the Samsung forum didn't want to continue this debate either... Presumably because they got equally tired of people not understanding what's happening under the hood.

 

[M3gatron]

I think they saying they missed the joke: "don't call it fake, call it AI!"

If you read the fine print, the Samsung forum didn't want to continue this debate either... Presumably because they got equally tired of people not understanding what's happening under the hood.

Wow you guys are so smart, so funny the full package.

 

[Fraserpatty]

I guess it would be the most important if I bought into home automation, but I only ever use Siri, or any digital assistant, to set timers.

As a gal in her 70s, I depend on Siri for much more than that. I have nerve damage in my fingers also, so whenever I can have Siri do something for me, it is greatly to my advantage. Oh, to be younger again and I wouldn’t depend on her as much either.

 

[Analog Kid]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/11p7rqy

That pretty much answers that...

 

[NT1440]

As a gal in her 70s, I depend on Siri for much more than that. I have nerve damage in my fingers also, so whenever I can have Siri do something for me, it is greatly to my advantage. Oh, to be younger again and I wouldn’t depend on her as much either.

This is an area where Apple shines head and shoulders above the rest. Siri may not be the best way to use your phone. I’d recommend looking into the litany of Accessibility features Apple has built right in to iOS. You can do anything you need to by voice (if that’s the best accessibility fit for you), no SIRI required.

 

[M3gatron]

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That pretty much answers that...

LoL sure sure.
The "scientific test" 🤣

 

[Vasilisxd]

I recently tried Google Bard and Perplexity again, and I was impressed by how much they have improved since the last time I used them. Both chatbots are now more accurate, reliable, and engaging.

 

[Fraserpatty]

This is an area where Apple shines head and shoulders above the rest. Siri may not be the best way to use your phone. I’d recommend looking into the litany of Accessibility features Apple has built right in to iOS. You can do anything you need to by voice (if that’s the best accessibility fit for you), no SIRI required.

I have used Siri shortcuts to automatically remind me to drink water during the day and take my medicines when they are due. She doesn’t have to ask me first and I don’t have to initiate her reminders. She automatically comes on and reminds me when the news is about to come on and suggest that she read my calendar for the next day at 11 PM. I do depend on her a lot. But I do use a lot of accessibility features, thank you for the suggestion.