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Reducing size or thickness is more to save money on material costs than something done for the benefit of the user. The computers are thin enough. I want to see the innovation coming from their integration of iPad apps in Mac OS. I want to see the high end of the iPad line merge with the low end of the Mac line. Being able to use and iPad pro as a tablet but then park it at a desk with a dock and use it as a desktop is just about all the computer I need for day to day tasks. If I need a system for work I would get a laptop, if I need one for consuming content I would get an iPad. But there is a very large segment of the market that does not want to have 3 or 4 devices that do practically the same things and have to switch between systems every time they want to do that in a new location. Not everyone wants or needs 2 or 3 devices. But if I only had one I would always make sure it was up to date so that means they will get more money from me from upgrading it. Something you don't have to do now with several devices because there is always one that gets the job done and the others are just good enough. No way I'm keeping 2 or 3 devices up to date but one? Absolutely.
 
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I think that Apple is developing a series of chips in ‘layers.’
M1 is the first layer… MB Air, MBP base, Mac mini base.
Next, we will have the N1 —I just invented the name—, for a most powerful MBP and a high powered Mac mini and, possible, the low level iMac.
Next layer, the O1, for the more powerful iMac, maybe the iMac Pro.
Finally, the P1 —or maybe, a separated CPU chip, GPU chip, Neural chip…— for the Mac Pro.
 
There’s always talk of macOS going touch to match the surface, what about iPad Running macOS, surely with the A series chip and Mac software going ARM, this is more and more a possibility?
Why does it need to run macOS? With Macs now running the same processors, things like Final Cut Pro, Xcode and Logic Pro are a giant step closer from just having iPad OS versions.
 
Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar.... Please get rid of the touchbar....

This. And if it makes disappear the markup associated with the cost of implementing that useless thing, lowering all MacBook Pro prices by a couple of hundred quids, we users would find in the MacBooks a better product and would feel more compelled to buy..
 
I use the Touch Bar all the time for sound and video editing (not to mention emoji-selection). I'm not sure I understand what all the fuss is about...

Reminds me of a story of someone's grandpa buying a car in the 60's--the salesman pointed out the air-conditioning and gramps was vehemently against buying the car if it had AC because he'd never use it. The salesman politely said, well... you could just not turn it on?...
 
I use the Touch Bar all the time for sound and video editing (not to mention emoji-selection). I'm not sure I understand what all the fuss is about...

Reminds me of a story of someone's grandpa buying a car in the 60's--the salesman pointed out the air-conditioning and gramps was vehemently against buying the car if it had AC because he'd never use it. The salesman politely said, well... you could just not turn it on?...
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LOVE the touch bar.
 
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I use the Touch Bar all the time for sound and video editing (not to mention emoji-selection). I'm not sure I understand what all the fuss is about...

Reminds me of a story of someone's grandpa buying a car in the 60's--the salesman pointed out the air-conditioning and gramps was vehemently against buying the car if it had AC because he'd never use it. The salesman politely said, well... you could just not turn it on?...

the fuss comes from how useless the touchbar is for most, and the fact we have to pay for it regardless if necessary or not.
The AC example doesn’t fit as AC in cars is very convenient for most, while the touchbar is not.
We all have particular use-cases when we need something special from our hardware ( I’d buy immediately an Apple Pencil for iPhone if it existed), but to force that on most consumers and make them pay for it would be silly.
Just my two cents.....
 
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I disagree. I want Macs to stay non-touch oriented. Granted, they’ll eventually probably have to add it, but I don’t want a Mac to be a Surface.
It would be a big difference with a touchscreen for iOS app development.

I really hope they will replace the useless touchbar with a touchscreen. Look, you could use your touchscreen MacBook without using the touchscreen as if it didn't exist, but a touchbar always gets in your way.
 
You don't have to touch the screen.
My main concerns relate to the UI. The main benefit of adding a touch screen would be making the ability to run iOS/iPadOS apps on the Mac less of a gimmick. But the downside is that developers would have fewer reasons to optimize their software for the Mac, and we'd gradually see most apps on the Mac becoming touch-centric. I think what Apple is doing by making iOS/iPadOS apps available, but with a kludgy compatibility layer is trying to nudge developers to take the next step and convert them to the Mac, complete with keyboard and trackpad/mouse interactivity.

We've seen just that happen with Windows 10. Adobe Acrobat Pro is clearly written with a touch screen in mind.
 
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You are not required to touch the screen of a touch screen computer..
You are not required to use the Touch Bar, yet people complain. People will complain about the useless touch screen if that gets introduced too. Both are gimmicks to several people.
 
I use the Touch Bar all the time for sound and video editing (not to mention emoji-selection). I'm not sure I understand what all the fuss is about...

Reminds me of a story of someone's grandpa buying a car in the 60's--the salesman pointed out the air-conditioning and gramps was vehemently against buying the car if it had AC because he'd never use it. The salesman politely said, well... you could just not turn it on?...
It is slightly better now that they at least added a physical esc key. The biggest issue I have with the Touch Bar is that since I have my MBP hooked up to a full sized keyboard, mouse and large monitor 80% of the time (if not more recently) that you get out of the habit if using it so then when you could use it you forget or it isn't setup the way you want it and don't want to take the time to customize it. So basically you end up just setting them up as function keys anyway which you program for different things that work both on the physical keyboard as well except on the Touch Bar it is harder to use by feel. It is just wasted and an unnecessary expense.
 
I eagerly await the 2023 Mac Pro with an ARM chip. I hope it will have upgradable RAM, storage, and a full array of PCIe 5.0 expansion slots.

I also eagerly await redesigned MBP 16. It would be great if they split it into two products - one for professionals with no touch bar and no compromises, and one for average consumers that's thinner and lighter with limited ports.
 
I disagree. I want Macs to stay non-touch oriented. Granted, they’ll eventually probably have to add it, but I don’t want a Mac to be a Surface.
Me too. I have a Surface that is a work machine...its utter garbage and I never use the touch screen anyway. Redesigned MBP with good keyboard, no touchbar (waste of time) and Apple Silicon and i'm all in
 
I wonder all the time what people here expect from a "redesign"? It will still be a screen attached to the computing part with keyboard and trackpad. It will probably be thinner and lighter. Maybe less bezel. What exactly is the big deal? I personally don't get it.

I am glad that I have a mid-2015 MBP 15 for example. That was the last model before they "redesigned" the keyboard, added the touchbar, got rid of all legacy ports etc. My MBP looks old because of that. But who cares? I have a working keyboard and all the I/O I need.

I still find it possible that they will show new 13 and 16 inch MBP with the old design in spring. In the same way they did the other M-Macs: old outside, new inside. That's what I would like to see and what I might get. I will definitely not wait to be the guinea pig for another "redesign" …
 
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Something I'd love to see with the rumored 14 and 16" MBPs would be internal component parity between the two. I prefer the size of the current 13" MBPs for portability but I wish I had the power of the 16" - both CPU and GPU. With Intel chips this isn't possible due to the thermal constraints of the 13" chassis, but with an M1X or M2 chip that constraint might be lifted, thus making the only differentiation between the two screen size and possibly battery life.
 
You are not required to touch the screen of a touch screen computer..
That is correct, I see no problem implementing touch / pencil support as well as trackpad support. Anyone that has used an iPad for any length of time then switches to a laptop has spent time poking the screen of a MacBook. There are different use cases for different interfaces and each one is superior in specific cases. The thing is these use cases are not limited to just a desktop or just an iPad but can cross function depending on the use of the device. There are usually UI guidelines on what should be implemented for what device already. Some of Microsoft's toys have real world potential if implemented correctly. The different use cases that are obvious to me are:

- iPad Pro - where you are using it as a consumption device or as a tablet (i.e. without a keyboard/mouse)... where you want to use touch and
- iPad Pro - where you are using it primarily as a laptop hooked up to a keyboard and mouse.
- Laptop - where you have a permanently attached keyboard
- iMac - as a desktop with keyboard and mouse
- Microsoft Studio - where you are using it as a large easel to draw or as a console dashboard
- Mac Pro where you really are only using it as a desktop.

The functionality of different input is not limited to a specific use case but can cross uses. You would not have pencil support on a Laptop as ergonomically it would not make sense, but you could have it on the same device if you pick it up to draw with it without a keyboard. You would not use a pencil to draw on an a current iMac, but if you had an iMac that you could pull down in easel mode then pencil support would make sense (and yes there are real world usecases for this professionally). If you are using the 2-1 as a tablet and dock it to use as a laptop then the macOS UI would be on average superior - but people are still going to have a tendency to touch the screen as it is natural to them and not having touch in that case is not user friendly.

The trick is having the applications already ready with cross use-case support and having an interface that seamlessly adapts to the use-case you are currently using. That is where Apple tends to have a long-term vision and does not give half-baked solutions to the user... but it does not mean they will not in the future. I expect they are and have been actively trying to work - and if/when they do have it ready for prime-time you will start to see it on devices.

Until then Apple will tell you exactly what it does and deny what they do not have an active release date ready for such a use. For the longest time, the iPad would never support a trackpad since it was a touch device... yet the trackpad is superior in certain use cases and Apple implemented it. The same thing with the pencil, etc. etc. etc.
 
I use the Touch Bar all the time for sound and video editing (not to mention emoji-selection). I'm not sure I understand what all the fuss is about...

Reminds me of a story of someone's grandpa buying a car in the 60's--the salesman pointed out the air-conditioning and gramps was vehemently against buying the car if it had AC because he'd never use it. The salesman politely said, well... you could just not turn it on?...
The fuss is about the lack of physical function keys. It's easier to touch-type physical keys.

What would be awesome would be if all the keys were little touch-sensitive screens. Then you could turn certain keys into sliders if you wanted, you could slide down on a key to get a special character ala iPad, and purists could just turn off the touch and lock in normal keys and be happy.

...or, if that's too much, just give us the function keys back, and put the touch bar above the function keys, as I have wished for from the beginning.
 
So until the M2 Apple Silicon Macs become Available, does this mean ONLY the M1 Mac mini is now a viable option ?

I think so.

It's one thing to pull the trigger on an M1 MacBook Air OR Pro BEFORE hearing this Rumor from Kuo, & another thing entirely AFTERWARDS !

Also, IMO, Apple will now need iOS App Dev help for the M1 Macs to gain market traction past Early Adopters !
 
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