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rossoUK said:
No I can assure you I DID READ the box. I just didnt expect 26 gigs missing ya know wot im saying? it's not like its a couple of megs here and there!

I think thats a good 65 cds on lossless I wont be able to store! Im sure if you were in my situation you wouldnt be too happy either mate!
Their package and marketing are technically accurate. As cube said there really isn't a trick because when all the terms are taken literally by their definition their marketing and labeling are completely accurate.

I still find it deceptive because most operating systems and disk utilities report back drive sizes in GiB but label them as GB - which is technically incorrect. Think about it this way, if the OS reported back the drive size in GB rather than GiB you'd never know the difference - so is it that big of a deal? Well, I suppose it is not actually deceptive - it merely appears deceptive to most end-users.

I understand your frustration but you really have no case here - all of the marketing and packaging was 100% accurate which is all a court of law will care about.
 
Okay Okay...let's all calm down here. No need to call a lawyer and spend your time on something you won't win. And the only silent storage is a flash drive, a spinning/writing drive is going to make some noise, everything does.

I bought a 120 from them and only got 111 out of it. I was annoyed at first, but, it's just how it is. I should sue Apple for saying 40GB but only giving my 37. It's the nature of the business man. You buy a car with 300 HP but, only 260 or so is actually making it to the ground, you lose some in the tranny and other gears.

Yeah....put out the fire, and be glad you did get 374 GB's
 
OMG, people are actually still surprised by this? Is this your first time on a computer? :) not to be mean, but...
 
ChrisBrightwell said:
Call LaCie and complain. They're measuring (and marketing) 1GB inaccurately, as are most other HDD manufacturers.

No, they are not.
 
Hard drive and other media fabrication have been measuring there capacity with 1K = 1000 since the beginning. Your computer, like all computer, work with bits chunk, so 2^10 = 1024 (2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024). So when you format on computer that use binary system, you get 374GB wich is excactly 400GB in base 10. YOU DON'T LOSE ANY SPACE, it's just a nomenclature market differently. I agree, hard drive manufacturer should advise in 1024 = 1K base like any computer use, but it ain't the case. The whole CD collection you mention should fit on that HD if you have calculated that each CD is 650MB should fit on a 400GB in base 1000 each, the size will still fit if you change the base to base 1024, 615 CD fit on it anyway.

To calulated it: Size on box in GB/1.074 = actual size use in 1024=1K
1.074 = 1.024^3 (for transition between Kilo, Mega and Giga, each transition suffer this rule, thing will be even worst in TB, 1.024^4)
 
rossoUK said:
Maths aside. I bought this with the belief that it was 400 gig. Well its not, its far short. I shall be contacting LaCie to hear their side then I'm callin my lawyer. Serious! I'm in the "if it says 400 gig then it should be and if it aint then its not, so if its advertised as 400 gig theres something wrong" school of thought. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Also I should mention another thing. They advertise this as being silent. Yeah their fanless case is silent but the F****** hard drive is noisy. If I'd wanted chirping I'll have bought a sparrow...etc.

hahaha...

the hard drive industry has used this standards of hard drive capacity for years, and i am sure you are not the first person to think they could sue.

i'll just poke a big whole your law suit right now. the comment on "math aside". if you sue, you will lose because of a math.

This article will explain what your attorney will research and then tell you and charge whatever amount per hour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

"Marketing" capacity versus true capacity
It is important to note that hard drive manufacturers often use the metric definition of the prefixes "giga" and "mega." However, nearly all operating system utilities report capacities using binary definitions for the prefixes. This is largely historical, since when storage capacities started to exceed thousands of bytes, there were no standard binary prefixes (the IEC only standardized binary prefixes in 1999), so 210 (1024) bytes was called a kilobyte because 1024 is "close enough" to the metric prefix kilo, which is defined as 103 or 1000. This trend became habit and continued to be applied to the prefixes "mega," "giga," and even "tera." Obviously the discrepancy becomes much more noticeable in reported capacities in the multiple gigabyte range, and users will often notice that the volume capacity reported by their OS is significantly less than that advertised by the hard drive manufacturer. For example, a drive advertised as 200 GB can be expected to store close to 200 x 109, or 200 billion, bytes. This uses the proper SI definition of "giga," 109 and cannot be considered as incorrect. Since utilities provided by the operating system probably define a Gigabyte as 230, or 1073741824, bytes, the reported capacity of the drive will be closer to 186.26 GB (actually, GiB), a difference of well over ten gigabytes. For this very reason, many utilities that report capacity have begun to use the aforementioned IEC standard binary prefixes (e.g. KiB, MiB, GiB) since their definitions are not ambiguous.
Another side point is that many people mistakenly attribute the discrepancy in reported and advertised capacities to reserved space used for file system and partition accounting information. However, for large (several GiB) filesystems, this data rarely occupies more than several MiB, and therefore cannot possibly account for the apparent "loss" of tens of Gigabytes.
 
I first experienced this in '93 or so - I paid something like $600 for a 500 MB! HD for my IIsi. When I formatted it, it was 400-some. I thought I'd gotten the wrong model sent to me. I called the manufacturer and was told that the formatted drive presented less usable space than 500 MB. I've noticed it on HDs ever since. I see some folks in this thread say that this is because of how many bytes it holds vs. how that works out to GBs. I've just observed that it's a phenomenon common to all HDs I've ever used.

After I understood it was supposed to be that way (and would be that way on any 500 MB drive) I let the stress go. That was over 10 years ago, so apparently this has been a trait of HD space for awhile.

Now, EPA fuel economy ratings, that I can get worked up about as a formula that never tells the real story.
 
Whigga Spitta said:
after reading this whole thread, i feel as if i'm in the same boat as the two posters above me. i mean come on, this really sounds like a joke...

No kidding. I can't believe this kind of a discussion is still going on in the year 2005. :D I remember too when this first became a real issue back in the early '90s, so I figured just about everybody knew by now the difference between how the OS reports disk space (binary) and how all HD manufacturers do it (metric).
 
dejo said:
What's especially confusing to the average consumer is that RAM does not suffer this duplicity.

Flash RAM does, like my 256 megabyte card in my digital camera is 240ish in reality. You're right, it is very confusing to newbies.
 
If that's the worst thing that happened to you today, consider it a pretty good day and enjoy your 374GBs. And next time, maybe read the box a little closer. :p Sorry, not a lot of sympathy for those who don't RTFM.
 
However I can this morning say.........Mini's gone into WARP 10......wooooooosh.....no more beachball freezing! Serious speed increase! :eek: :eek:

I've booted from the external and not the internal.
 
ChrisBrightwell said:
OK ...

Then it's deceptive.

Happy?

It's the OS that is deceiving you by labeling the capacity as GB, not the hard drive manufacturers.
 
dejo said:
What's especially confusing to the average consumer is that RAM does not suffer this duplicity.

That's why there are two different unit sets. It's all the people using kB, MB, GB, TB, PB, EB, ZB, YB for powers of two who are at fault.
 
According to hard drive manufactures:
1 gigbyte = 1000 megabytes
1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes
1 kilobyte = 1000 bytes
^^^(not true in real life)^^^

In actuality, this is what the real values are:
1 gigbyte = 1024 megabytes
1 megabyte = 1024 kilobytes
1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes

What I find to be most annoying, is that hard drive manufactures measure the total disk space by saying 1000 bytes = 1 kilobyte, and 1000 kilobytes = 1 megabyte, etc. Yet the measure the cache as 8 megabytes = 8192 kilobytes (1024*8) when it should, according to how they measure the capacity of a hard drive, be 8000 kilobytes.

WTF.

That would be something I sue over. It's very misleading.
 
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