By Ellison's logic, all other companies on Earth should have bleak futures as well... because they don't have Steve Jobs. What an idiot.
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Larry Ellison Hints at Bleak Future For Apple Without Steve Jobs
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Apple is doomed. 
Hey, Larry, how's that Sun acquisition working out for you? Things running smoothly on the Java team?
Hey, Larry, how's that Sun acquisition working out for you? Things running smoothly on the Java team?
Agreed. He is a supply guy but no visionary. Kinda sad. I still love my Mac products but reading an article recently which said the board of apple is putting pressure on Tim cook to turn around products faster dt the ongoing threat of android. I think that's the wrong way of running apple. Apple was always about fine tuning a product and making it close to perfection to satisfy Steve Jobs drive for perfection. In that drive, products became great and caught on. Releasing products for the sake of the bottom sounds like apple of the mid to late 80s after jobs was ousted and apple launching crappy products.
Completely agree, people around here are like "Tim's just as good!" And then there they're like "Why the hell is the stock value going down? Apple's doing just fine!" They can't accept the fact that Apple isn't the same.
I don't know where you've been because Apple hasn't been innovating since Steve Jobs' time at Apple.
I really never understood why Jobs was such good friends with Ellison. They are polar opposites when it comes to values and how to manage a company.
If Ellison truly knew Steve that well, he'd know that Apple today is entirely Steve's creation. The Apple in 85 was not Steve's creation, it was Sculleys/boards creation. There's a big difference. It's almost insulting to Jobs legacy to think he was only good for building products, and not as a company builder as well. He built one of the greatest organizations in the world, and to think that for one minute these talented people can't continue to do great things without Steve is an insult to Steve's ability to build an organization, but also an insult to those brilliant people who HAVE been instrumental at Apple alongside Steve.
Steve's legacy should be about building a company organization unlike any other with a deep rooted culture of excellence. Culture cannot be imitated nor can it easily be broken.
Watch the full interview Cringley did with Jobs for Triumph of the Nerds. Steve talks about how he gets too much of the credit because people like to have figureheads, but behind the scenes there's a lot of people who really deserve the credit. Steve said this himself. Who should we listen to? It's sad how everyone idolizes Steve Jobs yet no one wants to listen to what he actually says. He said don't ask "what would I do." He said dont give him all the credit and realize everything is a collective group effort. Yet nobody seems to want to believe him. Obviously he is an irreplaceable man, but I believe in him enough to know that his real genius was in building a company and not just products.
If Ellison truly knew Steve that well, he'd know that Apple today is entirely Steve's creation. The Apple in 85 was not Steve's creation, it was Sculleys/boards creation. There's a big difference. It's almost insulting to Jobs legacy to think he was only good for building products, and not as a company builder as well. He built one of the greatest organizations in the world, and to think that for one minute these talented people can't continue to do great things without Steve is an insult to Steve's ability to build an organization, but also an insult to those brilliant people who HAVE been instrumental at Apple alongside Steve.
Steve's legacy should be about building a company organization unlike any other with a deep rooted culture of excellence. Culture cannot be imitated nor can it easily be broken.
Watch the full interview Cringley did with Jobs for Triumph of the Nerds. Steve talks about how he gets too much of the credit because people like to have figureheads, but behind the scenes there's a lot of people who really deserve the credit. Steve said this himself. Who should we listen to? It's sad how everyone idolizes Steve Jobs yet no one wants to listen to what he actually says. He said don't ask "what would I do." He said dont give him all the credit and realize everything is a collective group effort. Yet nobody seems to want to believe him. Obviously he is an irreplaceable man, but I believe in him enough to know that his real genius was in building a company and not just products.
The flaw in Ellison's analysis is Steve chose his successors the 2nd time around because they had a track record for success with Apple.
Tim Cook is not there to be fake Steve Jobs. Had Jobs wanted someone like that, he would have put Forstall in charge.
Steve left Tim Cook in charge because he wanted Apple to actually run, instead of having a bunch of children prancing around creating impractical products just to prove they are visionaries like Steve Jobs.
It's almost like people want Tim to throw all sanity out the window and dump some stupid ass product on the market just to prove he can do something "innovative"
Slow and steady, lots of wood behind few arrows, pick your battles, and don't play your competitor's games. Play the Apple game, with Apple rules. This is what made Apple strong. Not Chasing Sony in the early 2000's or Samsung now. That's how to make Apple fail.
Tim Cook is not there to be fake Steve Jobs. Had Jobs wanted someone like that, he would have put Forstall in charge.
Steve left Tim Cook in charge because he wanted Apple to actually run, instead of having a bunch of children prancing around creating impractical products just to prove they are visionaries like Steve Jobs.
It's almost like people want Tim to throw all sanity out the window and dump some stupid ass product on the market just to prove he can do something "innovative"
Slow and steady, lots of wood behind few arrows, pick your battles, and don't play your competitor's games. Play the Apple game, with Apple rules. This is what made Apple strong. Not Chasing Sony in the early 2000's or Samsung now. That's how to make Apple fail.
Apple does have a lesser future without Steve. Cook is nothing more than a numbers guys. That does not translate into new and exciting products. Nor does it keep the leads Steve gave Apple. The success of Android has proven that.
I'm sorry, that makes no sense. Why would I post that if I hadn't accepted his death?
We saw Apple without Steve Jobs but before Steve Jobs had built up the company. Apple could continue on its current course and still make great products and a lot of money as long as nobody else makes some breakthrough. I can't really see that happening with Google the way they're heading, turning off all their users with Google+ and really intrusive behavior. I actually used to be a fan of Google until recently. Besides, you'd have to take into consideration Sculley and others vs Cook.
First of all, that's insane.
Second of all: http://youtu.be/6RcicFebqRE?t=13m31s
If you're too lazy to click through, the point where it starts is John Lasseter recounting Steve Jobs talking with him after Apple asked him to come back as their CEO. In a private conversation between close friends, he says, "The reason I really need to do this is I feel like the world is a better place with Apple in it."
And exactly how rapidly was Apple innovating when Steve was there? Breakthroughs aren't cyclical, they happen organically, when the time and opportunity is right. Not every single year. He's been gone two years and everyone thinks the sinking of the ship will happen that fast? Lol.
Between the iPod and iPhone was a period of 6 years. The only major innovation during the iPod years was its introduction in 2001, and then the iPod nano in 2005. That was a period of 4 years of just minor improvements until something innovative happened.
People's expectations of Apple have gotten laughably unrealistic over the past few years. And when they do get innovations, they don't even realize it because innovation is sometimes polarizing and brings about change ,as is the case with iOS 7, and before that OSX 10.0 was just as polarizing in 2001. Took people a while to realize how innovative it was, and I imagine iOS 7 will follow a similar path. The mass market will no doubt find it exciting, and the grumpy forum nerds will constantly complain about it.