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Because 3rd party password managers (1password, keeper, bitwarden) offer a lot more flexibility and security than Apple's built-in manager. Apple's version is good enough for basic functions, anything more and a dedicated manager is far more advanced. Everyone knows that LastPass is trash and has always been trash.

To be fair it wasn’t always trash. Its original founder was a smart guy and helped get password managers into the popular consciousness. Then he sold out to LogMeIn, who told him he could stay on as CEO with no significant changes.

That lasted a year or so until they started messing with things.
 
Because 3rd party password managers (1password, keeper, bitwarden) offer a lot more flexibility and security than Apple's built-in manager. Apple's version is good enough for basic functions, anything more and a dedicated manager is far more advanced. Everyone knows that LastPass is trash and has always been trash.
That used to be true but now that they added 2FA and notes there isn’t much of a difference and, in Apple slickness, the 2FA integration is one tap seamless. The only reason I use BitWarden as well is for redundancy. I would like to see categories added, I do like that in BW.
 
Because 3rd party password managers (1password, keeper, bitwarden) offer a lot more flexibility and security than Apple's built-in manager. Apple's version is good enough for basic functions, anything more and a dedicated manager is far more advanced. Everyone knows that LastPass is trash and has always been trash.

This, plus linux support. Apple is terrible with that.
 
I never really understood what makes a password manager more secure when all they need is the master password to access any of your passwords from multiple platforms instead of „maybe“ gaining access to a single platforms password

You only have to memorize one good password. And then as others have mentioned, use two factor to help protect that. And also as mentioned, it’s about generating strong unique passwords for each service. That’s extremely critical and not many people realize it.
 
I never really understood what makes a password manager more secure when all they need is the master password to access any of your passwords from multiple platforms instead of „maybe“ gaining access to a single platforms password

Any kind of really secure password is not going to be easy to memorize. Since you want every different platform you use to have its own unique password, this means having to potentially memorize dozens of them. This is not really feasible.

It's far more realistic to have one single very secure password manager's login information to memorize and have all other passwords in the password manager itself. All of the passwords managed should be random-generated and quite long, making them extremely secure but pretty much unrealistic to handle by memory, especially those used very rarely.

Furthermore, the password manager's login can typically be secured much better than the average platform's login, e.g. by using two-step authentication with hardware security keys.
 
It’s a pain to retrieve passwords when you want to key them into a non-Apple device. For example, when I went to log in to an account on my windows work laptop, I can view said password via the 1Password app on my Apple Watch. It’s also much easier to generate / change passwords in the 1Password app. iCloud Keychain really needs its own standalone manager app, rather than being hidden in the settings app.

I just have the passwords section of settings open up from an iOS shortcut - icon on my home screen takes me straight there, opens with faceid faster than 1password. Doesn't have all the features of a dedicated password app but it's pretty close and free.
 
That used to be true but now that they added 2FA and notes there isn’t much of a difference and, in Apple slickness, the 2FA integration is one tap seamless. The only reason I use BitWarden as well is for redundancy. I would like to see categories added, I do like that in BW.

Not much difference? If so, where can I get these features using iCloud:

  • Multiple vaults so I can separate personal from work passwords?
  • Ability to give family members access to certain passwords (like streaming services) while keeping other passwords only to myself
  • Ability to store sensitive documents, along with personal information (Drivers License numbers, SSNs, etc.)
  • Ability to fill MORE than just user name and password fields (At aa.com, I have to enter my number and last name to log in.)
  • Ability to recognize when a site uses SSO via Apple, Google, GitHub, etc. and remember that setting so the next time I go to that site it takes me direcly to the correct SSO login?
  • Save my SSH keys so I don't have to manually copy them to each computer I use?
If you have basic needs, sure iCloud works. But, the best Password managers do SO much more. People need to stop saying that Apple is "almost the same". They are not even in the same ballpark.
 
Never used them.

I used KeePass for a long time because I had 100% control over my data as it is never uploaded and stored locally at all times. It was a bit of a hassle to sync between devices so I moved to Bitwarden. They need to upload your data to sync it but I feel like they are trustworthy. It's open source and if you are really concerned you can run your own server.

Not had any issues with Bitwarden since i started using it so I highly recommend it.

That said, I still use the built in password manager on iOS. not for all my logins but just for some apps i use on my iphone/ipad so it's a bit easier to sync. Also i use it for generating one time codes for some accounts. If you use Bitwarden you don't get time based codes on the free plan you need to get premium. I'm using the iOS manager to do this since it's free but I might end up moving them to Bitwarden and paying the $10/year that it cost.
 
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It’s a pain to retrieve passwords when you want to key them into a non-Apple device. For example, when I went to log in to an account on my windows work laptop, I can view said password via the 1Password app on my Apple Watch. It’s also much easier to generate / change passwords in the 1Password app. iCloud Keychain really needs its own standalone manager app, rather than being hidden in the settings app.
There's a Windows extension for Chrome/Edge. And it supports 2FA codes as well. You just need the Microsoft Store version of iCloud.
 
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There's a Windows extension for Chrome/Edge. And it supports 2FA codes as well. You just need the Microsoft Store version of iCloud.
I am using a work-issued laptop, so no to extensions or apps that don't come preloaded. How I would kill to have just one ad-blocker installed in chrome...😕
 
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Bitwarden all the way. I host it on my local box for free and I can share with my family members, and the encrypted container sits safely on my "server". If Apple supported shared iCloud keychains, that would be amazing, but they don't. I understand how this might compromise their security, so I'm not unhappy with it.
 
After two security breaches, people should stop using LastPass, get off ASAP, it's proven too insecure.


Why would you not use the built in password manager and instead willingly pay to use another, less secure, manager?

Because other password managers may offer more functionality and flexibility?

You automatically assume the built in solution is more secure, which may not be the case for all.
 
And I'd STILL move over to LastPass vs the shambles and subscription, 1pass lock-in, removal of iCloud, electron shambles of a setup that 1Password has!!

Bitter? Yep.😆
I'm wondering if you're implying that LastPass is subscription-free? Not sure.

I checked and indeed there is a subscription-free version of LastPass, but it only works for 1 user on 1 device. Many of us have to have the passwords accessible across at least 1 more device if not more, and often across platforms. In those cases. LastPass is still subscription required.
 
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Been using LastPass for a long time. 1Password didn't even exist back then.

Never switched because i don't have enough information to decide which one is more trustworthy.
Sure, Lastpass got hacked now and we don't really know for sure if their data really can't be decrypted. But same could happen with 1Password and then i would be in the same situation again. All we have is their word, that it can only be decrypted on our devices/with the secret key.

I think i will have to look into Bitwarden and Host it on my NAS. And only make Sync accessible through VPN.
But not sure how i'm going to connect with my work computer then..
 
I am worried that if something like this happened to kCloud Keychain, Apple wouldn’t tell anyone and instead merely declare the service temporarily down for technical reasons, and restart it without any comment.
 
This really irritates me. GoTo has been pushing LastPass as the only way to do multi-factor authentication with their apps (GoToMyPC, GoToMeeting, etc.) Users at my workplace were previously using SMS for MFA login codes without issue but GoTo claims there were all kinds of problems so they had no choice but to replace it with their own quality product LastPass. I'm sure it does wonders for their user count but our users hate it and it's complicated to set up. :rolleyes:

And now, it's not even secure. What a disaster.
 
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