Why is everyone so pissed? its like buying a 250cc motorbikes and being upset it can't keep up with the 1000cc bikes. Chill out people!
Except that last week you could buy a 1000cc bike for less money than today's 250cc bike.
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Late 2014 Mac Mini Benchmarks Indicate Decreased Multi-Core Performance
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Except that last week you could buy a 1000cc bike for less money than today's 250cc bike.
This is truly it!!
It has nothing to do with a socketed motherboard, or how the price point would have been off the mark. It is truly that the Mac Mini Quad Core is too powerful at under $1,000 and would have cannibalized their Mac Pro line. That is it, done, move on...
Now, Apple, stop being stupid and find another Steve Jobs to help you run this company!!!
It has nothing to do with a socketed motherboard, or how the price point would have been off the mark. It is truly that the Mac Mini Quad Core is too powerful at under $1,000 and would have cannibalized their Mac Pro line. That is it, done, move on...
Now, Apple, stop being stupid and find another Steve Jobs to help you run this company!!!
So anyone that thinks Apple is not innovating anymore is EXACTLY RIGHT! This is CRAP in every aspect. Jobs would have NEVER allowed this.
You still have to dissipate that heat. That heat has to go somewhere.
More heat means more mass for the heatsink. Means good airflow. Power that's being wasted, but still has to be provided by the power supply.
I have 4 computers in an office. Trust me, when all 4 are running its gets about 15*F hotter in that room then the rest of the house.
I can't see that *most* people using a Mac Mini even need quad cores. I have the base 2012 Mini with just 4GB or RAM. It runs iTunes 24/7, I run Virtualbox occasionally for a Linux operating system. It really is enough.
You also have Quick Sync built-in to the processor that allows for video encoding to be done with very little CPU overhead.
Well if this is the reason that's some reassurance that maybe Apple doesn't just simply hate the mini. (It's very clear they don't like it and want everyone to buy an iMac instead, but they had at least seemed Ok with offering it for those who insisted.)
Perhaps if the next generation processor uses the same socket for both dual and quad core there will quad core options again. Especially if everyone continues to complain about it, so please carry on!
I DONT need a MacPro
I DO need to upgrade the RAM ( and NOT at Apple prices !)
I DO need to be able to replace the HD WHEN if fails, not IF if fails.
So, now the Mac Mini is out, and so are the iMacs.
Leaving me with a product line of zilch.
Combine that with the Ugliness of Yosemite and you start looking real close at Linux.
The Mac itself (with an exception of the way overpriced Mac Pro) is not intended for those who want a high performance computer, laptop or desktop.
Apple is going WAY downhill and fast. (Unless you have $4k for a computer. What a joke!
There wasn't a price drop. They introduced a configuration that wasn't previously used for $100 less.
It should be obvious by now that the mini is now a MacBook Air without a screen and battery. Previously, it was a 13'' MBP without a screen, but since they don't make those anymore, they had to switch.
I also think that this mini is a stop-gap measure. They probably planned to shrink it down with Broadwell and release a much smaller device with the same power as the 2012 model ...
I also think that this mini is a stop-gap measure. They probably planned to shrink it down with Broadwell and release a much smaller device with the same power as the 2012 model ...
With only 5% of Apple's revenue coming from Macs, easy to see why the company has taken their foot off the gas in THAT sector.
In 5 years, they will only be selling iPhones and iPads.
In 5 years, they will only be selling iPhones and iPads.
Why is everyone so pissed? its like buying a 250cc motorbikes and being upset it can't keep up with the 1000cc bikes. Chill out people!
Well, please tell me then which Mac I am supposed to buy next time when I want to upgrade from my current Mac Mini (luckily, a 2.6 quad core model). I don't want to buy a display with my Mac every time I get a new one, so I won't go for the iMac and Macbook Pro. So what is left? A Mac Pro? Seriously?
There's a huge gap now in the Mac product line for displayless options, and Apple has cut my ideal configuration out of its product line. I fall right into that gap - like many others.
I could get a displayless "1000cc bike" from Apple until last week. Now, if I want a Mac with the same performance, I have to buy a Macbook Pro for a significantly higher price, because it has a retina display that I neither need nor want. Understand now why I am pissed?
Now Windows/Linux will cannibalise the WHOLE Mac line because:
Every Mac I have owned I have later upgraded the RAM
Half of the Macs I have owned have had the HD replaced, again either for something bigger OR the HD has failed.
I get what you're saying, but the mac mini was never meant to be a 1000cc.. its the 250's of Apple products. People want it perform like a 1000cc (my last reference to motorcycles lol) just because apple once had a great performing mac mini. Apples product lineup has changed enough over the past couple of years. People just set their expectations a little too high. The mac mini is still a very capable machine. If you want more then you just have to purchase more. My opinion.
The heat was never an issue on the 2011, 2012 models. Regardless of how some spin it, this is absolutely a money grab by Apple. They force obsolescence, they provide short term warranties with no option for long term (more than 3 years), and they charge TRIPLE for their forced upgrades. Its outrageous and shameful.
where is the affordable desktop quad core?
The problem is that they don't offer a single quad core processor DESKTOP computer for under $3000. That is simply ridiculous. The pro customer (graphic designers, architects, photographers, gamers, etc.) needs quad core desktop computing at affordable prices. I'm an architect and yes we bought a new $4000 6 core Mac Pro. It works well even if our software doesn't take advantage of the extra GPU - hence we overpaid for how we use the machine. However, we don't need and can't afford ALL of our machines to cost $3000 or more. We also want to upgrade our server eventually....with what now?
A lot of us have invested in the Mac Mini product line, hoping we could upgrade it into the future. I don't care if some of you want to define a Mac Mini as a "low end" or "entry level" Mac. They had an affordable quad core computer and now they don't. It cost us $1300 for the old quad core Mac Mini (after aftermarket RAM upgrades). We have 5 of them in the office = $6500 The graphics cards are not great, but they run our 3D software well enough. To upgrade now we are being forced to buy an iMac or a Mac Pro. The Mac Pro starts at $3000. Times 5 machines = $15000. So now we need to spend an additional $8500 for Mac Pro's??? No thanks Apple. That is more than our original 5 Mini's cost.
And WE DO NOT WANT TO UPGRADE TO IMAC'S. Too glossy and reflective, not the right screen size for us, we already own 10 great looking, non-reflective, affordable screens since we were in the Mac Mini product line, there is no matching second screen (sorry we are not paying $1000 for the 27" outdated Apple display), you can't easily transport the iMac, etc... The iMac works for some business just great, but not for us. At a minimum we would like to CHOOSE an iMac or a desktop just as the low end and high end customer can do.
They didn't replace it with anything. It is simply gone. What about that don't those defending Apple get? To add insult to injury they soldered the RAM and didn't even throw in Iris Pro graphics on the high end dual core.
We need a quad core i7 machine with decent graphics (Iris Pro or discrete graphics at a minimum) for an affordable price. NOT the iMac. The iMac is not what we want as a replacement. For some reason you can buy a cheap desktop and a really really expensive one, but nothing in the middle. They need to stop up and fill the middle again.
They could easily solve this by adding back a Mac Mini quad core option, hopefully with Iris Pro graphics. Or make a less expensive Mac Pro option: quad i7 with a single Firepro graphics card.
We will ride out our 2012 quad core Mini's as long as we can. If they don't have a mid level machine in the $1200-$2000 range next year we will transition to PC's. Which for me also means when I upgrade my phone and tablet it is time for Samsung.
If Apple is not going to support small business design professionals, then we are not going to support them.
The problem is that they don't offer a single quad core processor DESKTOP computer for under $3000. That is simply ridiculous. The pro customer (graphic designers, architects, photographers, gamers, etc.) needs quad core desktop computing at affordable prices. I'm an architect and yes we bought a new $4000 6 core Mac Pro. It works well even if our software doesn't take advantage of the extra GPU - hence we overpaid for how we use the machine. However, we don't need and can't afford ALL of our machines to cost $3000 or more. We also want to upgrade our server eventually....with what now?
A lot of us have invested in the Mac Mini product line, hoping we could upgrade it into the future. I don't care if some of you want to define a Mac Mini as a "low end" or "entry level" Mac. They had an affordable quad core computer and now they don't. It cost us $1300 for the old quad core Mac Mini (after aftermarket RAM upgrades). We have 5 of them in the office = $6500 The graphics cards are not great, but they run our 3D software well enough. To upgrade now we are being forced to buy an iMac or a Mac Pro. The Mac Pro starts at $3000. Times 5 machines = $15000. So now we need to spend an additional $8500 for Mac Pro's??? No thanks Apple. That is more than our original 5 Mini's cost.
And WE DO NOT WANT TO UPGRADE TO IMAC'S. Too glossy and reflective, not the right screen size for us, we already own 10 great looking, non-reflective, affordable screens since we were in the Mac Mini product line, there is no matching second screen (sorry we are not paying $1000 for the 27" outdated Apple display), you can't easily transport the iMac, etc... The iMac works for some business just great, but not for us. At a minimum we would like to CHOOSE an iMac or a desktop just as the low end and high end customer can do.
They didn't replace it with anything. It is simply gone. What about that don't those defending Apple get? To add insult to injury they soldered the RAM and didn't even throw in Iris Pro graphics on the high end dual core.
We need a quad core i7 machine with decent graphics (Iris Pro or discrete graphics at a minimum) for an affordable price. NOT the iMac. The iMac is not what we want as a replacement. For some reason you can buy a cheap desktop and a really really expensive one, but nothing in the middle. They need to stop up and fill the middle again.
They could easily solve this by adding back a Mac Mini quad core option, hopefully with Iris Pro graphics. Or make a less expensive Mac Pro option: quad i7 with a single Firepro graphics card.
We will ride out our 2012 quad core Mini's as long as we can. If they don't have a mid level machine in the $1200-$2000 range next year we will transition to PC's. Which for me also means when I upgrade my phone and tablet it is time for Samsung.
If Apple is not going to support small business design professionals, then we are not going to support them.
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This all makes sense to me, the Mac Mini isn't intended for heavy lifting. If you really need a quad core or a powerful machine, Apple has a lineup for that already (MBP, iMac, nMP). The majority of people buying these machines aren't people on MacRumors, they are people who browse FB and check email. Now they get a machine that will be faster for that and at a cheaper price. Only people complaining are trying to shoehorn a low tier product to do high tier functions.
The new Mac Minis in that chart are base priced at $1000 and $1200, not $499... So, yeah, we're surprised these machines are to be slower than the two year old models.
Because the iPad Air wasn't also pretty useless? Yay a fingerprint button and its thinner.
I'm a big Apple fan but this particular "event" didn't need to happen in my book. Yosemite's release is the only worthwhile thing out the whole lot if you ask me.
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Now I keep going with my early 2009 .... there is always next year ... or the year after. A 40 minute handbrake takes an hour and 20 minutes.
Darn
Darn
Adding insult to injury...Apple does not have a single 2012 Mini available as a refurb. Virtually every other older Mac available as a refurb, but no Mini. They will be flying off the refurb shelves when/if available.
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