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99% of people that bought the first iPhone had no idea they wanted or needed this device and would have happily typed away on their Blackberry forever had Apple not released it. I think my point is clear.
You may think your point is clear, but that doesn’t mean your point is clear. Go back and look at the press the phone got after the announcement. A better iPod than iPod. A real web browser to view the real web. Visual voicemail. An amazing map application. It solved many problems better than existing solutions.
 
You may think your point is clear, but that doesn’t mean your point is clear. Go back and look at the press the phone got after the announcement. A better iPod than iPod. A real web browser to view the real web. Visual voicemail. An amazing map application. It solved many problems better than existing solutions.

By looking at some of your previous posts, it’s clear that you may have been insulted by my “parrot” statement. Perhaps the iPhone wasn’t the best example (although I still believe that most people had no idea they wanted or needed it, the iPad is probably a better one)but my point, in general, is clear enough. Not all tech needs to solve a problem for it to exist and probably everyone here has bought something that solved zero problems in their lives just because they wanted it. Why does everything created need to be a solution to an existing (real or perceived) problem? The negativity and same inane one-liners spewed over and over again are getting ridiculous.
 
Glass isn't supposed to fold in half. Looks like they engineered glass that can in a limited capacity but ultimately can't handle the rigors of folding and unfolding a phone multiple times per day.
 
By looking at some of your previous posts, it’s clear that you may have been insulted by my “parrot” statement. Perhaps the iPhone wasn’t the best example (although I still believe that most people had no idea they wanted or needed it, the iPad is probably a better one)but my point, in general, is clear enough. Not all tech needs to solve a problem for it to exist and probably everyone here has bought something that solved zero problems in their lives just because they wanted it. Why does everything created need to be a solution to an existing (real or perceived) problem? The negativity and same inane one-liners spewed over and over again are getting ridiculous.

I have no idea what you mean by the parrot stuff, but if you are implying I am some sort of Apple fan boy you missed my many posts complaining about butterfly keyboards, Catalina bugs, and iOS 13 email bugs.

As for why a technology needs to solve a problem, that is obvious. If a new tool can’t do at least SOMETHING better than existing solutions (where “better” may mean “less well, but at a much cheaper price,” etc.), then it will fail.

It’s not ”negativity” to point out flaws with products.

And quit projecting - not everyone here has “bought something that solved zero problems in their lives just because they wanted it.” Not unless you define “problem” exceedingly narrowly. The problem being solved can be “i want to show I have cooler stuff than you,“ but you can’t solve that by showing off a phone with a giant tear down the middle of the screen.
 
Not all tech needs to solve a problem for it to exist and probably everyone here has bought something that solved zero problems in their lives just because they wanted it. Why does everything created need to be a solution to an existing (real or perceived) problem? The negativity and same inane one-liners spewed over and over again are getting ridiculous.
Ok, you do have a valid point... w/ one caveat.
Certainly the original iPhone solved some problems, but indeed some great enhancements came simply from form evolution. Take bezels, for example- the Retina display on an old 3rd gen iPad is high resolution, even by today’s standards... but the lack of bezel on a new iPad would make it look clunky in comparison. So, as you say- sometimes products/designs are created to solve a problem, & other times... simply to do something more elegantly/efficiently.

But (here comes the caveat!), this new smattering of foldable phones actually do neither.
They solve no problems AND are not representative of a simpler or more elegant way to interact with a smartphone, soooo...
 
Ok, you do have a valid point... w/ one caveat.
Certainly the original iPhone solved some problems, but indeed some great enhancements came simply from form evolution. Take bezels, for example- the Retina display on an old 3rd gen iPad is high resolution, even by today’s standards... but the lack of bezel on a new iPad would make it look clunky in comparison. So, as you say- sometimes products/designs are created to solve a problem, & other times... simply to do something more elegantly/efficiently.

But (here comes the caveat!), this new smattering of foldable phones actually do neither.
They solve no problems AND are not representative of a simpler or more elegant way to interact with a smartphone, soooo...

Except you’re wrong. I explained two problems that they solved in my first post as have others.
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I have no idea what you mean by the parrot stuff, but if you are implying I am some sort of Apple fan boy you missed my many posts complaining about butterfly keyboards, Catalina bugs, and iOS 13 email bugs.

As for why a technology needs to solve a problem, that is obvious. If a new tool can’t do at least SOMETHING better than existing solutions (where “better” may mean “less well, but at a much cheaper price,” etc.), then it will fail.

It’s not ”negativity” to point out flaws with products.

And quit projecting - not everyone here has “bought something that solved zero problems in their lives just because they wanted it.” Not unless you define “problem” exceedingly narrowly. The problem being solved can be “i want to show I have cooler stuff than you,“ but you can’t solve that by showing off a phone with a giant tear down the middle of the screen.

Countless posters have all said that foldables “are a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist” as if it was an original statement that required applause...multiple times in this thread and countless time in others. That was what my parrot statement in my first post referred to and I assumed it bothered you since you’ve said the same or similar things in previous posts.

It is negativity if the entire post consists of one sentence with the sole intention of bashing a product. There are dozens if not hundreds of those in the foldables threads.

And no, technology absolutely does not need to solve a problem otherwise video games wouldn’t exist because they solve zero problems (and have caused many for some people) yet millions of people own and love them. Being new and different with a good possibility that people will enjoy it is valid enough reason for tech to be introduced, it doesn’t need to solve anything.

I’m not projecting. I‘ve no doubts that many, many people here own tech they don’t need. Many of them have freely admitted such. You can deny it all you want but I’m not buying it.



Have a nice day. I’ve better things to do now.
 
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You may think your point is clear, but that doesn’t mean your point is clear. Go back and look at the press the phone got after the announcement. A better iPod than iPod. A real web browser to view the real web. Visual voicemail. An amazing map application. It solved many problems better than existing solutions.

I'm probably in the minority, but it's definitely something that I wanted, in particular the ability to view web pages on my phone. I also really wanted an iPod that allowed me to enter in new Calendar dates. Even for the stuff that I didn't know I wanted, I quickly saw the utility after the demo.

There's some potential in the future of folding phones, but it's incremental, basically a bigger screen in a smaller package. Maybe someone will invent a use case that changed as much as the iPhone does, but that definitely hasn't happened yet.
 
There's some potential in the future of folding phones, but it's incremental, basically a bigger screen in a smaller package.
If it’s all about a bigger screen in a smaller package, I’d rather have Apple pushing forward AR glasses as “(even) big(ger) screen in a tiny package”, even if it’d mean to have an Apple Watch in addition, for the “heavy lifting”.

That would be a much more robust solution and could do so much more than a mere foldable screen (which has to sacrifice device thickness for the foreseeable future as big Negative already).
 
If it’s all about a bigger screen in a smaller package, I’d rather have Apple pushing forward AR glasses as “(even) big(ger) screen in a tiny package”, even if it’d mean to have an Apple Watch in addition, for the “heavy lifting”.

That would be a much more robust solution and could do so much more than a mere foldable screen (which has to sacrifice device thickness for the foreseeable future as big Negative already).
I’ve said that on here many times. Identify the problem. If it’s really “maximum display in minimal space,” then solve the problem for real. A folding device may give you a 2:1 display to surface area improvement. A rolled up device maybe 10:1. AR-glasses can stick a 100” display in front of you and take no more space than an Apple Watch.
 
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I’m with pretty much everyone else here: Not a surprise at all. Pointless concept that can never work.
 
I have an idea... let’s make a folding car! Not that it would help anyone actually use their car, but I bet we could make one. Let’s do this!!

Yea, who would want a car with a folding top. I mean that would convert it into something completely else. We would have to call it a convertible or some other silly name. smh
 
If it’s all about a bigger screen in a smaller package, I’d rather have Apple pushing forward AR glasses as “(even) big(ger) screen in a tiny package”, even if it’d mean to have an Apple Watch in addition, for the “heavy lifting”.

That would be a much more robust solution and could do so much more than a mere foldable screen (which has to sacrifice device thickness for the foreseeable future as big Negative already).

I suspect Apple agrees, although it's not either/or.
 
I think people are missing the point of having these foldable or multi-screen phones. It is more screen real estate. And owning a foldable phone only and not a phone and an iPad. IMHO Microsoft is on the right track with the Surface Duo phone and tablet. None of this flexible screens stuff.


Sometimes (often) combining two things doesn't give you the best of both worlds, it gives you the worst of both worlds, a the Galaxy Fold demonstrated. It was a terrible smartphone (because of horrible aspect ratio and bezels) and a terrible tablet (because of horrible aspect ratio, bezels and crease in the middle) PLUS the screen quality was a huge step back AND it broke super easily. The entire thing was a disaster.

In order for the inevitable tradeoffs to make sense you need benefits that are significantly better. So far these foldable devices over no compelling benefits worth the tradeoffs (bulkier, awkward, fragile, etc.). For the sole advantage of sometimes having a larger screen? Is that really a problem most people experience while carrying around a smartphone? Is it really that difficult for the handful of people who need a tablet on a regular basis to bring a second device? Doubtful.
 
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Steve had a point, though.

Those 7" tablets had 16:9 screens. They were very narrow in portrait, and very short in landscape. It was the worst of both worlds.

But when Apple decided to enter the small tablet market... the iPad's 4:3 aspect ratio gave you more screen real estate in both orientations.

And let's not forget about tablet apps on Android. They were literally blown-up phone apps 99% of the time... especially back then.

I'm sure Android tablet apps are better today... but the narrow screen and lack of decent tablet apps made Steve's statement understandable at the time.

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Never thought of that!

Android tablet apps are better today? What android tablet?;)
 
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I suspect Apple agrees, although it's not either/or.
With Apple, it may very well be. Remember how Apple was willing to cannibalise their own iPod line with the iPhone. It certainly seems like Apple is funnelling most of their resources into wearables, at the expense of the Mac, and quite possibly the iPhone as well.


Remember that Apple's overarching goal is to make technology more personal, and if Apple thinks that they can replace the iPhone with the Apple Watch, they will.
 
Either so many companies with their extensive customer outreach and market research, and the need for solid justification of potential returns from a new technology to justify the substantial R&D outlay are simultaneously wrong, or you are. I wonder which is more likely?
It's more likely that the companies are wrong.

Even with decades of experience building products and integrating hardware, software, and services, you still have people who decide to make a smartphone with a hardware keyboard, netbook, circular smartwatch, or a foldable phone. The reason why Apple has not made any of these, and instead created iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods, and is now working of Glasses, is design.

Design is the magic ingredient, with Apple designers calling the shots, and searching for and having technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product. Apple Glasses vs. foldable phones is the latest example of Apple's design culture leading to an entirely different product than what engineering-led companies are doing.

My takeaway - these companies are unsure of what the next big thing is. As a result, we see Samsung position rethinking the smartphone as a top priority because really, what other option is there? Throw in a piece of tech they have been experimenting with for years (flexible displays) and likely have spent a handsome sum on R&D, which Samsung is probably desperate to recoup, and the temptation is simply too much to resist.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the Z Flip. What is the Z Flip’s value proposition even? Being able to prop up a smartphone camera on a table for long-distance self-portraits? Since being closed is the Z Flip's default position, the user ends up looking at pretty much everything but the screen. The tiny front-facing window for notifications is a joke. If someone wants a convenient screen for notifications, a smartwatch is the better option in every way.

This is where Apple and Samsung's long-term product strategies could not be more different. Apple is going all-in on wearables (to the point of being willing to neglect their Mac lineup). Samsung knows they have little chance of succeeding with wearables, and have thus chosen to double down on the smartphone.

Some will argue that folding phones and wearables are not mutually exclusive, that Apple could do a folding iPhone in addition to the Apple Watch, AirPods and even Apple glasses. I am increasingly of the opinion that they are, in that a successful wearable platform will make the need for folding phones largely irrelevant.

I predict that the way Samsung has been dragging its feet with smartwatches is a strategic blunder that the company will pay for over the next decade, though it may not be a matter that Samsung has much control over.
 
Either so many companies with their extensive customer outreach and market research, and the need for solid justification of potential returns from a new technology to justify the substantial R&D outlay are simultaneously wrong, or you are. I wonder which is more likely?
Are we pretending that these companies are usually right? Because history has a different opinion. How many failed things has Samsung tried? Their strategy, which works well for them, is to try lots of things, and a few of them are successful.

As for Moto - what have they been successful at since the days of the original Razor?
 
Nobody is saying they are always right. The point is, there is a high bar to committing this amount of resource to a new technology, and multiple companies have decided to do so - including Apple, who have already been granted a patent for a foldable display hinge. It may or may not end up being The Next Big Thing, but it is asinine to dismiss foldable screen technology as "a solution in search of a problem".

I don’t *think* people are dismissing the technology, as opposed to dismissing the products/form factors we’ve seen *so far*
 
I bet you folks all think you're so unique and clever for using this tired expression.

Phones with a screen larger than what you would normally be able to fit in your pocket, solves a real problem. None of them do so reliably, but to say that there's no benefit to the concept of a folding phone is just not true.
We'll see. So far anything along these lines has made inefficient use of the screen real-estate which is used, has scarified dramatically in the department of reliability, are very expensive, and are bulkier (which seems like it would run rather contrary to storing in a pocket). As compared to a simpler, more reliable device, which makes good use of surface area with a screen, and is just sized smaller.

If these do find a sound and material market, they will be executed far, far better than anything we're seeing on the market today, rather than using customers as guinea pigs for poorly made products.

Not much sense in addressing your snipe on using a phrase which carries clear meaning.
 
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