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Okay, I love this guy. I liked him on TWiT, but now I love him even more. My favorite line in his article:

"The "bars" are useless; we were stunned to find out that we have no idea what they mean, nor what their time constant was. Truly stunned."
 
has anyone brought up the fact that if you use the wrong antenna, or modifying the existing antenna (which you are doing if you touch the legondary gap) you burn out the radio?
 
has anyone brought up the fact that if you use the wrong antenna, or modifying the existing antenna (which you are doing if you touch the legondary gap) you burn out the radio?

I kind of doubt the transmitter puts out that kind of power. I've directly shorted across the gap with a copper wire several times, totally losing reception, and it hasn't even gotten warm because of it. If this is actually a fact, I'd like to see read it myself. Where can I find it?
 
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samcraig said:
tigress666 said:
But... if people are going to exagerate and say this phone can't make calls (seriously, I'm sick of seeing that claim,



Sorry you're sick of a claim which a few of my friends who are very tech savvy are making because they honestly cannot make phone calls because of their loss in signal. It's not an exaggeration. Maybe some people are exaggerating - but that shouldn't detract from the people who actually are.

It is an exaggeration. A brick can't make calls. An iPod nano can't make calls. An iPhone without a sim card can't make calls.



An iPhone 4 can make calls. Maybe you need a case or a different grip or good coverage, but it can in fact make calls in many many circumstances. In fact, there's only one situation in which it cant make calls - medium-weak coverage AND no case AND holding it so the gap is covered.



I'm not denying that there's an issue or that its serious, but to say the iPhone 4 can't make calls is hyperbole that distracts from an actual issue.
 
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samcraig said:
But... if people are going to exagerate and say this phone can't make calls (seriously, I'm sick of seeing that claim,

Sorry you're sick of a claim which a few of my friends who are very tech savvy are making because they honestly cannot make phone calls because of their loss in signal. It's not an exaggeration. Maybe some people are exaggerating - but that shouldn't detract from the people who actually are.

It is an exaggeration. A brick can't make calls. An iPod nano can't make calls. An iPhone without a sim card can't make calls.

An iPhone 4 can make calls. Maybe you need a case or a different grip or good coverage, but it can in fact make calls in many many circumstances. In fact, there's only one situation in which it cant make calls - medium-weak coverage AND no case AND holding it so the gap is covered.

I'm denying that there's an issue or that its serious, but to say the iPhone 4 can't make calls is hyperbole that distracts from an actual issue.
 
We can go around in circles about the actual issue.

I think both sides could or at least should agree on one thing.

Apple needs to take responsibility and accountability and not try to sweep any issues (this or others) under the rug or treat its customers with a lack of respect or intelligence.
 
Interesting article and a good read. My iPhone 4 is superior in connectivity more than my 3G ever was. Not to say that there isn't an issue that Apple definitely needs to address, but everyone focuses on the bad.
 
Interesting article and a good read. My iPhone 4 is superior in connectivity more than my 3G ever was. Not to say that there isn't an issue that Apple definitely needs to address, but everyone focuses on the bad.

Yes, but that's not because they're bored. This is all coming after years of putting up with Apple and Jobs' condescending tone about everything. How you will use your phone, what you're allowed to do with your phone, what service you're allowed to use with your phone, etc. Apple has tried, more than once, to make it an actual arrestable crime to jailbreak your phone so you can do what you'd like with it. "It just works" and Apple knows better than you do...on and on it goes. And what do they do when they screw something up? Why they deny there's a problem (that is, they flat out lie), Jobs tells people they're holding the phone incorrectly and they expect everyone to say "Yes sir Mr Jobs sir" and move along. It kind of strikes me that people are focusing on the negative because this is the straw that broke the camel's back. That it's actually superior to previous iPhones is immaterial.
 
It is an exaggeration. A brick can't make calls. An iPod nano can't make calls. An iPhone without a sim card can't make calls.

An iPhone 4 can make calls. Maybe you need a case or a different grip or good coverage, but it can in fact make calls in many many circumstances. In fact, there's only one situation in which it cant make calls - medium-weak coverage AND no case AND holding it so the gap is covered.

I'm denying that there's an issue or that its serious, but to say the iPhone 4 can't make calls is hyperbole that distracts from an actual issue.

You meant to write "I'm NOT denying......," I think. I agree, BTW.

I guess I saw these results differently, since they seemed to be a positive for the iPhone 4. Sure, there was reduction for the full grip (but lots of error in the results, so, not sure what that means), but everything else looked good.

At any rate, maybe this will all be over tomorrow, and Apple will begin the climb out of this molehill.
 
You meant to write "I'm NOT denying......," I think. I agree, BTW.

I guess I saw these results differently, since they seemed to be a positive for the iPhone 4. Sure, there was reduction for the full grip (but lots of error in the results, so, not sure what that means), but everything else looked good.

At any rate, maybe this will all be over tomorrow, and Apple will begin the climb out of this molehill.

Are ya up for a bet? ;)
 
A bet on what? :)

On whether or not this is all over tomorrow and Apple starts a climb back up. I'd like to believe but Apple has a less than stellar history so I'd call it 50/50. Sounds like the good basis of a bet. ;)

I do agree, by the way, that iPhone 4 is better than any iPhone preceeding it. It holds calls better, the hardware is better, the system is better, the same testing used to prove that the antenna is faulty can be used to prove that the radio is better. That's why I have no plans on returning my phone. Had Apple and Jobs been up front about the problem, this wouldn't have turned into such a huge, prickly PR mess for the company and it's reputation.
 
On whether or not this is all over tomorrow and Apple starts a climb back up. I'd like to believe but Apple has a less than stellar history so I'd call it 50/50. Sounds like the good basis of a bet. ;)

I do agree, by the way, that iPhone 4 is better than any iPhone preceeding it. It holds calls better, the hardware is better, the system is better, the same testing used to prove that the antenna is faulty can be used to prove that the radio is better. That's why I have no plans on returning my phone. Had Apple and Jobs been up front about the problem, this wouldn't have turned into such a huge, prickly PR mess for the company and it's reputation.

Yeah, I honestly think the bigger problem is how they are handling the whole thing.
 
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