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If they are right that only the flood illuminator will be behind the screen then I would love to see how much smaller the dynamic island's gonna be as this small thing between IR camera and dot projector is flood illuminator lol
That will barely make any difference. I'd rather see them moving flood illuminator AND dot projector behind the screen, if that's possible.
I have always wondered why they couldn't salt in some IR blasters within the screen, or, make the output of the OLED panel delve lower into the IR spectrum to produce the same effect. The IR wouldn't be visible to the user, but I guess focus would be an issue.
 
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Technically, it does. More active pixels are on the screen. But realistically, no. It still breaks immersion for videos.
Technically yes, but that space is not really utilized for anything. Menu bars might move up a couple of mm, but otherwise no difference.
 
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The idea of an under-the-display camera is so illogical. If even a fingerprint or light dust can reduce photo quality, then having various display elements—which are much more obstructive in comparison to a fingerprint or light dust—can reduce photo quality much more.

The solution to getting rid of the notch and all notch variants (like Dynamic Notchland) is simple: bring back bezels.
 
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Similar to the notch: unchanged for 4 years (X-12) then a smaller/narrower version (13) before moving to something new (14). With the DI we've had 4 years so far (14-17).
 
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I think this is a controlled leak from Apple. ...
If it is, than it was almost certainly more than one controlled leak, and all but this final one were false leads. More importantly, someone likely just got fired, due to the left corner positioning being identified as the new location for the camera hole punch... because only one suspected leaker got each version.

Ergo, we've probably just witnessed Game of Thrones, Apple edition, folks.
 
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Smaller DI made the most sense anyway. I don't see the need for a full screen, compromised front facing camera for more "immersion". Plus, they need to upsell you on future models when that tech is somehow perfected.

I like what I see so far minus the color choices. As for the purposeful leaks...

"Corinne, I suggest you leave now. You contact your people, and you tell them to check their seals. They have a leak. Do it now, please. This man and I have some unfinished business." - James Bond - Quantum of Solace
 
The idea of an under-the-display camera is so illogical. If even a fingerprint or light dust can reduce photo quality, then having various display elements—which are much more obstructive in comparison to a fingerprint or light dust—can reduce photo quality much more.

The solution to getting rid of the notch and all notch variants (like Dynamic Notchland) is simple: bring back bezels.
A slight uniform bezel all around would be perfect. A better version of the iPad bezel.
 
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Why did Ross Young stop sharing future Apple product reports? His reports were accurate. iPad Pro did get an OLED display.
 
It's possible that multiple reports could be true. For instance, I've wondered if the iPhone Fold will have a camera in the corner on the inner display, for example. The iPhone Fold really complicates the rumors this year.
 
I’m betting it doesn’t totally die. It’s not there when you’re not using apps. If timer or music or whatever is going on, the island will pop up and then disappear after it stops. With Apple’s bouncy animations.
That's what's going to happen eventually, maybe by 2027 at the earliest, but probably 2028 or later. But if it happens as soon as 2027, it might be only for the 20th anniversary iPhone, not the other models in the lineup, and the same might be true for the 2028 models.
 
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The idea of an under-the-display camera is so illogical. If even a fingerprint or light dust can reduce photo quality, then having various display elements—which are much more obstructive in comparison to a fingerprint or light dust—can reduce photo quality much more.

The solution to getting rid of the notch and all notch variants (like Dynamic Notchland) is simple: bring back bezels.
I too think this whole issue could have been solved by keeping at least some of the height/thickness of the original upper bezel, so the camera elements could be located within it. I'm sure Apple considered doing this years ago, but some people there seem to have decided that since such a bezel didn't need to go all the way from the far left to the far right edges of the upper part of the display in order to house the camera parts, they thought we'd appreciate having pixels to the left and right of what became the notch. This makes some sense, since the notch and the Dynamic Island that replaced it are actually just smaller upper bezels, not wider than they need to be, but the problem is that many people naturally perceive them as intrusions onto the display rather than as less-wide bezels.

Design work has been ongoing for some years to figure out how to put a high-quality selfie/front-facing camera under the display, and progress is gradually being made, though the under-display selfie cameras in some Android phones still have less detail and dynamic range, and work even worse in the lower-level light conditions indoors or at night, than in sunlight. But eventually we'll probably get there.
 
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If they are right that only the flood illuminator will be behind the screen then I would love to see how much smaller the dynamic island's gonna be as this small thing between IR camera and dot projector is flood illuminator lol
That will barely make any difference. I'd rather see them moving flood illuminator AND dot projector behind the screen, if that's possible.
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Moving the dot projector under the display is actually the hardest step, since those dots have to be aligned precisely for accurate face recognition, and having any intervening display pixels in the way will mess that up, even if those pixels are shut off when the dot projector is activated. Moving the Face ID IR camera under the display is easier since it's only the receiver for those dots, where a little blurring is acceptable.

That image shows a lot of metal bezel space to the left and right of the selfie camera, so maybe Apple has figured out how to reduce its width in order to help shorten the Dynamic Island, in addition to moving the flood illuminator under the display.
 
That's what's going to happen eventually, maybe by 2027 at the earliest, but probably 2028 or later. But if it happens as soon as 2027, it might be only for the 20th anniversary iPhone, not the other models in the lineup, and the same might be true for the 2028 models.
Their obstacle is getting the hard tech and manufacturing breakthroughs. We will see with it being halfway with FaceID (they’re hacking away at it though). I doubt they’ll gate lock it just for the anniversary phone when that would destroy future sales and they’ve never done something that. Probably a special color and some IOS feature they’ll slap as anniversary (a sale possibly too).
 
Imagine if camera under panel only pop up when use the camera or face id
 
A hole of any size is still unacceptable. I’m looking at cut off text on my screen as I type this. Wish Apple would just make a full view, unobstructed display with a top chin to house the components until they know they can hide it all under screen.
 
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Apple will not be changing the design just one year before 20th anniversary. A smaller dynamic island this year will most likely happen. Overall no design change, expecting some new colors and it will have internal chip upgrades. It will be a minor update when compared to 17 Pro/Pro Max.
 
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Apple will not be changing the design just one year before 20th anniversary. A smaller dynamic island this year will most likely happen. Overall no design change, expecting some new colors and it will have internal chip upgrades. It will be a minor update when compared to 17 Pro/Pro Max.
I think people are putting too much stock on this 20th anniversary thing. They need to make the technological breakthrough for anything to happen- anniversary or not.
 
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this design seemed obvious from the very beginning. they’re not gonna move the island just to kill it off the next generation. it shrinks, then dies, like the notch before.
The notch never died. They just lowered it a bit to create the “island”. Just a marketing trick.
 
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Shrinking it will make absolutely zero difference in terms of screen real estate. It was the same story when they reduced the size of the notch with the 13, it made no difference!
Absolutely correct. I don't understand why people are downvoting you. This is very clear and a design fact. Some screen real estate was lost with the island.
 
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The notch never died. They just lowered it a bit to create the “island”. Just a marketing trick.
I believe the concern at hand is more a discussion of total screen real estate, vs uninterrupted screen real estate. Total screen space did indeed increase with the island, whereas uninterrupted screen space actually decreased, due to the bottom edge of the island being positioned lower than the bottom edge of the notch. Each use case has its value, and Apple chose to prioritize total instead of uninterrupted.

It is indeed a marketing trick, of a sort... but not just because a dead pixel zone still exists. It's also something that they can use as a differentiator between models, and it's something that they can -- in select circumstances -- make less obvious through the use of accessory graphics surrounding the island, such as when they display the login face in the black square; they actually use the unavoidable negative space of the island as part of the desirable negative space surrounding the icon. It's actually kind'a brilliant, in its own way.
 
I believe the concern at hand is more a discussion of total screen real estate, vs uninterrupted screen real estate. Total screen space did indeed increase with the island, whereas uninterrupted screen space actually decreased, due to the bottom edge of the island being positioned lower than the bottom edge of the notch. Each use case has its value, and Apple chose to prioritize total instead of uninterrupted.

It is indeed a marketing trick, of a sort... but not just because a dead pixel zone still exists. It's also something that they can use as a differentiator between models, and it's something that they can -- in select circumstances -- make less obvious through the use of accessory graphics surrounding the island, such as when they display the login face in the black square; they actually use the unavoidable negative space of the island as part of the desirable negative space surrounding the icon. It's actually kind'a brilliant, in its own way.
I thought I would hate it and find no use. But playing with a demo of it I think it’s really useful. I like the timer just showing or music playing (one less app having to be on the Home Screen). Too bad I got a 14 over 15 (someone made a mistake).
 
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