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Latest iPhone 18 Pro Max Dummies Suggest Thicker Camera Plateau, More Protruding Lenses

jdawgnoonan said:
What makes Pro a Pro other than the cameras? Other then camera quality the whole line up all of the way down to the “e” line can do the exact same things (maybe imperceptibly slowe, but the same).
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At the moment nothing that interests most people. That’s why I’m saying, break it up and make a Pro line that actually has professional features and a Plus line that just has better cameras than the normal iPhone like the Pro models used to be. They’ve now crossed into terrain where the looks and form factor are starting to get pushback from the masses while still not having professional features like massive camera sensor or long battery life.
 
winxmac said:
Apple, we need a modern version of this:

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Or even if it's as big as a Pro Max, so long as the back is completely flat like the Google Pixel 10a
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Now THAT was a beautiful phone.
 
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ry-guy said:
I agree…..but theres no more room. Theres a display where the top bezel was on 5s/SE, and bigger front camera module with FaceID. And the lens is like 3x(maybe 4) the size of that old one. It could be flat but that would be a CHONKY phone.
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I think the point winxmac is making (or at least my point) is that they'd sacrifice some camera quality for a flatter phone.

I hear everyone say that camera and battery is all that matters, but in ye olden times not every improvement was increased quality, sometimes you got the same quality but smaller. I guess that's difficult when it comes to imaging, but that's innovation.

For me I'd gladly take "the same quality as last gen but more compact" more often, and as a person who thought the camera was good enough like 8 years ago, I'll accept even reduced quality for longer-lasting jeans pockets...

Velora Bloom said:
At the moment nothing that interests most people. That’s why I’m saying, break it up and make a Pro line that actually has professional features and a Plus line that just has better cameras than the normal iPhone like the Pro models used to be. They’ve now crossed into terrain where the looks and form factor are starting to get pushback from the masses while still not having professional features like massive camera sensor or long battery life.
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For me it's the build quality. As I say above I don't care all that much about the cameras, but I do care about performance, screen quality, premium case materials, features, extra sensors, etc.

To me it's super frustrating I have to carry around a huge honking camera that makes my phone look bad, just because I want those features.
 
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hmmm, maybe make it very slightly wedged shaped so the cameras are flush and protected? (i really hate that the glass is what sticks out the most lol). maybe this gains a little extra space for battery and speakers without making the whole thing a brick? also kind of has the benefit of having the screen and faceid tilted slightly toward you when on a table.
 
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ChrisMac47 said:
It's a big problem. The physics is clear ... for better image quality IQ, the camera has to be thicker (more exactly, the lens diameter has to be larger, and for a fixed f-number that means a thicker camera). Machine learning can tweak IQ but only so far before hallucination sets in.

That's why I think at some point in the future there will be a complete change of form factor (shape) for phones ... it's the only way to incorporate a better camera. The present shape is dominated by the large flat display. There are all kinds of possibilities for change if the display is offloaded to another device (such as glasses). Perhaps in 2035?
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Hahaha. Nope!
 
A smartphone is a "jack of all trades and master of none."

Is an iPhone the best for computer use, web browsing, checking email, using applications? No. The screen is laughably small. The "keyboard" is a joke. The RAM and storage is greatly constrained. iOS is toy operating system. A desktop or laptop runs circles around a phone in this regard.

Is an iPhone the best for photography? No. The image sensor is as small as they come, resulting in high ISO noise and limited resolution. The lens options are greatly limited. An interchangeable lens camera with a 36x24mm format sensor is much better as they have fanastic high ISO performance and around 1,500 lens options just for Nikon F mount, fast autofocus tracking, and they have high-power Xenon flash units instead of the LED "flash" units in phones.
 
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ChrisMac47 said:
It's a big problem. The physics is clear ... for better image quality IQ, the camera has to be thicker (more exactly, the lens diameter has to be larger, and for a fixed f-number that means a thicker camera). Machine learning can tweak IQ but only so far before hallucination sets in.

That's why I think at some point in the future there will be a complete change of form factor (shape) for phones ... it's the only way to incorporate a better camera. The present shape is dominated by the large flat display. There are all kinds of possibilities for change if the display is offloaded to another device (such as glasses). Perhaps in 2035?
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Or, just maybe. They have gotten to the point of being good enough for a camera in your pocket at all times. Like 99% of the time the camera's on my 12 Pro are plenty good. The only time I wish I had a better one was at concerts where I want to zoom in a lot. But that's basically it.
 
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The main means of improving the camera is to increase the size of the image sensor. Which means a bigger camera bump. And you need larger lenses to accommodate the larger sensor, which, again, means a larger camera bump. To get an idea of how far this can go, consider the size of 35mm DSLRs, 35m mirrorless, medium format cameras, large format cameras, ultra large format cameras. As for the iPhone camera getting "better," you'd theoretically be talking about an iPhone camera bump several feet in thickness. Which won't happen, and is why all smartphones use the smallest, lowest-quality imaging sensors available on the market.
 
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