Laurene Powell Jobs Tried to Dissuade Christian Bale and Leonardo DiCaprio From Playing Steve Jobs

[Denmac1]

There is a proverb in Russia: "you speak only good about the dead or not at all..."

I think, Jobs' accomplishments outshine by far any of his escapades or other aspects of his personality.
Therefore I don't understand the reason about making yet another movie about Steve Jobs, doesn't matter how truthfully. Besides of sheer profit, of course.

Anyone interested in those details, can read the autobiography.

General rule says, that every movie needs a drama or some kind of conflict to be successful, - otherwise it would be a ****** boring one.
It this particular case I find misusing that kind of drama inappropriate. To say the least...

I agree. As more of the issues about this movie play out, it is apparent that some (or more) of the dialogue is conjecture. Boyle so much stated that. So someone thought the biography would play well to a movie, however the movie doesn't seem to play to the book, so dramatic license is invoked.
Despite what Sorkin has said, this is all about the money and a nod to Fassbinder and Winslet to be up for an award. To me, this is not movie making to truly assess an individuals accomplishments in his/her life. Ms. Jobs, IMHO, has a right to be ticked off.
After seeing the trailer, I really don't have any interest in seeing this.

 

[appledefenceforce]

Ol' Steve is going to be shown as the monster that he was and Laurene Powell is going to have to suck it up.

Sure. What a monster that he was. I mean compared with US presidents who waged wars against innocent people or pharmaceutical companies price-gouge sick people or M$ abused its dominance on the PC market, Steve Jobs being a harsh boss definitely qualifies him as a monster. /s

As much as I don't idolise Steve, I think this movie is opportunistic at best. They focus on negative things about him and spin it into a feature length movie. Now that he's dead he's not gonna able to fend for himself. He's a terrible boss and a terrible father. So what? It's his private life. He's not a celebrity. He was a businessman. I rarely see any other businessmen being subject to the same scrutiny over their private lives as Jobs is.

The film-makers also come across as egotistical brats. Case in point: accusing Apple of having factories full of children. Really? Why on earth are people like those allowed to say whatever wrongful things they want without being held accountable for defamation?

Also I find it funny that the people on this forum bash the widow for trying to defend her DEAD husband's legacy. As if you wouldn't do the same if it was your family.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Sure. What a monster that he was. I mean compared with US presidents who waged wars against innocent people or pharmaceutical companies price-gouge sick people or M$ abused its dominance on the PC market, Steve Jobs being a harsh boss definitely qualifies him as a monster. /s

I don't see what others have anything to do with how much of a prick Steve Jobs was. Can you explain what relevance they have?

 

[Mystic386]

The movie marketing machine at it's best.

They called in the Hollywood Reporter in to have a chat then allude to how hard it's been to make the movie because of certain other people. What a sleazy piece of journalism. Both parties happy, one gets publicity for the movie "they didn't want us to show you" and the other gets to peddle papers.

Then feed the story to the myriad of forums and you have a feeding frenzy.

Move along, there's nothing to see here.

 

[Tubamajuba]

The studios have no moral or legal obligation to comply with her whining. They'll do as they see fit... and you're comment about it being a drama is only your opinion. We do know that Steve Jobs was known to be a horrible person.

If he were truly a horrible person all the way to his grave, don't you think the people that spent the most time around him would feel that way? Being close to a person gives you a lot more of a right to say things about them compared to some people on the internet who are essentially convinced that Jobs spawned Satan.

Any good account of Jobs' life will balance his flaws with his strengths. Of course, accuracy doesn't get people into theaters, so portraying him as the jerk that people want him to be is the best course of action for someone trying to make money off of his legacy.

 

[blahblah100]

Sure. What a monster that he was. I mean compared with US presidents who waged wars against innocent people or pharmaceutical companies price-gouge sick people or M$ abused its dominance on the PC market, Steve Jobs being a harsh boss definitely qualifies him as a monster. /s

Being a harsh boss does not qualify him as a monster. Denying the paternity of his daughter during some of the most formative years of her life does.

 

[appledefenceforce]

I don't see what others have anything to do with how much of a prick Steve Jobs was. Can you explain what relevance they have?

The relevance is that as much of an ****** Jobs was to his daughter and his subordinates, calling him "a monster" is just plain exaggerating. Perhaps you should have read the post that I was replying to first.

 

[JosephAW]

If they want to do a movie on Jobs, do one on the last week of his life. I know he met with people with differing views; even contrary to his beliefs; to hear one more time their points of views. And his final moments and words.
A movie raw and real played out fully and not Hollywood's depiction.

 

[MaulRx]

This is probably a long shot, but I'm guessing we won't be seeing this on iTunes in like...ever!

The trailer is on the Trailers app. It'll be on iTunes, business is business.

 

[a0me]

Ol' Steve is going to be shown as the monster that he was and Laurene Powell is going to have to suck it up.

I've read the book by Isaacson and seen the Man in the Machine movie and Steve isn't shown as a monster in none of them. They show a very driven man with some personality flaws, nothing more nothing less.

 

[mw360]

The studios have no moral or legal obligation to comply with her whining. They'll do as they see fit... and you're comment about it being a drama is only your opinion. We do know that Steve Jobs was known to be a horrible person.

It's everyone's moral obligation to do the right thing. I'm not sure what's so right about trampling over a widow's memories in pursuit of a 'great story', gold statuettes and money. If she didn't want this made, the respectful thing to do would be to not make it. The movie isn't doing anything so important that normal decency must be overridden.

 

[mijail]

Ol' Steve is going to be shown as the monster that he was and Laurene Powell is going to have to suck it up.

It's always interesting to see people which such animosity as yours calling others "monsters".
(Do you know anything first-hand to call dead people names?)

 

[Michael Scrip]

Unfortunately for her Michael Fassbender is a better actor then both of them and will likely get an Oscar nomination out of this, bringing more attention to this

The Streisand Effect

 

[macs4nw]

Ol' Steve is going to be shown as the monster that he was and Laurene Powell is going to have to suck it up.

Isn't that a bit harsh? Joseph Stalin was a monster who ruthlessly murdered millions of his own people, and so was Adolph Hitler who was responsible for killing six million Jews and untold others, but Steve? come on.....

You can't fault Laurene for standing up for the loving man she knew. Steve by all accounts was a perfectionist who didn't tolerate incompetence and mediocrity very well; that makes him human but hardly a monster.

 

[NDRes]

While I expect the film to be a bit exaggerative (at the very least) of Steve's faults, I do think we should guard against the idea of wanting anything that will come off as hagiography. This is the price you pay for biography. You get to see accomplishments as well as faults.

 

[ChrisLTD]

Isn't that a bit harsh? Joseph Stalin was a monster who ruthlessly murdered millions of his own people, and so was Adolph Hitler who was responsible for killing six million Jews and untold others, but Steve? come on.....

Who isn't a nice person compared to Stalin and Hitler?

 

[John Mcgregor]

Good for her. She is definitely entitled to object to this.

He was a founder and a CEO of one of the most influential companies in the world ever. I don't think it's as clear cut as you say.

 

[Aluminum213]

Isn't that a bit harsh? Joseph Stalin was a monster who ruthlessly murdered millions of his own people, and so was Adolph Hitler who was responsible for killing six million Jews and untold others, but Steve? come on.....

You can't fault Laurene for standing up for the loving man she knew. Steve by all accounts was a perfectionist who didn't tolerate incompetence and mediocrity very well; that makes him human but hardly a monster.

Someone who abandons his own daughter is also a monster

 

[numlock]

The man treated his kid like crap and didn't claim her just to spite the mother. You can't hide that or whitewash it.

perhaps i have missed some news about this movie but i recall her saying that the book should show him as he was. good and bad

did she ever come out and criticise the book?

 

[rdlink]

This is probably a long shot, but I'm guessing we won't be seeing this on iTunes in like...ever!

Don't be so sure. I watched the trailer on Apple TV last night.

 

[rdlink]

Someone who abandons his own daughter is also a monster

Those who would sit in judgment of Steve Jobs are mystifying to me. First of all, there is no way on earth that you know all of the nuances of private conversations, etc. that occurred over the years.

But more importantly, think about all of the things you have done wrong in your life. Things that perhaps even nobody knows about but you. Think about how embarrassed and guilty you are about those things. Perhaps you're still hiding something you do that you don't want anyone else to know about. The point being that we're all humans. We all do stupid, selfish, hurtful things in our lives. Hopefully we realize the error of our ways, rectify our actions and make amends at some point. Steve was fortunate enough to get that opportunity in regard to Lisa. As is documented in many, many places he later admitted paternity, apologized to Lisa and her mother and took full responsibility for his actions (or lack thereof). Lisa even lived with Steve and Laurene from the age of 14. This quote from Wikipedia is just one documentation:

"Years later, after Steve left Apple, "he apologized many times over for his behavior" to Lisa and her mother and "said that he never took responsibility when he should have, and that he was sorry."[2] After reconciling with her, Lisa wanted to change her name and Steve was happy to do so. Steve legally changed her birth certificate, shifting her name from Lisa Brennan to Lisa Brennan-Jobs.[8] Chrisann credits the change in Steve to the influence of his newly found biological sister, the American author Mona Simpson, who worked to repair the relationship between Brennan-Jobs and Steve"​

Don't you think he spent the rest of his life feeling a little bit of pain in his heart every time he looked her in the eyes and realized how he had wronged her? Sure, he did it to himself, but the pain and guilt was still there. Steve was a very bad father to Lisa for the first few years of her life. But he wasn't a monster. If he physically or sexually abused her he would have been a monster. But being a neglectful father, and then realizing it and trying to make up for it does not rise to the level of monster.

 

[joueboy]

The only reason I could think of why Powell trying to kill the movie is because she was never been part of the story. Hardly heard about her in the book and that will distance more Jobs name from her. Too bad can't buy everything.

 

[Ecuadorexpat]

How easy is it to call Bale and DiCaprio?

If you are worth $19 billion, not hard.

 

[Ecuadorexpat]

A man so arrogant that he refused a very common treatment for his medical condition, then required a liver transplant and then died prematurely. Just another rich guy with no friends who cared enough to look him in the eye and say you are full of crap, including his wife.

 

[Ecuadorexpat]

Those who would sit in judgment of Steve Jobs are mystifying to me. First of all, there is no way on earth that you know all of the nuances of private conversations, etc. that occurred over the years.

But more importantly, think about all of the things you have done wrong in your life. Things that perhaps even nobody knows about but you. Think about how embarrassed and guilty you are about those things. Perhaps you're still hiding something you do that you don't want anyone else to know about. The point being that we're all humans. We all do stupid, selfish, hurtful things in our lives. Hopefully we realize the error of our ways, rectify our actions and make amends at some point. Steve was fortunate enough to get that opportunity in regard to Lisa. As is documented in many, many places he later admitted paternity, apologized to Lisa and her mother and took full responsibility for his actions (or lack thereof). Lisa even lived with Steve and Laurene from the age of 14. This quote from Wikipedia is just one documentation:

"Years later, after Steve left Apple, "he apologized many times over for his behavior" to Lisa and her mother and "said that he never took responsibility when he should have, and that he was sorry."[2] After reconciling with her, Lisa wanted to change her name and Steve was happy to do so. Steve legally changed her birth certificate, shifting her name from Lisa Brennan to Lisa Brennan-Jobs.[8] Chrisann credits the change in Steve to the influence of his newly found biological sister, the American author Mona Simpson, who worked to repair the relationship between Brennan-Jobs and Steve"​

Don't you think he spent the rest of his life feeling a little bit of pain in his heart every time he looked her in the eyes and realized how he had wronged her? Sure, he did it to himself, but the pain and guilt was still there. Steve was a very bad father to Lisa for the first few years of her life. But he wasn't a monster. If he physically or sexually abused her he would have been a monster. But being a neglectful father, and then realizing it and trying to make up for it does not rise to the level of monster.

Don't forget he refused to meet with his father, even though he had actually met him in his place of business. A broken man with a missing piece whom the American public wants to idolize.