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Not a citation, but maybe this will help you with the distinctions:

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...allet+in+restaurant&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Yes, I agree this describes the common law. But as the link, itself, says, it doesn't apply when there is a statute to the contrary. In California, almost all of the common law has been codified into statute (some of it changed on its way). Unlike other states, California has specific statutes that cover lost property. Under california law, the common law described in the above link does not apply.
 
Makes perfect sense that the finder has no legal obligation, you can't predict finding something any more than having legalities foisted upon you for having the the fortune/misfortune of finding something.

Of course, in my neck of the woods, we have a little section referred to as "theft by finding". However, this only applies if you haven't made an effort to contact the owner.
 
Makes perfect sense that the finder has no legal obligation, you can't predict finding something any more than having legalities foisted upon you for having the the fortune/misfortune of finding something.

Of course, in my neck of the woods, we have a little section referred to as "theft by finding". However, this only applies if you haven't made an effort to contact the owner.

Where's that?
 
Yes, I agree this describes the common law. But as the link, itself, says, it doesn't apply when there is a statute to the contrary. In California, almost all of the common law has been codified into statute (some of it changed on its way). Unlike other states, California has specific statutes that cover lost property. Under california law, the common law described in the above link does not apply.


There is no statute to the contrary. There is no conflict. I see nothing in the California statutes which would include a "mislaid" item as a "lost" item. Common law generally reflected common sense, and much has been codified. But someone doesn't "lose" property when they leave it on a table in a restaurant.
 
There is no statute to the contrary. There is no conflict. I see nothing in the California statutes which would include a "mislaid" item as a "lost" item. Common law generally reflected common sense, and much has been codified. But someone doesn't "lose" property when they leave it on a table in a restaurant.


I've not found a single California case that distinguishes mislaid property from lost property. I'm afraid your characterization of California law is incorrect. For it to be "common law" in california, there would have to be a recorded case - that, after all, is the definition of common law
 
Wrong. You have zero right. You have no right to even touch it, beyond handing it over to someone responsible in the restaurant. Under common law principles, the finder of a misplaced object has a duty to turn it over to the owner of the premises, on the theory that the true owner is likely to return to that location to search for his misplaced item. Turning it over to the police is what you do with a valuable object if you find it on the streets, not in a restaurant. ( If you turned a phone/wallet/purse/laptop into police and told them you found it in a restaurant, they'd just stare at you, shake their heads, and wonder why you would ever do that).

Are you from Europe? The principle you're advocating is, I think, from the Continental Civil Code, although it's dim in my memory. According to the California Civil Code (which governs the process for the finder to eventually obtain clear title himself) the finder must, among other things, bring the object to the police (or the local equivalent). I'm sure no one would object to a finder giving it to a representative of the business establishment in which it is found, but even if the owner never appeared, the finder could not obtain title to the find by following that route. The Penal Code, in contrast, simply requires "reasonable and just" efforts, and I'm confident that delivering found valuables to either the proprietor or to the police would meet that requirement.
 
Are you from Europe? The principle you're advocating is, I think, from the Continental Civil Code, although it's dim in my memory. According to the California Civil Code (which governs the process for the finder to eventually obtain clear title himself) the finder must, among other things, bring the object to the police (or the local equivalent). I'm sure no one would object to a finder giving it to a representative of the business establishment in which it is found, but even if the owner never appeared, the finder could not obtain title to the find by following that route. The Penal Code, in contrast, simply requires "reasonable and just" efforts, and I'm confident that delivering found valuables to either the proprietor or to the police would meet that requirement.

Most of the procedure for custody of lost property is short-circuited by the fact that this was a phone. The finder could have answered the damn thing, left a message on the owner's Facebook page, called him at work, emailed him, etc., etc., etc. He didn't do any of these things, and since he left the bar with the phone, he obviously had no intention of doing any of these things.

When the law was written, inanimate objects were inanimate. Therefore, the procedures for finding the rightful owner were specified in minute detail. The periods differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but there's a waiting period before the finder can claim the item, and in this case a requirement for a one-week ad in a local newspaper. The important point is, if the item was found on the sidewalk or on a park bench, the proper procedure would be to turn it in to the police and give your name and address, to put yourself in line for possession of the device if it's not claimed.

If you find a lost item in a place of business like this bar, however, you are not next in line for possession. The owner of the bar is. As soon as this guy left the bar with the phone in his possession, he was stealing it—in the first instance, from the owner, and in the second instance, from the owner of the bar, who would have next claim on it. Now, if he had used any of the many avenues of finding the real owner offered him by the nature of the item and returned it to him, this wouldn't be an issue, but he didn't—and had no intention of doing so, obviously. The guy's a thief, pure and simple.
 
My take on the situation.

The finder sold an item that...

  1. He didn't own
  2. Knew he didn't own
  3. When he knew the owners name
  4. And made no reasonable attempt to return the item ( sorry calling tech support?! )

And Gizmodo paid $5000 for a device that the finder didn't own and they knew the real owner.

Here are just a few reasonable things the finder could have done before "claiming" and selling the device to Gizmodo.

  1. They could have dropped it off at Apple, 20 minutes away
  2. Left it with the bartender like other lost and found items
  3. Spoke to the bar to see if the owner had contacted them
  4. Left a message on FB for the owner
  5. Called Apple and asked for the employee
  6. Looked up this fellow in the phone book

but he didn't. This is clear cut theft and I hope they throw the book at both of them.
 
I've not found a single California case that distinguishes mislaid property from lost property. I'm afraid your characterization of California law is incorrect. For it to be "common law" in california, there would have to be a recorded case - that, after all, is the definition of common law


"I'm sorry, Your Honor, but I couldn't find a single case that discusses "mislaid" property, so it must have been "lost" property. Therefore, my client had a perfect legal right to take the purse which the previous occupant had left on the chair next to her. And when he wrapped it in the coat which was hanging over the back of the chair, and also covered it with his own coat, it was only to protect it when leaving that establishment and going to the police station to turn it in, fine citizen that my client is. In fact, that's what he was required to do under my reading of California law. How was he supposed to know that the owner had simply gotten up to go to the crowded rest room and intended to return in the near future for her property. They certainly looked "lost" to my client. Is this the thanks my client gets? He's innocent, I tell you. Completely innocent."
 
CA law fail!!!!!!!!!

Did anybody see the 3 $100 bills I left on the floor in that bar the other day? I asked the barkeep and no one turned them in. Maybe I should call the police department to see if someone turned them in there. I guess someone STOLE them. GIVE ME A BREAK.
 
Did anybody see the 3 $100 bills I left on the floor in that bar the other day? I asked the barkeep and no one turned them in. Maybe I should call the police department to see if someone turned them in there. I guess someone STOLE them. GIVE ME A BREAK.


Here's another one from sclawis300, who showed up 3 days ago to defend these criminals:

"HE HAD NO INTENT!!!!!!!!!! ...just because he later sold it does not change that. Also, I would make the argument that once it was wiped it was abandoned."

So this guy thinks that if you wipe your $600 iPhone to protect sensitive information, you legally abandon it. Criminals everywhere must love that kind of thinking. And they'll have lots of time to think about it, sitting in jail.
 
"I'm sorry, Your Honor, but I couldn't find a single case that discusses "mislaid" property, so it must have been "lost" property. Therefore, my client had a perfect legal right to take the purse which the previous occupant had left on the chair next to her. And when he wrapped it in the coat which was hanging over the back of the chair, and also covered it with his own coat, it was only to protect it when leaving that establishment and going to the police station to turn it in, fine citizen that my client is. In fact, that's what he was required to do under my reading of California law. How was he supposed to know that the owner had simply gotten up to go to the crowded rest room and intended to return in the near future for her property. They certainly looked "lost" to my client. Is this the thanks my client gets? He's innocent, I tell you. Completely innocent."

That's quite a strawman argument you are making to cover the fact that you are wrong about California law.

The fact is the California statute is both clear and reasonable. If you find property that has been lost or misplaced by its owner, whether in a bar or on the street, you have no duty to do anything - you can leave it where you found it. If you choose to take possession for it, you do so as a depository of the owner. You have a duty to get it to its owner. This means you have to take reasonable steps to do so. This may include tracking the owner down, or giving it to the proprietor of the establishment if doing so is reasonable. It also is not only reasonable, but under certain circumstances REQUIRED, to turn it over to the police.

Your insistence that the only reasonable step is to give it to the bar proprietor is not borne out by the law. Your insistence that giving it to the police is improper is directly contradictory to california statute.

And your example, aside from manufacturing facts, shows a misunderstanding of the law. I say that when you find a phone in a bar an you take it to the police you are following statute. You say the statute doesn't apply. It's your burden to find a statutory reason that is so, or, barring that, to find precendent ("common law") in california that supports your argument. It's not up to me to prove such precedent doesn't exist.
 
Did anybody see the 3 $100 bills I left on the floor in that bar the other day? I asked the barkeep and no one turned them in. Maybe I should call the police department to see if someone turned them in there. I guess someone STOLE them. GIVE ME A BREAK.

If I find your 3 $100 bills that you left on the floor, and take them, then YES, I STOLE THEM!

We could argue all day about whose fault it was for leaving $300 on the floor in the first place, but if I took the money, and made no attempt to figure out who it belonged to, then absolutely, that makes me a thief!

Unless you put the money down and said "I don't want this money anymore!" then I would take the money with a clear conscience.

If we frame it another way, does it become more clear: "Hey, has anyone seen my car? I left it downtown with the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition. I asked the hotel desk if they parked it for me but nobody's seen it." Of course someone stole it! I made it easy for them, but that doesn't make them any less of a car thief!

Now, maybe I'm OK with being a thief, because, hey, I found $300! And maybe 99% of everyone else would do the exact same thing. But don't pretend it's OK because "everybody does it". Everybody speeds too (yes, including me) but that doesn't mean it's not against the law.

I think everybody knows this, deep down, but they know they would have done the same (take the money, take the iPhone, whatever), they know it's wrong, and they go to great lengths to justify themselves and become extremely defensive to try to rationalize to themselves that they can keep the prize and NOT be doing something morally wrong. "I'm only doing what everyone else would do!" is not a legal defense.

And, by the way, if I really did find your $300 on the floor, I wouldn't take them, I would turn them in. I've done it in the past and I will continue to do so. What if I found $10,000? $100,000? Would I still turn it in? I like to think I would, but I admit it would be very tempting not to.
 
That's quite a strawman argument you are making to cover the fact that you are wrong about California law.

The fact is the California statute is both clear and reasonable. If you find property that has been lost or misplaced by its owner, whether in a bar or on the street, you have no duty to do anything - you can leave it where you found it. If you choose to take possession for it, you do so as a depository of the owner. You have a duty to get it to its owner. This means you have to take reasonable steps to do so. This may include tracking the owner down, or giving it to the proprietor of the establishment if doing so is reasonable. It also is not only reasonable, but under certain circumstances REQUIRED, to turn it over to the police.

Your insistence that the only reasonable step is to give it to the bar proprietor is not borne out by the law. Your insistence that giving it to the police is improper is directly contradictory to california statute.

And your example, aside from manufacturing facts, shows a misunderstanding of the law. I say that when you find a phone in a bar an you take it to the police you are following statute. You say the statute doesn't apply. It's your burden to find a statutory reason that is so, or, barring that, to find precendent ("common law") in california that supports your argument. It's not up to me to prove such precedent doesn't exist.
No. You are insisting that the statutes cover "mislaid" property (you added that above)--property left on a chair, table, counter in a restaurant. Where in the statutes or case law is such property determined to be "lost"? It's not. Common law made such distinctions. Your argument leads to a wild west scenario where a person finds a wallet/purse/phone sitting next to the cash register and picks it up. The owner says "what are you doing?" and the guy puts it in his pocket and says "I'm going to take it to the police." You honestly think that person has a superior right to possession (not ownership, custodial possession) of that property? You think he has the right to take it over the insistence of the proprietor that he leave it there so that the owner may return for it? You think that's the law in California?
 
I can't believe this thread is still going. The people defending the thief are doing so because they dislike apple. They are going to keep defending the thief all day long because of this dislike. They are refusing to see that the thief became a thief when he took possession of something he found, didn't make reasonable attempts to locate the owner when he had the owners name, by his own admission he didn't know apple owned it until it was bricked. So the argument he didn't contact the person who had the phone is bogus. The thief probably pocketed the phone thinking "Oh cool I just scored an iPhone" that's taking in account he didn't know what it was when he took it. After it was bricked he did the least amount of work he needed to do to cover him and then sold it to the highest bidder. These posts can go on forever. Like I said the apple haters are going to find fault with apple for this. Most reasonable people, even if they hate Apple, see the thief for what his is A Thief!
 
That's quite a strawman argument you are making to cover the fact that you are wrong about California law.

The fact is the California statute is both clear and reasonable. If you find property that has been lost or misplaced by its owner, whether in a bar or on the street, you have no duty to do anything - you can leave it where you found it. If you choose to take possession for it, you do so as a depository of the owner. You have a duty to get it to its owner. This means you have to take reasonable steps to do so. This may include tracking the owner down, or giving it to the proprietor of the establishment if doing so is reasonable. It also is not only reasonable, but under certain circumstances REQUIRED, to turn it over to the police.

Your insistence that the only reasonable step is to give it to the bar proprietor is not borne out by the law. Your insistence that giving it to the police is improper is directly contradictory to california statute.

And your example, aside from manufacturing facts, shows a misunderstanding of the law. I say that when you find a phone in a bar an you take it to the police you are following statute. You say the statute doesn't apply. It's your burden to find a statutory reason that is so, or, barring that, to find precendent ("common law") in california that supports your argument. It's not up to me to prove such precedent doesn't exist.


Again, not something to cite in a brief, but might help some see the distinctions. Our argument is whether CA statutes are controlling, and reverse common law distinctions, without ever stating such. That generally isn't the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost,_mislaid,_and_abandoned_property
 
No. You are insisting that the statutes cover "mislaid" property (you added that above)--property left on a chair, table, counter in a restaurant. Where in the statutes or case law is such property determined to be "lost"? It's not. Common law made such distinctions. Your argument leads to a wild west scenario where a person finds a wallet/purse/phone sitting next to the cash register and picks it up. The owner says "what are you doing?" and the guy puts it in his pocket and says "I'm going to take it to the police." You honestly think that person has a superior right to possession (not ownership, custodial possession) of that property? You think he has the right to take it over the insistence of the proprietor that he leave it there so that the owner may return for it? You think that's the law in California?

There's no such thing as "mislaid property" under california law, is my point (at least no such thing that requires one to turn over property to a proprietor and prevents one from taking the property and giving it to the police). I have repeatedly asked you to cite a single case that says anything to the contrary, and you haven't.

Your example above is nonsense. The property is not lost because it is already in someone's (the proprietor's) possession (as depository for the true owner). I never said you could rip something out of someone's possession and claim it was lost. If you find something sitting on the floor or left behind on a bench, it is not in the possession of anyone. (And don't give me the "owner is in the bathroom scenario" - obviously "lost" is a "reasonable belief" test).

Again, cite me a single case or statute that in California there is a legal distinction between "mislaid" and "lost" property that results in it being inappropriate to take the property to the police, or that gives a business proprietor a superior right of possession. Heck, at common law, in a public portion of a bar, restaurant, or hotel, possession of a mislaid article goes to the finder, not the proprietor (as opposed to articles found in private areas). And, of course, common law is just common law. Many states, including California and New York, do not follow the common law as it relates to the differentiation between lost and mislaid property. You don't have to like it, but quit trying to pretend you know the law in California.

Again, not something to cite in a brief, but might help some see the distinctions. Our argument is whether CA statutes are controlling, and reverse common law distinctions, without ever stating such. That generally isn't the case.

Are you joking? It "generally isn't the case" that clear statutory language is superior authority to the common law?
 
The guy was a thief

When he took it from the bar without telling management, he stole it.

And he didn't remove it from the bar so he could "take it to the police", he SOLD it!!!
 
Are you joking? It "generally isn't the case" that clear statutory language is superior authority to the common law?


Of course clear statutory authority is controlling. However, there is no clear statutory authority as to something left on a table being considered "lost" property. And my example didn't say item was already found by manager. In hypothetical, item was sitting near cash register, and person picked it up BEFORE manager saw it. Discussion with customer asserting right to take from premises ensued. Don't change the facts.
 
Most of the procedure for custody of lost property is short-circuited by the fact that this was a phone. The finder could have answered the damn thing, left a message on the owner's Facebook page, called him at work, emailed him, etc., etc., etc. He didn't do any of these things, and since he left the bar with the phone, he obviously had no intention of doing any of these things.

When the law was written, inanimate objects were inanimate. Therefore, the procedures for finding the rightful owner were specified in minute detail. The periods differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but there's a waiting period before the finder can claim the item, and in this case a requirement for a one-week ad in a local newspaper. The important point is, if the item was found on the sidewalk or on a park bench, the proper procedure would be to turn it in to the police and give your name and address, to put yourself in line for possession of the device if it's not claimed.

If you find a lost item in a place of business like this bar, however, you are not next in line for possession. The owner of the bar is. As soon as this guy left the bar with the phone in his possession, he was stealing it—in the first instance, from the owner, and in the second instance, from the owner of the bar, who would have next claim on it. Now, if he had used any of the many avenues of finding the real owner offered him by the nature of the item and returned it to him, this wouldn't be an issue, but he didn't—and had no intention of doing so, obviously. The guy's a thief, pure and simple.

I think your first paragraph is a sensible observation. Your concept of special rights to lost property residing in the bar owner, or by extension, to the landowner on whose land a lost object or treasure trove is discovered, is misplaced. This concept can trace its origin back to biblical times through the Code Justinian, and it formed a part of the Continental Civil Code (the most applied legal system in the world), and the Common Law of England. In Santa Clara, California in 2010, however, a different law applies. In fact, there are two systems, which while compatible, are significantly different, and should not be conflated. The first system, that which metes out criminal penalties to transgressors, is embodied in the California Penal Code, which requires that a finder of lost or mislaid valuables (unlike the European model, California law makes no distinction), to have taken "reasonable and just" steps to locate the true owner and to return the found object to him. If a finder keeps the property (i.e., exercises dominion and control over it in a manner inconsistent with the rights of the true owner) without fulfilling this duty, the law considers him to be a thief, and subject to punishment by the state (and, curiously, to a civil lawsuit by the owner as well who may recover a multiple of the value of the thing--precisely as provided in the laws of of the ancients). As earlier observed, turning the property over to the bar owner, or promptly turning it over to the police, would certainly be sufficient to avoid a criminal charge. As a practical matter, you are absolutely correct that the owner is more likely to inquire of the bar than of the police, and any finder who would bring the object to the police would as a matter of common sense let the bar owner know what he found and suggest that he refer any inquiries to the police precinct where he had delivered the goods. I imagine the police might also contact the bar as part of the discharge of their statutory duty to attempt to locate the owner. Similarly, the police receiving an iPhone may attempt to contact the owner by availing themselves of the data on the phone, as you suggest. (In Santa Clara county that assumption may be more justified than elsewhere.) This is no different from the police locating the owner of a lost diamond ring by examining it for jeweler's marks, or of a lost briefcase by examining its contents. Surely delivering found property to the police department is a reasonable and just means of attempting to locate the true owner, and would be in compliance with the criminal system of laws.

The other system of laws applicable to this situation is codified in the California Civil Code. This body of law is not concerned about theft or sending people to jail, but rather with establishing the ownership of found goods.

The second system that applies in modern-day California, is detailed in the Civil Code of California. You can read the assembled lost property sections here: http://law.justia.com/california/codes/civ/2080-2080.10.html

As you see, there are, unlike in the Continental Civil Code and the English Common Law, no special rights accorded to the owner of the real estate where property is found. As charming as I find the nice distinctions between lost, mislaid, and hidden property, these are largely foreign concepts to American law outside of Louisiana, which explains why one of our colleagues was unable to find California case law referring to them. (Interestingly, some of these ancient concepts do live on in maritime and salvage law, and their echoes can also be heard in the laws of some U.S. jurisdictions that make a distinction between property found in the public areas of a store and that found in the "employees only" areas). Accordingly, if the true owner is not found through the statutory process, it is the finder who will acquire legal title to it, not the owner of the realty on which it was found. Presumably the lawmakers thought that such an outcome would provide some additional incentive to people who find valuables in places of public accommodation to report their finding, since compliance with this law could result in the finder owning the object; a law awarding unclaimed valuables to the proprietor, conversely, might encourage less scrupulous finders to silently appropriate them.

As fascinating as all this is to me, and perhaps to one or two others, the fact remains that under no civilized system of laws would the reported conduct of the finder of the test iPhone be condoned; as you say, he is a thief.
 
Of course clear statutory authority is controlling. However, there is no clear statutory authority as to something left on a table being considered "lost" property. And my example didn't say item was already found by manager. In hypothetical, item was sitting near cash register, and person picked it up BEFORE manager saw it. Discussion with customer asserting right to take from premises ensued. Don't change the facts.

Since you felt free to put words in my mouth, I figured turnabout is fair play.

In any event, the above post from someone who appears to be a fellow member of the Bar is dead on. California makes no distinction between lost and mislaid property (at least as far as right of possession or duty to return or bring to the police is concerned). You still haven't provided any proof to the contrary.

And your reliance on "the statute doesn't say anything about mislaid property therefore the common law applies" is misapplied. There is no "common law" to apply, because the only common law that could be applied is California common law, not the common law of Louisiana, Quebec, Rhode Island, etc. And by definition common law is the collective body of law resulting from judicial decisions. And, as I've mentioned, I find no such judicial decisions (though I didn't spend hours looking, so perhaps I've missed something. But it's not my job to prove a negative).

As to your hypothetical, if I find a wallet next to the cash register, and the proprietor was previously unaware that it was there, then, yes, in California (and apparently in NY, the other state I checked), once I take possession of it the proprietor has no rights or interests in the property, and it is my job to return it to the owner, or, barring that, to the police. End of story.
 
Obviously we have some attorneys weighing in on this situation...

To them I say: I am impressed by your ability to apparently remain dispassionate in your discussions here. Obviously, you have both education and experience on your side to help you make a good, calm argument in the face of some incredibly ignorant comments from some on the other side.

To them I ask: How can you possibly go into court, knowing you will possibly be faced with a jury upon which one panel member might believe that "finders keepers, losers weepers" is THE law, and still keep your sanity?

I hope you are all having extremely successful careers and finding the practice of law emotionally fulfilling and financially rewarding! Me, I'm afraid I'd end up strangling somebody! :)

Mark
 
I think your first paragraph is a sensible observation. Your concept of special rights to lost property residing in the bar owner, or by extension, to the landowner on whose land a lost object or treasure trove is discovered, is misplaced. This concept can trace its origin back to biblical times through the Code Justinian, and it formed a part of the Continental Civil Code (the most applied legal system in the world), and the Common Law of England. In Santa Clara, California in 2010, however, a different law applies. In fact, there are two systems, which while compatible, are significantly different, and should not be conflated. The first system, that which metes out criminal penalties to transgressors, is embodied in the California Penal Code, which requires that a finder of lost or mislaid valuables (unlike the European model, California law makes no distinction), to have taken "reasonable and just" steps to locate the true owner and to return the found object to him. If a finder keeps the property (i.e., exercises dominion and control over it in a manner inconsistent with the rights of the true owner) without fulfilling this duty, the law considers him to be a thief, and subject to punishment by the state (and, curiously, to a civil lawsuit by the owner as well who may recover a multiple of the value of the thing--precisely as provided in the laws of of the ancients). As earlier observed, turning the property over to the bar owner, or promptly turning it over to the police, would certainly be sufficient to avoid a criminal charge. As a practical matter, you are absolutely correct that the owner is more likely to inquire of the bar than of the police, and any finder who would bring the object to the police would as a matter of common sense let the bar owner know what he found and suggest that he refer any inquiries to the police precinct where he had delivered the goods. I imagine the police might also contact the bar as part of the discharge of their statutory duty to attempt to locate the owner. Similarly, the police receiving an iPhone may attempt to contact the owner by availing themselves of the data on the phone, as you suggest. (In Santa Clara county that assumption may be more justified than elsewhere.) This is no different from the police locating the owner of a lost diamond ring by examining it for jeweler's marks, or of a lost briefcase by examining its contents. Surely delivering found property to the police department is a reasonable and just means of attempting to locate the true owner, and would be in compliance with the criminal system of laws.

The other system of laws applicable to this situation is codified in the California Civil Code. This body of law is not concerned about theft or sending people to jail, but rather with establishing the ownership of found goods.

The second system that applies in modern-day California, is detailed in the Civil Code of California. You can read the assembled lost property sections here: http://law.justia.com/california/codes/civ/2080-2080.10.html

As you see, there are, unlike in the Continental Civil Code and the English Common Law, no special rights accorded to the owner of the real estate where property is found. As charming as I find the nice distinctions between lost, mislaid, and hidden property, these are largely foreign concepts to American law outside of Louisiana, which explains why one of our colleagues was unable to find California case law referring to them. (Interestingly, some of these ancient concepts do live on in maritime and salvage law, and their echoes can also be heard in the laws of some U.S. jurisdictions that make a distinction between property found in the public areas of a store and that found in the "employees only" areas). Accordingly, if the true owner is not found through the statutory process, it is the finder who will acquire legal title to it, not the owner of the realty on which it was found. Presumably the lawmakers thought that such an outcome would provide some additional incentive to people who find valuables in places of public accommodation to report their finding, since compliance with this law could result in the finder owning the object; a law awarding unclaimed valuables to the proprietor, conversely, might encourage less scrupulous finders to silently appropriate them.

As fascinating as all this is to me, and perhaps to one or two others, the fact remains that under no civilized system of laws would the reported conduct of the finder of the test iPhone be condoned; as you say, he is a thief.


These hardly are isolated, quaint concepts. Again, the California statutes say nothing about "mislaid/misplaced" property, which is not considered "lost" property unless defined as such. Just do a search of "lost mislaid property" and the distinction pops up on property outlines and exam questions all over the country. Is there a chance that there is settled case law in CA that "mislaid" is considered "lost" for purposes of the statutes? Absolutely. But I've seen nothing to suggest it is, and the public policy arguments against it are strong. However, I recognize there also are equitable arguments for a "finder" who finds "misplaced" property which under common he acquired no rights to, getting to share it with the proprietor, on the theory that it encourages turning it in so that the true owner may recover it asap--which after all is what this is all about. Especially with a wallet/purse/phone where it's easy to determine the owner, and highly unlikely that it will ever proceed to the who gets to keep stage.
You might find the following generally of interest, but I specifically direct your attention to the bottom of p.10/ top p.11, and a Fordham Law Review article which may serve to illuminate.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...uL3hs4&sig=AHIEtbR7cbwexGEXeL0imfBXWHNobpejYQ

But in any case, the guy was a slimeball who never evidenced any real intent to return it, and should be strung up by his thumbs, right next to the Gawker bunch.
 
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