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What kind of dumb argument is that?

100% security is impossible. That doesn't negate the need for better security than MCX gives us.

Not saying MCX is more secure. This has to do with filing a silly lawsuit because one can't use NFC at certain stores. The stores have every right to decide what form of payment they will accept. The government and the courts have no right to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. Next someone will file a class action lawsuit because the stores won't accept savings bonds as a form of payment. Savings bonds are a form of cash, backed in full faith by the US government. We should force the stores to accept them too.

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What???

Cash is the LEAST secure form of payment. If you lose it or it's stolen, it's gone. It can be easily physically destroyed.

If cash was the most secure form of payment checks wouldn't have been invented.

No one is going to get you CC, bank or SS info if someone steals your cash. It is the most secure form of payment when it comes to protecting your identity.
 
1) Several posters don't know what antitrust law is. That's pretty clear.
2) Several posters have misguided views on class action lawsuits and what they actually are.
3) Stores can accept what payments they want to accept but, at the same time, you can't collude with your competitors to shut out a product, service or perhaps even a payment method.
 
3) Stores can accept what payments they want to accept but, at the same time, you can't collude with your competitors to shut out a product, service or perhaps even a payment method.

That's the first argument I've seen that makes sense to me.
 
I'm hoping your screen name was chosen ironically. If not, then they must be giving away JDs in vending machines these days.



As much as the MCX system appears to suck and unfortunately prevents the use of Apple Pay, there's no collusion here or denying any "rights" to consumers.

This law firm is investigating the potential to get paid. That's all this is.

Your not seeing the obvious collusion is why I have a JD and you don't :)
 
3) Stores can accept what payments they want to accept but, at the same time, you can't collude with your competitors to shut out a product, service or perhaps even a payment method.

It's already occurring. At sporting events. Exclusive agreements with mastercard. Try using your visa card. Same with AMEX.

As far as colluding with other competitors, good luck proving that. Just because they join MCX doesn't mean they colluded with other competitors to deny NFC. They signed an agreement with MCX, not with their competitors.
 
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Except MCX is made up of competitors, hence the antitrust.

No one is denying you the right to use you credit card as a form of payment. They are only denying you the right of a simpler or a more secure way to use those cards. You still have the right to swipe your card, pay with cash, pay with their app or to walk away.
 
No one is denying you the right to use you credit card as a form of payment. They are only denying you the right of a simpler or a more secure way to use those cards. You still have the right to swipe your card, pay with cash, pay with their app or to walk away.

The antitrust pertains to mobile payment. That alternatives are available are moot. From the aforementioned link:

27. Joint ventures that are collaborations between competitors may warrant antitrust scrutiny. The Antitrust Guidelines for Collaborations Among Competitors issued by the U.S. antitrust agencies in April 2000 describe the principles for evaluating agreements among competitors and the analytical framework for doing so.
23 Two broad categories of anticompetitive harm theories are (1) “exclusion” and (2) “overly inclusive joint venture.” For exclusion, harm may arise if a joint venture denies some key element to rival systems and thereby reduces competition.
24 Whether this is a viable theory would depend on factors such as the freedom that the joint venture’s members have to participate in multiple mobile payment systems (“multi-home”), the extent to which the members, individually or collectively, have market power with respect to the denied element, and the availability of adequate substitutes for that element. For the “overly inclusive joint venture” theory, harm may arise if a joint venture’s membership is so expansive, or its rules sufficiently restrictive, as to prevent the emergence or viability of a rival mobile payment system that might otherwise threaten the joint venture’s market power. Factors relevant to this analysis include the joint venture’s exclusivity, membership scope, whether current members would help form competing systems but for the overly inclusive nature of the joint venture, and if so, the impact of such participation on the timeliness, likelihood, and sufficiency of such entry.
 
MCX could file against Apple and all the stores they list for collusion. Don't hear them allowing CurrentC at those stores in 2015. What about people who shop at Walgreens, Petco, McDonalds etc that will want to use CurrentC when it's available. Will they deny that right to use that form of payment?
 
It's already occurring. At sporting events. Exclusive agreements with mastercard. Try using your visa card. Same with AMEX.

Nope, that's different. The credit card issuer and the major sports league are not competitors. Now if NFL, MLB and NHL got together and said, "We are not going to accept Visa and only accept MasterCard to hurt MasterCard," that would be different.

As far as colluding with other competitors, good luck proving that. Just because they join MCX doesn't mean they colluded with other competitors to deny NFC. They signed an agreement with MCX, not with their competitors.

As others have pointed out, MCX is made up of nothing but competitors. And I think it is a little bit more than a coincidence that two direct competitors belonging to the same consortium (a consortium whose purpose is to destroy the credit cards, as evidenced by comments made by the head of that group) disabled Apple Pay functionality the same week.
 
million dollar question - Will this crap be pulled by UK businesses when apple pay comes to the uk? I sure hope not.
 
But why force them to make money from customers that can otherwise go elsewhere?

Free market...let them make whatever detrimental mistakes that they like that can put them in the same boat as what Netflix was in.
 
Just watch, Apple and Google will pull the MCX app claiming it does not meet their security protocols, thus effectively destroying MCX. And another lawsuit will be filed.
 
WTF? Greedy apple doesn't get there way and now want to force these businesses to accept apples BS payment system? What's next. I get sewed for not using my iphone to pay for stuff so apple can get there percentage of the payment. These businesses can accept or deny what every they want. No different than businesses only take visa and not american express. Up to them. Pure friggin greed! I don't plan on using any phone to pay for anything. Cash or credit cards only. FU apple!

Why don't you point out where it says that APPLE is suing anyone? This is a law firm and has nothing to do with Apple. Try reading the article before commenting.

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Apple can fix this easily. They just have to add a rule to the App Store that all payment facilitation apps cannot be used for systems that block ApplePay as an alternative (worded carefully to not affect situations that are merely technically incompatible, such as stores without NFC).

MCX would have a stark choice: either not be available on iOS, or stop blocking ApplePay at retailers that have NFC capabilities otherwise.

In other words, Apple should be petty and childish as well?
 
Just watch, Apple and Google will pull the MCX app claiming it does not meet their security protocols, thus effectively destroying MCX. And another lawsuit will be filed.

Too late for that. I don't think they can legally pull the MCX app without getting themselves in trouble or open themselves to a lawsuit. It'd be far easier for Apple to block it in the first place (kind of like never getting married in the first place :D ) but now that the MCX got in it's kind of late.
 
I think this is pretty ridiculous. I am 100% an ApplePay fan, but I am also a fan of businesses making their own choices. Not only do I feel like places like Rite Aid will come around, eventually, but I don't see a case here. If they did violate some anti-trust law then go for it, but this seems flimsy to me.

Also, the website announcing the investigation seem to have some facts wrong about MCX, which sounds like poor investigating to me. They also talked a lot about why ApplePay would be better than CurrenC, which doesn't seem relevant to me or very impartial.
 
I am not a big fan of anti-trust laws, but MCX's non-compete agreement does seem to violate them.

No, mom-and-pop stores are not required to use every form of payment. However, MCX cannot require anti-competitive agreements. It is not the stores that are being sued; it is MCX. They are the company that is engaging in anti-competitive behavior.
 
This is another ridiculous lawsuit. Rite Aid and CVS are well within their right to block NFC payments. Just like consumers are well within their right to stop shopping there if they are too lazy to use cash or credit.

I think this issue is being way overblown now. What did people do 3 weeks ago before apple pay was enabled on their phones?

I mean it would be nice to use Apple pay at rite aid since here in philly rite aid has the city on lock down. But I just use my credit card or cash. No biggie.
 
I'm not sure this is going to fly. As the merchant, they have every right to accept whatever form(s) of payment they wish and they're contractually obligated to MCX to have "exclusivity", which is (probably) legally no different than accepting Visa/MC but not AmEx or Diner's Club.


Merchants should actually be forced to accept any legitimate form of payment. It's all about the customer..the PEOPLE..as in We the People. The people are the many and the merchants are the few. The good of the many must always come first. I have no sympathy for the merchant.
 
yay for bloodsucking lawyers!

Everybody line up and get your $4 store credit. Love the crazy settlements of the suits.

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Merchants should actually be forced to accept any legitimate form of payment. It's all about the customer..the PEOPLE..as in We the People. The people are the many and the merchants are the few. The good of the many must always come first. I have no sympathy for the merchant.

Yeah, um... Gold coins and bars are legal tender also. Good luck paying with those at CVS.
 
Everybody line up and get your $4 store credit. Love the crazy settlements of the suits.

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Yeah, um... Gold coins and bars are legal tender also. Good luck paying with those at CVS.


I don't have those but they should have to accept them whether they like it or not.
 
No one is denying you the right to use you credit card as a form of payment. They are only denying you the right of a simpler or a more secure way to use those cards. You still have the right to swipe your card, pay with cash, pay with their app or to walk away.

Exactly....

But hey let's run with this idea. After all, I can't use my cell phone plan on another carriers network. And for that matter why can't I check my AT&T email from within Verizon's website? Really, you mean I have to log in with a different method? I want a lawsuit.
 
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