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Can you imagine how awesome it would be to be on the ISS when that happened?

"Why is... why is the Earth bending?"
"Well f*ck me..."

edit: damn, I so could have written a great Lovecraftian rant here. Another opportunity missed, and for what?

Haha, why is it that I can visualize that far too well... ;) :cool:
 
Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

Not such a bad way to go.
But since time slows as you approach the speed of light and stops at the speed of light. Would it not mean that at the moment all of the particles begin this movement, time would stop for you? Thus while to an observer it would seem instant for you it would last an eternity.
 
But since time slows as you approach the speed of light and stops at the speed of light. Would it not mean that at the moment all of the particles begin this movement, time would stop for you? Thus while to an observer it would seem instant for you it would last an eternity.

Don't forget that mass increases as you approach the speed of light so at the speed of light you would have infinite mass and occupy every point in the universe at the same time. :p :D

Seriously, we as humans only understand a small part of how the universe actually works - models such as physics, although very good, are still primitive in the grand scheme of things, hence why paradoxes and the like (such as the ones that occur with regards to the speed of light) cause us to have difficulties in fully grasping certain concepts.
 
But since time slows as you approach the speed of light and stops at the speed of light. Would it not mean that at the moment all of the particles begin this movement, time would stop for you? Thus while to an observer it would seem instant for you it would last an eternity.
Hmm... Kinda like Hell. But then I'll bank on the microsecond of acceleration to the speed of light to take care of obliterating my consciousness before that happens.

Although I thought it was that mass increased, not that time slowed for the object approaching the speed of light?
 
But since time slows as you approach the speed of light and stops at the speed of light. Would it not mean that at the moment all of the particles begin this movement, time would stop for you? Thus while to an observer it would seem instant for you it would last an eternity.

Ummm except your consciousness wouldn't be aware of that moment lasting forever, as you're consciousness is based in the physical world and there would be no physical movement. So it would be an instant to you too.
 
Ummm except your consciousness wouldn't be aware of that moment lasting forever, as you're consciousness is based in the physical world and there would be no physical movement. So it would be an instant to you too.

Ah, but what if your consciousness is your soul and as such exists solely in the mental realm of the universe, completely separate from the physical realm that (incorrectly) dominates our existence and our focus?

Just having some fun. :p :D :cool:
 
"[T]he compression of the two atoms colliding together at nearly light speed will cause an irreversible implosion, forming a miniature version of a giant black hole," reads the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Honolulu.

So you mean it'll create a small black hole, then?

:rolleyes:


See, it's lawsuits like this that make people laugh at the US. And in this case, rightly so. :p
 
What a piss-ant concern.

I'm more worried about our Sun becoming a gas giant in my lifetime.

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Can you imagine how awesome it would be to be on the ISS when that happened?

I was going to post that quote also... I love how the micro black hole can suck in the entire planet, but "the moon, satellites, the ISS, etc" would manage not to be sucked in. And that this is somehow an important detail.
 
I was going to post that quote also... I love how the micro black hole can suck in the entire planet, but "the moon, satellites, the ISS, etc" would manage not to be sucked in. And that this is somehow an important detail.

actually they wouldn't get sucked in. the black hole would only suck in the earth because it's close and touches the mini black hole.

the resulting black hole would have exactly the mass of the earth.

so for the moon and the satellites the gravity of the black hole would be the same as the gravity of the earth was. therefore the moon would not change its orbit at all and would not fall into the black hole.

(in reality a lot of radiation from the accretion disk when the earth gets sucked in would burn the satellites and the ISS to ashes. but that is a minor detail for people who are NOT on the ISS)
 
actually they wouldn't get sucked in. the black hole would only suck in the earth because it's close and touches the mini black hole.

the resulting black hole would have exactly the mass of the earth.

so for the moon and the satellites the gravity of the black hole would be the same as the gravity of the earth was. therefore the moon would not change its orbit at all and would not fall into the black hole.

(in reality a lot of radiation from the accretion disk when the earth gets sucked in would burn the satellites and the ISS to ashes. but that is a minor detail for people who are NOT on the ISS)

A micro black hole wouldn't be "touching" anything in the first place. It would evaporate before anything ever "touched it." A black hole created with the mass of two particles would be so insignificant that it would have no affect on any matter near it.
 
A micro black hole wouldn't be "touching" anything in the first place. It would evaporate before anything ever "touched it." A black hole created with the mass of two particles would be so insignificant that it would have no affect on any matter near it.

Someone's getting "sucked in" here, but it isn't the ISS... ;)
 
Didn't the Manhattan Project have a panel that seriously examined the possibility that atom bomb testing would cause a runaway chain reaction and explode the earth's atmosphere?

There were several good scifi short stories written around that possibility in the 1950s.

In July 1942 Teller calculated that the heat buildup of a fusion explosion could ignite the nitrogen in the atmosphere. Oppenheimer asked Hans Bethe to analyze the calculations and called Compton in Chicago at the Metlab where Fermi was working.
They later computed the chances at three in a million, and figured on going ahead with it.
The source mentions a fusion explosion, which might or might not
be a typo, as the first bombs were fission weapons.

'Day One', Peter Wyden, Simon and Schuster 1984

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But since time slows as you approach the speed of light and stops at the speed of light. Would it not mean that at the moment all of the particles begin this movement, time would stop for you? Thus while to an observer it would seem instant for you it would last an eternity.

I'm almost certain that you have it backwards. If a person was going into a black hole, or being engulfed by one, time would be relatively the same for them. Let me explain.

Say Bob was on Earth and Stan was somewhere in the Universe approaching a black hole, holding a digital clock. Also, assume that Bob is watching Stan through a telescope back on Earth where he is able to see the clock clearly. As Stan approached the black hole, the clock would slow down until Stan got to the "edge" of the black. As Stan went into the black hole, time would stop for Bob back on Earth - meaning Bob would forever see Stan right on the edge of the black hole, completely frozen, even though his particles have exploded in all directions as another poster mentioned.

Physicists and astronomists theorize that as light enters a black hole, there is a very small disk of light surrounding the black hole. Of course this is a theory, explained above in my analogy, and hasn't been seen. But that is my understanding of time and a black hole
 
fridgeymonster3 said:
I'm almost certain that you have it backwards. If a person was going into a black hole, or being engulfed by one, time would be relatively the same for them. Let me explain.

Say Bob was on Earth and Stan was somewhere in the Universe approaching a black hole, holding a digital clock. Also, assume that Bob is watching Stan through a telescope back on Earth where he is able to see the clock clearly. As Stan approached the black hole, the clock would slow down until Stan got to the "edge" of the black. As Stan went into the black hole, time would stop for Bob back on Earth - meaning Bob would forever see Stan right on the edge of the black hole, completely frozen, even though his particles have exploded in all directions as another poster mentioned.

Physicists and astronomists theorize that as light enters a black hole, there is a very small disk of light surrounding the black hole. Of course this is a theory, explained above in my analogy, and hasn't been seen. But that is my understanding of time and a black hole
You are correct I had mixed up the temporal relation between the two. I just had to remember that if you traveled a thousand light years at the speed of light, a thousand years would have passed on Earth but the trip would be instant for you.

That does bring up another question though if one was to travel at precisely the speed of light would they ever be able to stop without something in normal space time to slow them down? Since time is at a stand still for them and their craft nothing could react to apply any braking. Because from your perspective 1,000,000 years and 1 second at normal speed and movement through time would seem the same when traveling at the speed of light with null movement through time. Therefore you would never want to actually move at the speed of light just extremely close so that your 1000 light year trip would only seem like 10 seconds.
 
Moving at the speed of light is for wimps. Move at the speed of thought and you'll avoid all the associated problems with physics and be far better off. :p ;) :cool:
 
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