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Things I can do on my netbook that you can't do on your iphone:.

You do know that you can control your entire PC or Mac remotely over 3G, from your iPhone via one of the VNC apps, like Jaadu VNC or Mocha VNC. It's quite amazing and incredibly easy. I can move around the screen, open documents and work on them, etc.

I'm not criticzing your points, just adding to the conversation as an aside.
 
Actually, what they should do is add another USB port AND a FireWire 400 port. Revise the external SuperDrive to use the 1394 inteface INSTEAD of an out-of-spec USB port. (And then the MBA would have FireWire) :D Add a 256 GB SSD option and there you go. The price can stay the same.

I hope so ... Aren't the 256GB SSDs hella expensive? Do they even make em that big? :p
 
You do know that you can control your entire PC or Mac remotely over 3G, from your iPhone via one of the VNC apps, like Jaadu VNC or Mocha VNC. It's quite amazing and incredibly easy. I can move around the screen, open documents and work on them, etc.

I'm not criticzing your points, just adding to the conversation as an aside.

I knew there was a way to use the iPhone like a remote trackpad for any VNC server... but I didn't know how much further than that it went.

But... that's the exact opposite of what I was talking about. I was talking about controlling the iPhone from a VNC client, so that I can treat my iPhone like a window on my Mac when I'm at a desktop.
 
I knew there was a way to use the iPhone like a remote trackpad for any VNC server... but I didn't know how much further than that it went.

But... that's the exact opposite of what I was talking about. I was talking about controlling the iPhone from a VNC client, so that I can treat my iPhone like a window on my Mac when I'm at a desktop.

Something like Phoneview? http://ecamm.com/mac/phoneview/

Airsharing Pro? Discover Server? Or you mean controlling the iPhone itself remotely (which is what I think you mean)?

Maybe there's an app for that and an equivalent one for OS X. I can't recall any offhand. Perhaps someone else could chime in here . . .
 
@kzin

Thanks for branding my arguments an idiocy. Keep carrying around whatever crapbook netbook you have that won't handle about 90% of more demanding computing tasks while your eyes bleed in the miniscule screen that you cant even move up close to your eyes a la iphone and I ll keep the air that can handle pretty much most any task you through at it. Oh and guess what? I am going to have a much thinner bag along with me and probably a lighter one too, for sure it's not gonna be fugly.

And when I go for a walk and listen to music, look something up on the net, check email, check my gps map, all that in my pocket with my iPhone I guess you ll have to be wearing that maternity suit to carry your netbook along. Good luck.

Some people despite all evidence just want to stand truth on it's head...
 
@kzin

Thanks for branding my arguments an idiocy.

If the shoe fits ... and both of the messages I've replied to certainly indicate that it does ...

Keep carrying around whatever crapbook netbook you have that won't handle about 90% of more demanding computing tasks while your eyes bleed in the miniscule screen that you cant even move up close to your eyes a la iphone and I ll keep the air that can handle pretty much most any task you through at it. Oh and guess what? I am going to have a much thinner bag along with me and probably a lighter one too, for sure it's not gonna be fugly.

Your bag is definitely bigger than my gadget bag, by simple necessity: my maxpedition colossus gadget bag/armed-courier bag is too small for the MBA. Even my larger gadget bag (maxpedition sitka) wont hold your MBA.

And when I go for a walk and listen to music, look something up on the net, check email, check my gps map, all that in my pocket with my iPhone I guess you ll have to be wearing that maternity suit to carry your netbook along. Good luck.

Nice strawman argument. Too bad you're comparing apples to oranges (what was that I said about idiocy?). Lets try apples to apples (so to speak).

Non-pocketable vs non-pocketable; pocketable vs pocketabl:

MBA vs netbook; iphone vs G1.


First, the non-pocketables:

1) As already stated, your MBA doesn't even fit in my gadget bags. You're going to have to put it in a big ol' dinosaur bag (it might be a THIN bag, but it still will have too much of a footprint for me to be willing to carry it ... and my small gadget bag still has room for not just the netbook, but also the Mathias folding USB keyboard, USB hard drive, power adapter for the netbook, some USB cables, a book or two, a note pad or two, pens, etc. ... and I barely notice it when I'm carrying it ... even if your MBA in a wimpy little sleeve turns out to be a little lighter, I would still notice carrying it, just from its sheer over-bloated size ... and it still wont have the necessary accessories with it).

2) I'd love to see you comfortably/safely hold your MBA such that you can do thumb typing on it. I can do that, while riding on the bus/train (where there isn't an adequate tray for setting the device down), with my Dell mini-9/vostro-a90. Another reason why I went with a netbook, or would want 7"-10" apple tablet -- perfect size for that.

3) It can do everything I need my non-pocketable mobile device to do*, and I can in fact hold it at a distance that makes it quite comfortably readable. (* read rss feeds, email, IM, full size/full feature web browsing, coding, taking notes in a meeting, multiple ssh terminals for my text based servers, VNC viewer for my non-text based servers) At the same time, it doesn't force me to spend extra money to give it capacities I just plain don't need. $200 for everything I need vs $1800 for lots of crap I don't need.


Now for the pocketable/phone:

A) My G1 can do everything you listed for your iPhone. (GPS with Maps, check; listen to music, yup; check email, definitely; look things up on the web, yup)

B) Plus, I can sync its file system to any random device that can mount a USB hard drive. Last I checked, the iPhone and iPod Touch don't retain the USB Mass Storage mode that earlier iPods had.

C) I can also expand its storage without buying a new one. No such luck on your iPhone.

D) I can ALSO have a 80x21 ssh screen on my G1 (almost a full standard 80x24) for monitoring my servers at work, restarting software if there's a failure, adjusting parameters if something isn't quite behaving correct (and, I have in fact done that; I was at the other end of the country to visit my mother for her birthday, and a server crashed ... I fixed it from my G1, while riding in the passenger seat of a car on the freeway, with my loaner macbook* from work back at my mom's house, because we were on our way to go out to dinner; if I had been stuck with an iPhone, we would have had to cancel/postpone my mother's 60th birthday dinner, so we could turn around and go home for me to fix the downed mission critical server; relying upon Apple's mobile products in that situation would have been completely unacceptable and/or inappropriate). Further, I can utilize that full 80x21 screen and type at the same time -- typing doesn't obscure my application's usable area, because the G1 has a physical keyboard, like all devices should.

(* this was several months before I bought my netbook)


There are exactly 4 things my current set up can't do, that I really want them to do:

1) the netbook doesn't have a tablet mode (the flexible tablet/netbook shown here would be kind of cool, but I'd settle for a convertible tablet version of the vostro-a90/mini-9 ... as long as it ran ubuntu). Of course, neither does the MBA.

2) the netbook doesn't run OS X ... well, it can, I'm just not ready to cross the line into hackintosh territory... but even though I'm fine with Ubuntu, I'd still prefer OS X. But there are no current (legal) OS X devices that are of a proper size for my needs ... so even though the MBA does run OS X, it's still less adequate for the job than an ubuntu netbook. In the balance between "lumbering dinosaur vs agile kestrel" balanced against "OS X vs Ubuntu", the agile kestrel running Ubuntu wins, even though OS X is a better overall OS than Ubuntu.

3) the netbook and the G1 both need more battery life. They're adequate for my commute needs, but I'd get nervous on a long flight or train ride.

4) the G1 doesn't do tethering (of course, neither does the iPhone ... and both for the same reason: the carrier doesn't want them to). This could be mitigated if the netbook had internal 3G (and, again, not a win for the MBA here, as it doesn't either).


Some people despite all evidence just want to stand truth on it's head...

Your "truth" appears to be completely out of touch with both reality and the evidence.

I've listed several things that your MBA and iPhone just can't do, but that I routinely do on my two devices. And of the things my devices can't do, only one of them (battery life) is preferable on your devices.

An iPhone is way too limited for what I need in a pocketable (and WAY too limited for what I need in a non-pocketable device). And an MBA is overkill (in size, in price, in system resources) for what I need in a non-pocketable device.

I wont go over what Apple would need to change to get me to buy an iPhone: we all know they're not going to do it. But, what Apple would need to do for me to move away from an ubuntu netbook is: provide me with an Apple product that is able run desktop OS X apps, have a 7"-10" touch screen (prefer 8.9"/9"), multiple USB Host/OTG slots, a Display-Port slot, 1GB+ of RAM, some form of SD card support, at least 6 hours of useful battery life, and has _OPTIONAL_ internal 3G/4G capability. Bonus if it's a flexible/foldable tablet (like the one concept: 13" fully open, 9" when used in half-screen mode), and/or has a finger-friendly GUI over the desktop OS X (like the current rumor speculates about a 3rd flavor of OS X), and/or if it can run (via CPU emulation) iPhone apps, and especially if it can be used as a Kindle replacement (using the same file format as the Kindle). If it only has a virtual keyboard, I can live with that, since it's a much bigger screen than an iPhone, and it has USB ports (so I can rig an improvised netbook format for it, if _I_ so choose).

But, without a device in that general category, Apple's product offerings are insufficient in the mobile arena (pocketable or non-pocketable).
 
I think the return of the emate is long over due. The emate was way ahead of it's time and I think Apple nixing it was flat out stupid.
 
Apple needs to look at the design of the lenovo x301. Its an ultraportable of the same weight as the macbook air, has 3 usbs, a card reader, and a built in first of its kind ultra slim optical drive. Lenovo has really pioneered the ultraportable category for quite some time.
 
pffffff. good luck with that. The best 'netbook' out there is the MacBook Air. I love mine. The rest are poor quality with poor user experiences.

Pfffff yourself. If you read his post he says build a hack. Ifhe gets a machine close to the one osx86 says to get osx runs fund. The OS is the experience. I mean you do you the os doesn't know what harware it's on right???? In fact, he could probably get a netbook with better graphicss than the air and it will be sweet.

Not sure how some of these statments arise.
 
netbook or tablet?

In my humble opinion Apple have missed the boat as there are so many netbooks now available
a) at reasonable prices and
b) with specs as good as if not better than the MBA and that will run some version of the MacOSX.

Most netbooks have at least two in some case three or more usb ports and in the case of the Acer Aspire One, two media card slots. Not everyone has an extra thousand bucks floating floating around for a machine with only one usb port and no user accessible memory expansion slots.

Add to all of that, we already see quite a few Intel based netbooks that can run hackintosh so that those who might have wanted to buy Mac wont need to.
 
In my humble opinion Apple have missed the boat as there are so many netbooks now available
a) at reasonable prices and
b) with specs as good as if not better than the MBA and that will run some version of the MacOSX.

Most netbooks have at least two in some case three or more usb ports and in the case of the Acer Aspire One, two media card slots. Not everyone has an extra thousand bucks floating floating around for a machine with only one usb port and no user accessible memory expansion slots.

Add to all of that, we already see quite a few Intel based netbooks that can run hackintosh so that those who might have wanted to buy Mac wont need to.

Those who need a MBA or any crappy "netbook" for that matter are NOT supposed to have a thousand USB ports at their disposal. If you need that, you don't need an ultraportable. And to talk of netbooks, their screens and "keyboards" are just a joke...it's simply laughable to see people squinting at their 9" screens during meetings just to find what they need...and those cramped keys? No, thanks.

No wonder we have design geniuses that work for us at Apple...they would not be able to conceive such useless pieces of garbage.

And of course, media card slots/readers, the most overhyped crap on PCs...for what? These ridiculous things have at least 10 different formats and serve for nothing, apart from storing pictures with your camera. I've never used one and probably never will. And I am glad Apple thinks the same way. More (crappy interfaces) is NOT better.

As for hackintoshes, they are illegal and unsupported, period; why bring them up to the discussion? If you really wanna run OS X, buy a Mac and have a better user experience.

NETBOOKS ARE DEAD. MS IS DEAD.
 
In my humble opinion Apple have missed the boat as there are so many netbooks now available
a) at reasonable prices and
b) with specs as good as if not better than the MBA and that will run some version of the MacOSX.

Most netbooks have at least two in some case three or more usb ports and in the case of the Acer Aspire One, two media card slots. Not everyone has an extra thousand bucks floating floating around for a machine with only one usb port and no user accessible memory expansion slots.

Add to all of that, we already see quite a few Intel based netbooks that can run hackintosh so that those who might have wanted to buy Mac wont need to.

What makes you think Apple's rumoured "netbook" will be anything like what's out there now?

Apple doesn't usually "miss the boat." They completely redefine it.
 
When it comes to CPU speed? Please show me one?

There really is no netbook out there that performs better than the MBA.

The only real advantage all those netbooks might have over the MBA is:

1) Price

(if you really care about that sort of thing - it's a very subjective area. Price is often the last thing I look at when buying a tool I'll use and rely on every day. I'm up for a deal anytime, but sometimes you just have to savea bit more.)

2) Ports

(not sure why you would want a lot of ports on a netbook. The MBA encourages full portability and full wireless - which is where we're headed. The card reader option is a nice idea, but again, Apple is discouraging movable, physical media . . . which again, is where we're headed. It'll all be in the Cloud, but if you really need external storage of some kind, the option is there.)

3) Size

(The MBA is somewhat larger than other netbooks (though much thinner. I'd say that short of a smaller notebook or tablet option, the MBA's size is just fine. More comfy than a netbook, not as unwieldy as a Macbook.)

Plus, the MBA runs OS X out of the box, no hacks, is ultra-thin, and looks gorgeous.

If Apple lowered the price on the current model just a bit, I'd get one in a heartbeat. It's just a bit past my saving-up range, but who knows, I might just buckle down and put aside some extra dough. With news of a possible alternative from Apple, however, I'll wait and see.
 
The problem is marketing a MBA to the average consumer.. they look at it for face value and choose to go elsewhere..
 
The problem is marketing a MBA to the average consumer.. they look at it for face value and choose to go elsewhere..

They're absolutely fascinated by it. The price, however, tends to be off-putting.

It costs to make something so thin and lightweight, with that kind of performance. Don't forget, you've got an SSD in there as well.
 
Or you mean controlling the iPhone itself remotely (which is what I think you mean)?

Yes, that's what I mean. The screen of your iPhone/iPT is mirrored into a window on your desktop computer (preferably using the VNC protocol, but Apple Remote Desktop would be an acceptable protocol as well), and you should be able to use your mouse/trackpad to emulate finger gestures that would be transmitted back to the iPhone/iPT.

Obviously multi-touch gestures would be a lot harder to support, but there might be ways to accomplish it. Accelerometer gestures might be doable by grabbing corners of the window and moving them.
 
It costs to make something so thin and lightweight, with that kind of performance.

Its thin because Apple thrown out all the good stuff :D
I rather buy a Macbook any day (which is just as fast and has everything on it)

You are the fool (sorry for saying) that pays only for looks and downgrades on features for a view grams!
Are you that skinny that you might break your back when lifting a macbook :p


Don't forget, you've got an SSD in there as well.

SSD hahaha come on, thats so overrated especially on a MBA
 
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