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Leaked Info on Third-Generation Thunderbolt Points to 40Gbps Transfer Speeds

afsnyder said:
No you don't. Thunderbolt 1 & 2 ports are the same. Thunderbolt 2 will work with 1 but not vice versa I believe.
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Seriously? RIF! Right from the article at the top of this thread:

"The site says Intel's new Thunderbolt controller, code-named Alpine Ridge, will see power consumption reduced by 50 percent, support for PCIe generation-3, and charging capacities of up to 100 watts. Backward compatibility will be maintained through the use of connector adapters, but the new Thunderbolt connector itself will be reduced in size."
 
ok, TB3 can finally get my attention. my main problem with TB has always been that it was still slower than internal cards. even at 20Gb/sec that's equivalent to only an x8 PCIe slot for bandwidth. TB3 would in theory finally allow for proper external GPUs
 
Another thought...

Will they make this 'new' Thunderbolt connector reversible?

It's taken USB how many years now to finally bring out a reversible connector? If this standard is going to stick around it might help if they don't overlook something that simple. It drives me insane that we've not bothered to improve on the Classic USB socket for so long, especially after a dozen stupid non reversible versions.

I have to admit I really like the Lightning connector, obviously Apple wouldn't let everyone use it royalty free but that would be awesome if they did. Small, robust and reversible - everything current USB is not.
 
SCOLANATOR said:
My 64GB USB drive regularly hits 240MB/s. USB 2 has a theoretical max of 60MB/s. No, flash memory is very fast if you buy decent hardware, USB 3 is very much needed and utilised (500MB/s max). I'm looking forward to seeing the new rMBP's with USB 3.1.
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I was referring to iPhones and mobiles internal memory, USB 2 is plenty fast for speed of flash for those devices.
 
swingerofbirch said:
Apple is using slower technology in 2014 to transfer data between iPods and iPhones with computers than they were in 2001 (USB 2 vs. FireWire 400). Hope some of these technologies actually come to fruition eventually. If you fill an iPhone with video, it still takes a couple of hours to offload it.
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That's not accurate, at least not on modern iPhones with faster flash memory. My 32gb iPhone takes about 10 minutes.
 
11thIndian said:
Apple puts USB3 ports on their machines for those that don't need the speed that Thunderbolt affords. Those that need it are professionals for whom the extra cost is easily recouped with the work they do.

I've never once complained about what I've had to pay for any Thunderbolt product I've purchased. Cause I make it all back.
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Finally, someone gets it. Most cheap accessories would be wasted on the bandwidth Thunderbolt provides. Thats why most Thunderbolt devices are expensive, they provide things that can't be done by USB 2.0/3.0. Don't see what people are expecting, cheap thunderbolt mouse & keyboards?
 
linuxcooldude said:
Finally, someone gets it. Most cheap accessories would be wasted on the bandwidth Thunderbolt provides. Thats why most Thunderbolt devices are expensive, they provide things that can't be done by USB 2.0/3.0. Don't see what people are expecting, cheap thunderbolt mouse & keyboards?
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Except Thunderbolt isn't a competitor against usb. It does things other than transfer data you know :rolleyes:
 
I'm excited about the one wire usage, I have a friend in Israel that's working on something similar but for TVs everything will go through the one wire, power, HDMI, Ethernet.

Looking forward to when iPads can accommodate Thunderbolt

Exciting times
 
goobot said:
Because no one is using it and Intel thinks that is because of speed?:confused:

Just make it affordable. All this speed means nothing if no one can afford to use it.
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Forget affordable, how about JUST MAKE IT. Price is irrelevant when almost nothing even exists that uses the IO in the first place. Even in professional markets it's fairly rare.
 
Cool, but for me personally it probably won't be any more useful than earlier incarnations of Thunderbolt (due to the price of TBolt peripherals).
I only use Thunderbolt for my Apple display.
 
goMac said:
Woah.

Should be actually usable for high end Thunderbolt GPUs with minimal performance loss.
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Looks like Thunder lot is being positioned as a replacement for Fibre Channel, which is excellent because it is now commodity hardware. Everybody has it and it can be used in everything from the smallest notebook to the largest server cluster.
 
WhoDaKat said:
I'm firmly in this camp, and I've been angry about it since 2011! I'd pay $50 for a TB to USB3 dongle, but I'm not going to spend $300 (or more!) on a giant hub with every connection known to man. There is one reason, and one reason only that a product like this doesn't exist. Greed. They know there aren't millions of us so they are using higher dollar devices to keep their profits higher.

Assuming Apple wants TB to be widely adapted, Apple should be the one selling this! The TB rollout is truly baffling. Its really like they want to hold back adoption of it.
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It looks to me like USB 3.0 is a native mode in the new TB3 and won't require a special bridge. It used to be that TB was PCI Express + Display Port. If I'm reading the slide correctly it looks like USB and HDMI are now first class protocols.
proline said:
Apple knows how their devices are used. There are only three people left in the planet who connect their iOS devices to PCs using wires. Everyone else either syncs wireless or doesn't sync at all. If you are one of those three, Apple is not going to spend a bunch of money just to pleasure you. Get used to it.
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I get the feeling you're assuming you represent a bigger majority than you do. I sync by wire periodically, and OTA for some specific applications when I'm on the road. I definitely sync by wire when I'm bringing up a new device or restoring an old one.
dblissmn said:
Yet another connector? Why? Why does Intel in particular seem to hate Thunderbolt?

Because USB.

I think that's what it really comes down to. Thunderbolt is a little high-end plaything for them. USB is the core of the business. And if they undermine Thunderbolt because someone decides to reinvent the wheel, no matter.
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Thunderbolt and USB aren't competitors any more than Firewire and USB were. USB is a peripheral bus, Firewire and TB are high speed data paths. Why anyone would buy a high end computer and then waste their CPU power on communicating with an external hard drive is beyond me...
 
Anyone know if these speeds are past PCI-e? I understand the latency between the 2 is very different but what about just speed?
 
jameskachan said:
Forget affordable, how about JUST MAKE IT. Price is irrelevant when almost nothing even exists that uses the IO in the first place. Even in professional markets it's fairly rare.
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I use Thunderbolt for my Ethernet (gigabit) and FireWire adapters, to transfer files between two Macs via Target Disk Mode, and to access volumes on an external Promise Pegasus RAID. I like Thunderbolt!
 
I'm shocked that they are choosing to change the port. Wasn't one of the advantages of Thunderbolt that it used the same port as mini DisplayPort? Makes the port more universal, which should be a goal. Will mini DisplayPort now be separate from Thunderbolt on future devices, or have I missed something? Maybe mini DisplayPort is being sent to the grave entirely since it's only for displays, not data?
 
scoobydoo99 said:
okay. I give.

neither I, nor Google, nor Urban Dictionary know what RIF means, other than Reduction in Force. Definition, please?
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You suck at the Interwebs. :) Literally the first hit on Google explains it.

RIF = Reading Is Fundamental

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ekwipt said:
I'm excited about the one wire usage, I have a friend in Israel that's working on something similar but for TVs everything will go through the one wire, power, HDMI, Ethernet.

Looking forward to when iPads can accommodate Thunderbolt

Exciting times
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I think your friend might be late to the game as they've have that for a while. It's called HDBaseT. Adapters and devices are available now; I just rewired my front projection system with it and it works great.
 
kfscoll said:
You suck at the Interwebs. :) Literally the first hit on Google explains it.

RIF = Reading Is Fundamental
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(Google serves different search results to different people for the same query, based on its proprietary algorithm.)
 
sseaton1971 said:
I use Thunderbolt for my Ethernet (gigabit) and FireWire adapters, to transfer files between two Macs via Target Disk Mode, and to access volumes on an external Promise Pegasus RAID. I like Thunderbolt!
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I like TB also; I just think it's curious and maybe a bit short-sighted for Intel to change the connector at such a relatively-early stage in TB's life.
 
sseaton1971 said:
I use Thunderbolt for my Ethernet (gigabit) and FireWire adapters, to transfer files between two Macs via Target Disk Mode, and to access volumes on an external Promise Pegasus RAID. I like Thunderbolt!
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It's great. Target disk mode is still one of the nicest Mac "perks".
 
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