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Under the screen fingerprint is not a new technology and Apple is a second fiddle by being not able to come up with a solution and Qualcomm proved that it can be done properly.

Apple isn't "second fiddle" just because they don't do every single thing under the sun.
 
And why would Apple care about controversy? Never ou rarely did and probably never will.

It can be problematic for Apple if the developer thinks the transition is not worth it and the customer can't get assurance of app compatibility. The performance increase is not significant and leads to controversy about who is responsible for the fiasco and price point of ARM-Based Macs is not better than x86 device and battery life improvement is still a myth rather than a sure thing from Apple. Tim Cook is slow to make things right for the product and it is often an experimental with overpriced product that yet to be determined work as it intended for upholding the gold standard that Steve Jobs established.
 
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I really regret not upgrading to the iMac Pro when it came out....really thought there would've have been a redesign by now to the regular one...now with all the working at home my 2012 is really showing its age...lol...so I'm holding back buying a refurb right now so much...but I REALLY want a new iMac but it looks like it will be the fall at the earliest.
 
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why did you mention “mini”? The mini was just updated.

also, rumors should stop saying “iMac updates soon” “iMac updates right after Mac mini”. People don’t know what soon means.

besides, maybe, just maybe, Apple has early access to new intel chips like the good ol days.
Regardless, yes, Apple sucks at updating Macs on a timely basis. Especially non mobile devices.

Agreed, Apple doesn't have to wait for a new Intel CPU for redesigning the product.
 
It can be problematic for Apple if the developer thinks the transition is not worth it and the customer can't get assurance of app compatibility. The performance increase is not significant and leads to controversy about who is responsible for the fiasco and price point of ARM-Based Macs is not better than x86 device and battery life improvement is still a myth rather than a sure thing from Apple. Tim Cook is slow to make things right for the product and it is often an experimental with overpriced product that yet to be determined work as it intended for upholding the gold standard that Steve Jobs established.
The same could be said of all Apple major decisions before and after Jobs and still they always go full throttle.
If they feel that their ARM offering is up to the task they will go for it and will go with all guns blazing.
And people will either adapt or leave Mac OS behind.
It isn't that I personally like or dislike this course of action but that is the way Apple has always done things.
 
why did you mention “mini”? The mini was just updated.

also, rumors should stop saying “iMac updates soon” “iMac updates right after Mac mini”. People don’t know what soon means.

besides, maybe, just maybe, Apple has early access to new intel chips like the good ol days.
Regardless, yes, Apple sucks at updating Macs on a timely basis. Especially non mobile devices.
Mini has not been updated since it’s release.

Last month, Apple discontinued a SKU (128GB) and reduced SSD pricing. They’ve reduced SSD pricing before (March 2019 and July 2019), also without updating.

I mentioned the mini because both it and iMac will only be updated after Intel is able to ship Comet Lake S-series. Blame Apple if you wish 🤷‍♂️

PS Your bottom quoting is non-standard on this forum. Have you not noticed the forum has standardized on top quoting?
 


An anonymous Twitter account with a fairly accurate track record has shared details about several Apple products that are supposedly under development.

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Some of the products mentioned by the account have not been extensively rumored until now, including a new iPad Air with under-the-screen Touch ID, an ARM-based 12-inch MacBook, and an Apple game controller by 2021.

On March 12, the account claimed that Apple is developing so-called "AirPods X" headphones, as leaker Jon Prosser later mentioned on April 7.


Corroborating existing rumors, the account also claims that Apple plans to release third-generation AirPods, refreshed 13-inch MacBook Pro and iMac models, a low-cost iPad with an A12 Bionic chip, a smaller HomePod, a new Apple TV, a small wireless charging pad for a single device, and four iPhone 12 models with an A14 chip, 5G support, smaller notch, a ProMotion refresh rate of up to 120Hz, and a new Navy Blue color option.


In recent weeks, the account has noted that some products and components have been delayed, including the new iMac models and the A14 chip.


The same Twitter account accurately revealed several details about the new iPhone SE before any other leakers that we know of, including that the device would launch in the second week of April and come in three storage capacities. Likewise, the account accurately claimed that new iPad Pro models would launch in the third week of March.


The account has had a few small misses, including that iOS 13.4 would be released on March 25. The software update arrived one day earlier.

Given the account's accuracy so far, several of these rumored Apple products could be legitimate.

Article Link: Leaker Says Apple Planning iPad Air With Under-the-Screen Touch ID, ARM-Based 12-Inch MacBook, Game Controller, and More
It was probably March 24th in his country
 
I really regret not upgrading to the iMac Pro when it came out....really thought there would've have been a redesign by now to the regular one...now with all the working at home my 2012 is really showing its age...lol...so I'm holding back buying a refurb right now so much...but I REALLY want a new iMac but it looks like it will be the fall at the earliest.
Hard to say but June-Oct would be likely for iMac. 8- (definite) and 10-core (likely) CPUs at the high end. iMac Pro update also by end of year, price decreases very possible due to price cuts in the W-2200 Xeon CPUs and NAND chips. Will your 2012 hold on? 😬
 
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No thanks! It'll probably be awful - Apple have a terrible track record of ergonomics - look at their mice (and don't even get me started on the Siri Remote). I also wouldn't be surprised if it was irritatingly simplified, eg no analogue triggers like the Nintendo Switch controller, though I'd say that likely depends what current MFI controllers support - do they have analogue triggers as standard? Personally I'd like to see standard controllers get a little *more* complicated, with dual stage triggers and rear/grip buttons, which are both very easy to understand and phenomenally useful features.


To be fair, I *loved* the old remote. The metal one with the ring of buttons. So simple to use, so little wasted space. But the Siri Remote, OMG. Worst Apple product ever.


Is it just the bezels you like? I can't think of any other example TouchID has, except on a phone (and not under screen) where you can feel it's location and activate it whilst the phone is coming out of your pocket.


Why? There's Windows for ARM. I think you may well be right, but not necessarily.


You what? Can you elaborate?


I'm not sure about that, for a few reasons. Is Sony under as much scrutiny as Apple, and doesn't Sony announce things long before they enter production?
I have an App on my iPad called Citrix Workspace. From there I can launch Virtual Desktop. It's Windows 10 Entreprise running on a Xeon.
I use it when running one Windows only entreprise application and when having to use websites which require Internet Explorer (Exclusively Microsoft sites now that I think of it).
It's not fast by any means but it does the job.
 
Hard to say but June-Oct would be likely for iMac. 8- and 10-core (likely) CPUs at the high end. iMac Pro update also by end of year, price decreases very possible due to price cuts in the W-2200 Xeon CPUs and NAND chips. Will your 2012 hold on? 😬

I think you're right about the 8 and 10 core options. 8 core as standard, surely a must. 10 core upsell model.

My 2012 iMac hasn't held on. The GPU fried (I think) and I can't boot Mac OS only PC Bootcamp. (Please, no jokes.)

So a new iMac is of interest to me. Hoping for the 32 inch, Mac Pro style display design, SSD and 8 core as standard and a Radeon 5700 XT option with the iMac Pro's superior cooling. And 16 gigs of ram standard.

The intel cpus are imminent (they seem to be running at higher thermals?) I can't understand why Apple don't go for the cheaper and superior Ryzen 8-16 cores. Either way. With the Intel cpus soon(TM) the iMac should be ready for an announcement at WWDC.

It's clearly overdue. Most everything Mac has been updated and it looks out of date compared to the Mini, Mac Pro and the 16 inch Macbook Pro...and the iMac Pro.

Stale.

Azrael.
 
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He got the letters mixed up its not ARM its AMD!

Bye, bye Intel, here comes AMD in the newer MacBook Pro's

Next gen MacBook like system won't be called MacBook, it will likely be called PowerBook! Using ARM with iPadOS !!
 
I think you're extremely naive about the amount of this code out there, especially when touching anything to do with DRM and anything involving third party graphics libraries and rendering engines such as Unreal which are much, much more common than Metal is.

Unreal on ARM is already a thing: https://developer.arm.com/solutions/graphics-and-gaming/gaming-engine/unreal-engine - and I'm pretty sure that it runs on iPad, too (https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Platforms/Mobile/iOS/QuickStart/index.html).

I'm not claiming that means it's "ready to roll" on ARM Mac, but once it is done - like any other library/framework - all the Apps that use it will benefit.

They're going to be a huge deal on a 12" MacBook, because people who buy a 12" Macbook instead of an iPad do it precisely because of the things that MacBook can do that an iOS device cannot, which is significantly overrepresented on that list.

People don't generally buy a 12" Macbook or Air for serious gaming, pro media creation or running lots of VMs. That's one reason why its a sensible starting point for ARM.
 
Which model and what do you think of the speed?

To be honest I wasn’t completely happy with the speed of the 2015 base model (Geekbench 5 multi-core score 1150), even back in 2015, but the 2017 m3 (1570) feels much faster.

Also see my performance post here:

I just have the base model, i am very happy with the speed but i am not a power user. I just use it for basic stuff like internet, emails, photos and music etc, so i perfectly fine for my requirements.

One of the main things i like about it is the design and size, it is my favourite Apple product ever, been using Macs since 2004.
 
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There is no guarantee that it's going to launch anytime soon.

There are no guarantees in life.

As for Apple. You can hope they release a refreshed 'Grater' for the enthusiast.

And then?

You get a 'stop gap' iMac Pro.

Then you get the Mac Pro we should have had...but 6 years late and 3 times the price of the old G5 towers. With a low end gpu.

I'm just glad I didn't hold my breath.

Azrael.
 
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why did you mention “mini”? The mini was just updated.

also, rumors should stop saying “iMac updates soon” “iMac updates right after Mac mini”. People don’t know what soon means.

besides, maybe, just maybe, Apple has early access to new intel chips like the good ol days.
Regardless, yes, Apple sucks at updating Macs on a timely basis. Especially non mobile devices.

As @PickUrPoison mentioned, the mini only got a storage tier update, not a CPU or related features update. The iMac is waiting on Intel to release Comet Lake-S CPUs, which are rumored to be introduced in late April or May. Whether Apple releases updated iMacs and minis before the Back To School buying season remains to be seen.

You do understand that desktops do not sell at the rate that mobile products do and that they are not going to get updated as often as iPhones, iPads, MacBook Airs and MacBook Pros?
 
The mini is still on the same CPU as 2018. It skipped Coffee Lake Refresh (because Intel wouldn't make a suitable CPU), and it's unclear if it'll get Comet Lake.

Yeah...Comet Lake would be nice. 8 core as standard.

But the thing they really have to fix is the gpu issue. For a company (under Jobs) that boasted the Mini shipped with dedicated graphics...the current model is an embarrassment from that point of view. With the weakest integrated crappics available? Which is further ironic when integrated graphics, as a whole, are improving. Especially if we look at AMD's Ryzen 4000 series 'laptop' chips with iGPU.

The Mini would be a decent machine if they doubled the height and put a proper gpu in it. It doesn't have to be an NV Titan. But a Radeon 570/580 would be nice. Even take the Mac Book Pro's gpu and put it in there.

Adding the eGPU kind of defeats the purpose as a 'mini' machine. And bucks it's affordability as a 'starter' or now, 'starter pro' machine.

Meh Mini. Still with a two year old cpu.

Azrael.
 
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