timmodugdale
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A person who just wants to browse the web and write documents and email shouldn’t find these issues to be a problem. The price will determine whether they will buy it more than any of these limitations.
If 8GB was out of the question Apple would be fitting these with A19 Pro chips. But alas… they are not.I believe eight gig of RAM is out of the question due to Apple Intelligence requirements. 12 or 16 is the new minimum.
What evidence do you speak of?
Current Airs have 16 ram minimum - due to AI.
All phones got a ram boost due to AI as well.
so which market do YOU think Apple is targeting?Seems many here don't understand the market Apple is targeting with this low-cost MacBook.
Good luck making do with 8GB.Every M1 Mac with 8GB supports AI.
Who said 16GB was the minimum due to AI?
For me - and I already own a MacBook Pro - it’s the early rumors that this new machine will be thinner and lighter than a base MacBook Air. This base MacBook would replace a 13-inch iPad Air with Magic Keyboard, which is heavier and clunkier than you might imagine. I have realistic expectations for the new MacBook, although I’d love 12GB of RAM. But my use case for the device wouldn’t be too demanding. If one doesn’t already have an Apple laptop then a base MacBook Air would be a better overall value - especially when it was going for $749 at the holidays.If it is priced at $699, then why not just spend an extra little more and get a Macbook air?
I think the fact the base 256 GB MBA configs vastly outsell the 512 GB models, much less the 1 TB+ BTO options suggests lots of people can cope with low storage. I'll bet a lot of people in their early 30s or younger won't have a video or music collection thanks to streaming, which is what always takes up a chunck of my storage.Good for her, but not everyone has the same needs as your mom.
Are you remembering that correctly? None of the plastic MacBooks from 2006-2010 had backlit keys except for that one weird aluminum unibody model that they made.
My second laptop ever was a Late-2008 13” Unibody Aluminum MacBook (base 2.0GHz). It also made several sacrifices to reduce the price and differentiate it versus the MacBook Pro. So I get while Apple wants to strip features on this new one. The only thing I hope they reconsider is the backlit keyboard; my Late-2008 keyboard was unlit and it was a constant annoyance. You’ve probably never experienced a dark keyboard before; until you have you won’t understand it. You won’t ever notice slower storage, a cheaper wifi chip, or standard-impedance headphones. And you’ll get used to a dimmer display without P3 colour. But constantly screwing-up your password and pressing the wrong keys in dim/dark rooms is a permanent reminder that you cheaped-out and you’ll never be truly happy with this purchase.
That’s one reason why I didn’t buy any of those devices. It’s 2026… backlit keyboards are not luxury items and not an unreasonable requirement.The plastic MacBook never had light keys.
Even the first three years of MacBook Air didn’t, it wasn’t added until 2011.
so which market do YOU think Apple is targeting?
As unfortunate as it may be, I think non-backlit keys does seem likely. Both the iPad and iPad Air Smart Keyboards have non-backlit keyboards, so they already use that feature as a differentiation between low-end and high-end products. I'm not an expert, but it does seem like omitting keyboard backlighting would decrease complexity in building the MacBook as well.The first gen Unibody Macbook (late 2008) did come with a backlit keyboard...but only in the higher SKU (2.4 GHz model). Sadly I got the base 2.0 GHz model and didn't get to experience a backlit keyboard until my 2014 MBA, which was revolutionary for me. I wouldn'e buy a laptop without one now. I know this low cost MacBook isn't aimed at me, but it just seems like one of those things that doesn't cost Apple very much at all (and might even cost them more to setup a new production line for none-backlit keys) and will just lead to a poorer user experience.
Good luck making do with 8GB.
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That was then. This is now.Are you remembering that correctly? None of the plastic MacBooks from 2006-2010 had backlit keys except for that one weird aluminum unibody model that they made.
ok, thanks and we should find out soon enough from Apple themselves.My guess would be the grade/high school education market for use in classes. Where having a laptop would be a huge benefit. And could be loaned by schools And having a much more expensive laptop isn't necessary.
Or... perhaps parents would like to give their children a laptop to get them up to speed, but can't afford the $$$$ for a better Mac laptop (and likely wouldn't be necessary in that situation).
I would guess 12GB. They could even surprise us and do 16 as long as the A18's memory controller supports it.Holding out hope that Apple will pair more RAM with the A18 Pro. They've had different RAM amounts on regular A chips in the past, like:
- A9X
- 12.9" iPad Pro – 4GB
- 9.7" iPad Pro – 2GB
- A10/A11
- iPhone 7/8 – 2GB
- iPhone 7+/8+ – 3GB
- A12
- iPads and iPhone XR – 3GB
- iPhone XS – 4GB
- A14/A15
- Pro phones had more RAM than base versions
The Chromebooks are tailored for education because of the support systems around them of managing the devices and keeping the data in the cloud. Apple doesn't have a device management system that would rival the one for Chromebooks.For the general public a price that is tiered below the Air will work for most. 599-699 will work. But for the educational division, you are competing with Chromebooks in the $200 range. If you can't get in the $200-300 range for educational purchases, it's a no go. Sorry, but true. School district look at this segment for students as good enough devices. Most were initially purchased for state testing purposes only. Cost is first determining factor. Second is the MDM system and easy of managing thousands of devices. What the device offers to students is last. While I know it should be the other way around, it's just not in most districts. So, if Apple wants to compete again in K-12 school districts, costs have to come way down.
ok, thanks and we should find out soon enough from Apple themselves.
I just know that the "beating" upon release will continue here on MR as most will be "disappointed" ...
but the cut off for devices to run AI has been 8GB of RAM. that is why the iPhone 15 Provwith its 8GB of RAM got Apple Intelligencebut the regular iPhone 15 with 6GB did not.What evidence do you speak of?
Current Airs have 16 ram minimum - due to AI.
All phones got a ram boost due to AI as well.
AppleBook to align with AW and AWP.Sounds like an Apple Chromebook.
M1 MBA on a wholesome level may be a better computer.What piece of garbage.