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Leaving Final Cut
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I was wondering about many of these issues last night! How many pros are going to not only migrate to Adobe or Avid, but will start moving to PCs instead of Mac Pros as well? (Apple sure hasn't helped with no Blu-Ray support.) And if video pros don't buy Mac Pros, who's left (besides graphic artists)? I don't know.
And I don't think this is a troll thread. Lots of companies/ pros are feeling like Apple dissed them with this latest release, and the fact that Apple and its acolytes seem not to get it isn't helping.
My experiences with Apple we would never move unless they stop making Mac Pro's. Even during heavy 3D work we still maintained to hang on to the MP's here even though It got a little crowed with BOXX and Dells for Maya.
The same could have been said years ago when Adobe released most of their products decently on PC. Once you have your house set-up its hard to start switching unless of course there are no Apple products to use.
Itll be a sad day but I was there when the last SGI was put to pasture at work
I'll be sticking with the Mac Pros for some time or as long as the OS stays like it is and they don't go to some ridiculous consumerist iOS like interface. Sure I can build a PC for less than a Mac Pro, but I prefer the design, the aesthetic, and having a box that can run both legit OSX and Windows.
How about the fact that after installing and re-installing Windows 7 a few times during a busy schedule you at least have a Mac Pro by your side to get you over the hump
Im talking about a pure Windows box not Boot Camp.
London calling
http://www.fcp.co/forum/4-final-cut-pro-x-fcpx/346-my-take-on-the-apple-fcpx-briefing-in-london-6711
were still running 10.5.6 on some here
Avid takes the longest to upgrade so no Lion for us.
http://www.fcp.co/forum/4-final-cut-pro-x-fcpx/346-my-take-on-the-apple-fcpx-briefing-in-london-6711
well most of us dont update or OS for years.Have you seen Lion?
were still running 10.5.6 on some here
Avid takes the longest to upgrade so no Lion for us.
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I hope your Mac Pro is good to go for a few more years. Typically it is impossible or extraordinarily difficult to "backgrade" an Apple machine to a previous OS than the currently shipping one. Most of the new features in Lion are absolutely pulled from or inspired by iOS UI features. So if you want a new Mac Pro without Lion, better grab it now before Lion drops, possibly as early as next week.
Good luck out there.
Have you seen Lion?
Yeah, I'm using it on my production laptop. I've edited 5 broadcasts on it already without any problems to be honest. LaunchPad is crap, but being able to four-finger swipe between apps is pretty damn useful. It's not as iOS-ey as you think aside from launch pad. The lack of scrollbars takes some getting use to but all in all I like it.
I've got a 2010 upgraded to dual 3.2Ghz Quad Core procs scoring a geek bench of 20k+...It's running Snow Leopard now. I'll be good for a bit.
Probably wont be moving to Lion (a dozen MacPro's) for a year unless the dust settles with all installed apps e.g. Avid, Adobe, Resolve, REDCineX etc...
Being on the so called bleeding edge, you tend to brush off the "sky is falling" FUD
What's so difficult or impossible about doing that? Back up your current OS, then if Lion sucks... just revert back to the previous system. Or, wipe the drive and start from scratch. There are more ways than this, but hopefully you get the point.
This is what anonymous responders hath wrought
It pains me to see the overblown postings, whether it's on FCPX or Obama's birth certificate or whatever. When we are anonymous we can be anyone, say anything and frequently use that "freedom" to be persons and say things we'd never say if we were speaking on the record as a real identifiable person.
Apple could surely have done a better job at it's first go with FCPX. As for me, I only trust people who I know can be trusted (e.g. Larry Jordan a known Final Cut expert comes to mind).
All the rest to me is noise from "Best thing I've ever seen ever" to "How can they be so stupid".
I don't think that noise serves us or the vendors whose products we rely on. And if you think your noise one way or the other has an affect, you're wrong.
Feel free to start calling me names.
It pains me to see the overblown postings, whether it's on FCPX or Obama's birth certificate or whatever. When we are anonymous we can be anyone, say anything and frequently use that "freedom" to be persons and say things we'd never say if we were speaking on the record as a real identifiable person.
Apple could surely have done a better job at it's first go with FCPX. As for me, I only trust people who I know can be trusted (e.g. Larry Jordan a known Final Cut expert comes to mind).
All the rest to me is noise from "Best thing I've ever seen ever" to "How can they be so stupid".
I don't think that noise serves us or the vendors whose products we rely on. And if you think your noise one way or the other has an affect, you're wrong.
Feel free to start calling me names.
He's talking about taking a machine that ships w/Lion and trying to install an older OS on it. Ever taken a machine that shipped w/SL and tried to roll it back to Leopard?
You don't think all the noise caused Apple to release that FAQ, give information about impending updates or re-instate volume license sales of FCP7? I agree that personal insults have no place in a discussion and get tossed around more frequently online than in real life but the firestorm that erupted certainly got Apple's attention.
Victim much?
Lethal
The simplest fix to this is to put FC7, and FCS 3, back on the shelves so people who need the features that are missing in FCPX can buy additional copies if they need them. Then with FCPX is feature-parity with the older one they can start to migrate.*
* I also realize that Final Cut was made available to future licensing but not everyone is on an enterprise-account.
* I also realize that Final Cut was made available to future licensing but not everyone is on an enterprise-account.
I don't think its no surprise to Apple the reaction they received. They get the same reaction throughout the history of Apple and its computers & software for the many things they have done like this.
I'm sure once these updates get released with the missing features, everybody will claim it was due to the uproar the pro's made over these missing features. But it won't be. It was already planned this way before it even got released.
As far as the reinstating licenses for FCP7, I think they just wanted them to try out FCP X before they sold more old licenses.
I'm new to video editing but I'll be joining the FCP X. I remember when Adobe dropped FrameMarker, by far the best word processor because not enough people used it. I'll bet that's what Apple was looking at with FCP.
For $300-$400 FCP X should be much more popular which will allow more development in the future. Hopefully they can sort out some of the compatibility issues with previous FCP versions.
If you can pick and choose between $1000 editing software maybe FCPX isn't for professional standards but that's the nature of expensive specialized software. When Adobe cuts you loose there will be no warning or farewell party, you are just out in the cold.
For $300-$400 FCP X should be much more popular which will allow more development in the future. Hopefully they can sort out some of the compatibility issues with previous FCP versions.
If you can pick and choose between $1000 editing software maybe FCPX isn't for professional standards but that's the nature of expensive specialized software. When Adobe cuts you loose there will be no warning or farewell party, you are just out in the cold.
Finally..someone in this thread who "gets it". So many here, due to their ignorance of the pro broadcast tv / film world marginalize the issues as "whining" etc....simply not grasping the massive degree to which Apple just screwed these people and post prod companies. Only callous people shrug off such injustice.
Today, Matrox offered FCPX "solutions" for tape capture / output as well as monitoring. Their solutions are a joke..a bad joke. It's not Matrox's fault though. They can only play the hand they've been dealt. Unless Aja or Blackmagic design pulls a rabbit out of their hat, it's over for the pro, multi-user environments and Apple. But they are facing the same roadblocks Matrox did. Turning your external monitor into a computer monitor is NOT a solution. You can't accurately check field dominance issues or legal specs.
Matrox Output "solution"?
-- Can't capture within application (!!)
-- Unknown if you can batch recapture missing media files, so proxy / on-line style editing in doubt.
-- Have to export movie before exporting to tape. (!!)
It really would be nice if Apple would just put FCPX out of its misery for broadcast tv / film and stop "leading us on".
well Apple can do whatever they want and you can just stop using. No ones leading anyone on. Its just business folks just business. This is a software/hardware company not Jim Jones with a bottle of kool-aid
Been there a few times but with upgrades and not EOL software
CS4 was the buggiest POS at first but then it finally worked then comes along CS5. But this time around they had an accomplish. Apple for ****** and giggles decided to give Adobe an broken version of QT so now for past year we cant render files over AFP network over 2GB
And to date with CS5.5 this is still a problem.
It was an isolated incident since there wasnt a huge backlash against Adobe.
I guess not everyones working in a pro field where they use XServe and AFP along with After Effects and Premiere rendering files over 2GB.
Oh and you gotta love Adobes reply, just render it to local drive.
And if your not happy with that, blame Apple was the other reply
Been there a few times but with upgrades and not EOL software
CS4 was the buggiest POS at first but then it finally worked then comes along CS5. But this time around they had an accomplish. Apple for ****** and giggles decided to give Adobe an broken version of QT so now for past year we cant render files over AFP network over 2GB
And to date with CS5.5 this is still a problem.
It was an isolated incident since there wasnt a huge backlash against Adobe.
I guess not everyones working in a pro field where they use XServe and AFP along with After Effects and Premiere rendering files over 2GB.
Oh and you gotta love Adobes reply, just render it to local drive.
And if your not happy with that, blame Apple was the other reply
Well, I ordered Premier Pro 5.5 at the half off "switch" promotion. Hope this wasn't a mistake. Apparently it doesn't include the audio software, Audition. Upgrading to the Premium package would include that includes After Effects, but that's kind of a huge jump for a novice. My other concern is no prores codac. I'll be using a HV 40 for now that has tape. So hope Primier will work as well. I could see another camera as well soon. So maybe it was a mistake and I should go with FCP X?
A mistakes a bit harsh. You can still use Premiere as an NLE. Dont give up on it.
When if you have the budget to get the other parts, Adobe is good at upgrading from a single app to their Suite. Well I hope they will still be like that after all this. I have this fear that Avid and Adobe will fall back to their old selves again
Since FCPX is still at its infancy (Im using for production along with Avid), maybe in a few months/years come back and test the waters
A mistakes a bit harsh. You can still use Premiere as an NLE. Dont give up on it.
When if you have the budget to get the other parts, Adobe is good at upgrading from a single app to their Suite. Well I hope they will still be like that after all this. I have this fear that Avid and Adobe will fall back to their old selves again
Since FCPX is still at its infancy (Im using for production along with Avid), maybe in a few months/years come back and test the waters
Thanks, I'll be trying to put together some instructional videos and such. There are so many variables to consider, I started another thread to get a better understanding of the workflow. I'll also be putting a lot of time into learning the editing process so wanted to get off on the right foot. Good to know Adobe has some upgrade options. Even a beginner wants to know what road map they are on as no one wants to waste time or money for something that's not right for them. With the Adobe Suite it looks a solid future for them. I'm tying to get into some freelance projects, I'm sure it's a different perspecitve for professionals. I could also see adding a camera like a Go Pro, so not sure if FCP X can handle two cameras? I don't have any experience with this but if it can't that could be limiting for even a beginner.
Im sure in a few months the multicam option will be back. Heck I didtn have that when I started and we had to work with at least 4 different types of cameras then
Ive been testing the GoProHD at home and at work Ive used new/old footages from XDCAM, DVCAM and RED MX.
So far so good.