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Everything about Android and the Google culture is still abhorrent to me, especially in the age of Gemini, but to each their own.

I agree that modern Apple is poop, iOS 26 is Candy Land and more asinine changes to functionality to anyone that doesn't suffer from ADHD for what used to be something serious and very useful, but it's still the lesser of evils in the broader sense. I know a couple of people that went through this and ended up back on iOS because Google is just awful from top to bottom in the long run, and eventually they see it. But you do what you think is the right thing for yourself.

This is kinda just the landscape these days, and I personally still feel Android is worse, so very, very much worse. Silicon Valley in general is kind of a dumpster fire at the moment after the 'unicorn' era. And I say this as someone that has also used technology for decades.

It is what it is; in 2026 these tools are no longer optional, at least to an extent.
 
Appreciate your post. Don't get me wrong I'm really not a fan of Google. I don't exactly agree with their policies etc but it's time I saw the other side for a change. Like I said it's possible I'll hate it and be back in a flash who knows but I am looking forward to something completely different, learning something and seeing things from another perspective.

My hope is NothingOS is as stripped back as it claims and doesn't come with loads of bloatware which Im lead to believe is true. The whole ethos is there's nothing you don't need. I guess I'll find out soon enough.
 
I shut off all animations on my Android phones through developer settings. Until that's possible on iOS I'll never get an iPhone. I want my phone OS to be as snappy as possible without any bells and whistles.

Overall Android gives me so much more freedom, not to mention how easy it is to transfer files from my Windows PC to specific folders without having to go through the extra app "Apple Devices". I actually feel like I can breathe and use my phone like an adult.
 
I used to get a chubby with Pixel and Samsung. Custom skins, launchers, blah blah. But when I plug my phone into my car, pair new earbuds, login to my desktop and have it all just work I realized I’d rather just have something that works without thought vs goofy lock screen, side loading, and tinkering.
 
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My current phone is a 13Mini. It still pretty quick with iOS26 (although it sometimes does nothing when I try to open the camera app?!).

For me over the years the usability has slipped and iOS26 along with the steaming pile that is Tahoe has finally tipped me over the edge. Don't get me wrong the hardware is still top notch (just grossly over priced) but the user experience mainly boils down to software and Apple is just going backwards with it.

Nothing OS is very stripped back with no needless graphical effects getting in the way. The clarity of the UI compared to iOS26 is night and day and I appreciate the modernist aesthetic. That being said I've never used Android in any form before and I could possibly hate it and be back in no time but I'm open to trying something new after all these years witnessing the fall in quality at Apple.

What do yo uvate about Android UI?

*I've left 'uvate' in because it's a clear nod to the keyboard bug that Apple still hasn't even acknowledged let alone fixed after all these years (one of the reasons I'm leaving). It should say 'what do you hate about Android?' but it decided to completely remove two characters, swap out another and ignore the space. 🙄
To be fair, the iPhone 13 Mini isn't even in the same ballpark as the 17 base, Pro, and Max. I've had every iPhone since the 4 and currently use the 17PM alongside an Android flagship (which changes every few months or so), so I've used pretty much everything out there.

Each company has its own flavor of Android. A Pixel will be different from Galaxy, Nothing, OnePlus, etc. That's part of what I don't like about Android. I don't know how Nothing handles the following example, I'll use the Pixel as an example. Font size and zoom does not apply universally across the device. Web browsers can be smaller than what I set the font size to in the system settings, messaging apps can be larger, etc. It really annoyed me, my last Pixel was the 10 Pro XL. I also had Bluetooth issues where sound would play from my ear buds and through my phone- while connected to ear buds. Super annoying. These issues are non-existent on Samsung phones or OnePlus phones.

Android Auto is inferior (in my opinion) to CarPlay. Somehow Google still does not have real-time speedometer on the interface when navigating with Google maps. iOS / CarPlay has had this feature for a while.

Live activities- I'm pretty sure the 13 Mini has them? There's nothing on the market in the Android world that comes close to iOS in this regard. Apparently Google is working on this in Android 17 with "min mode" but I haven't seen any examples of it up and running for 3rd party apps like iOS has.

Always on display- I rely on this all day at my office, I have the weather forecast and my calendar showing at all times as widgets on the AOD. Amazing to me that Apple of all companies offers more customization of lock screen and AOD than many Android manufacturers. Samsung is the exception, OneUI is the best in this regard.

Google news feed (Android)- I love swiping right on the home screen and viewing Google news. The problem is it's non-stop ad pop ups. You need to use an ad blocker and private DNS in order to prevent ads on a system-wide level. Really helps and highly recommend this. Using Chrome also non-stop pop ups. Private DNS makes it actually usable again.

Keyboard- I agree, it sucks on iOS. Gboard is SO MUCH BETTER on Android, as is the translation to another language in real time as I type.

I don't hate iOS 26, honestly, I've never had any issue or problem with it. Overall apps (that I use, very subjective opinion) just feel more polished on iOS.

Messaging- do you have a Mac? If so I highly recommend using OpenBubbles. You download it on your Mac which displays a QR code that you scan one time in the app on your Android phone. You can then use iMessage on your Android. It works perfectly and works with Android Auto as well. It'll use your Apple ID for iMessage unless you also keep an iPhone as a spare phone, in airplane mode and connected to wifi. Doing so will still let you use your phone number for iMessage on the Android phone.

Enjoy your time with the Nothing phone, never tried one and it looks intriguing to me. If this is your 1st Android phone there will be an adjustment period, give it time and learn the ropes, and then make a decision whether to stick with it or go back to iOS.
 
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After 20 years of iPhone today I finally stepped out of the garden. I’m not happy with Apples current direction, particularly the quality of software and degradation of usability.

I’ve been using Apple devices exclusively for over 30 years and at times championed them over the competition because they were the best in hardware, software and usability. It’s what made Apple Apple but it is no longer the case for me. I’m tired of having to work harder to achieve the same results. Daft UI decisions that makes usability more difficult just so Apple can save money and put out a unified OS across all devices instead of tailored devices that suit the hardware for a best in class experience, couple that with a massive increase in bugs being put out over the years and it’s time I try out something new.

So I’ve bought a Nothing™ Phone 4a that just got launched today. It runs a stripped back version of Android with its own minimal OS that focuses on minimal distraction (the complete opposite of iOS26 and LiquidGlass). I personally think the phone and the OS look great. A bonus of preordering I've just unexpectedly been given a free set of Nothing Headphones worth £79 so that's pretty cool too. I’m looking forward to receiving everything next week even though I have literally no experience with Android devices.

I don’t take enough photos to be bothered about camera tech, I don’t need massive battery or high screen refresh. I just want a phone that allows me to communicate so I’ve gone for the 4a as its the very latest phone from them and its incredibly priced for the specs, even though that’s not why I went for it. I went for the 4a because Nothings focus aligns with mine - getting stuff done with minimal distraction. So I’m jumping to the dark side after 20 years of iPhone.

Im sure there will be many people rolling their eyes asking why does this warrant a thread but for me personally its a very big shift and while I’m looking forward to getting away from iOS26 I am also a little nervous about Android and it foibles.

Any tips on how to protect myself would be appreciated and even your own experiences of switching or thoughts about switching. Why did you switch and how have you found it? Are you an Android user or better yet a Nothing OS user, what do you or don't you like about it?
I wasn’t aware this place was an airport
 
I've considered getting Android in the past and I've just decided to stick with Apple. I may be in the walled Garden but Apple does everything I need it to and it simply isn't worth the hassle to change / switch.
It is what it is. Many choose to stay in the Apple ecosystem for the same reason you mention. My main problem with some is when they claim that they are trapped and can't get out. It's a choice. Getting out may be a hassle that many are unwilling to endure - but it's still a choice to stay there.

For myself, I just prefer to straddle the middle ground. Being able to come and go without being bound or trapped by either ecosystem gives me great flexibility.
 
It is what it is. Many choose to stay in the Apple ecosystem for the same reason you mention. My main problem with some is when they claim that they are trapped and can't get out. It's a choice. Getting out may be a hassle that many are unwilling to endure - but it's still a choice to stay there.

For myself, I just prefer to straddle the middle ground. Being able to come and go without being bound or trapped by either ecosystem gives me great flexibility.
The only thing that keeps me on Iphone is Imessage. All my other friends, and family have Iphones. Me getting an Android would suddenly make things a lot more difficult due to group chats and what not not working with Androids seamlessly.
 
The only thing that keeps me on Iphone is Imessage. All my other friends, and family have Iphones. Me getting an Android would suddenly make things a lot more difficult due to group chats and what not not working with Androids seamlessly.
I've been messaging someone from a previous job for the last couple weeks. All RCS. Both his carrier and my carrier have RCS. So, even though he has an Android and I have an iPhone, I am getting Read Receipts and Delivered messages. I even get the animation when he's typing in a message.

It isn't iMessage of course, but if the color of the bubbles were blue instead of green, I'd have to look in the Message body where it says RCS to know it isn't an iMessage.

My point is that RCS is spreading.

I am mentioning this, just because it's what I've personally experienced. Quit honestly, nothing I do message-wise is so earth-shatteringly private that an SMS wouldn't do the trick. That's just me though, just me.
 
I never had good luck with Android as it always seemed the phones would start crashing right at the 2 year mark. They would always start crashing when it was time to upgrade phones. I switched to Apple with the iPhone 6 and haven't looked back.

My oldest son has switched between Apple and Android phones over the years and he always comes back to Apple.

My youngest son has a Pixel and it has been nothing but trouble for him. He has had it replaced several times under warranty. He is to the point of going with something else.
 
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I never had good luck with Android as it always seemed the phones would start crashing right at the 2 year mark. They would always start crashing when it was time to upgrade phones. I switched to Apple with the iPhone 6 and haven't looked back.

My oldest son has switched between Apple and Android phones over the years and he always comes back to Apple.

My youngest son has a Pixel and it has been nothing but trouble for him. He has had it replaced several times under warranty. He is to the point of going with something else.
I never had much issue with my Pixel (3a XL), but I also don't use my phones as computers/media devices/game consoles/TVs/etc. That said, after 9 months with it, it made me realize that it was iOS I actually liked. The iPhone is just the container.

Been using my Pixel lately as a remote for my Amazon Firestick. Works pretty well for that.

My kids are solidly iPhone, they have never asked for an Android. But my son uses PCs and not Macs. That's my fault as when he joined high school, the school wanted no compatibility issues so I got him a PC.
 
To be fair, the iPhone 13 Mini isn't even in the same ballpark as the 17 base, Pro, and Max. I've had every iPhone since the 4 and currently use the 17PM alongside an Android flagship (which changes every few months or so), so I've used pretty much everything out there.

Each company has its own flavor of Android. A Pixel will be different from Galaxy, Nothing, OnePlus, etc. That's part of what I don't like about Android. I don't know how Nothing handles the following example, I'll use the Pixel as an example. Font size and zoom does not apply universally across the device. Web browsers can be smaller than what I set the font size to in the system settings, messaging apps can be larger, etc. It really annoyed me, my last Pixel was the 10 Pro XL. I also had Bluetooth issues where sound would play from my ear buds and through my phone- while connected to ear buds. Super annoying. These issues are non-existent on Samsung phones or OnePlus phones.

Android Auto is inferior (in my opinion) to CarPlay. Somehow Google still does not have real-time speedometer on the interface when navigating with Google maps. iOS / CarPlay has had this feature for a while.

Live activities- I'm pretty sure the 13 Mini has them? There's nothing on the market in the Android world that comes close to iOS in this regard. Apparently Google is working on this in Android 17 with "min mode" but I haven't seen any examples of it up and running for 3rd party apps like iOS has.

Always on display- I rely on this all day at my office, I have the weather forecast and my calendar showing at all times as widgets on the AOD. Amazing to me that Apple of all companies offers more customization of lock screen and AOD than many Android manufacturers. Samsung is the exception, OneUI is the best in this regard.

Google news feed (Android)- I love swiping right on the home screen and viewing Google news. The problem is it's non-stop ad pop ups. You need to use an ad blocker and private DNS in order to prevent ads on a system-wide level. Really helps and highly recommend this. Using Chrome also non-stop pop ups. Private DNS makes it actually usable again.

Keyboard- I agree, it sucks on iOS. Gboard is SO MUCH BETTER on Android, as is the translation to another language in real time as I type.

I don't hate iOS 26, honestly, I've never had any issue or problem with it. Overall apps (that I use, very subjective opinion) just feel more polished on iOS.

Messaging- do you have a Mac? If so I highly recommend using OpenBubbles. You download it on your Mac which displays a QR code that you scan one time in the app on your Android phone. You can then use iMessage on your Android. It works perfectly and works with Android Auto as well. It'll use your Apple ID for iMessage unless you also keep an iPhone as a spare phone, in airplane mode and connected to wifi. Doing so will still let you use your phone number for iMessage on the Android phone.

Enjoy your time with the Nothing phone, never tried one and it looks intriguing to me. If this is your 1st Android phone there will be an adjustment period, give it time and learn the ropes, and then make a decision whether to stick with it or go back to iOS.
Thank you. That's the kind of information I'm interested in.

I got my iPhone2G 2 days before launch date so I was probably one of the first in the UK to have it. I ended up at a party and was literally swamped when people discovered I had it already telling me it's fake lol. After that I had 3GS, 4S, 6S, X and now 13Mini so always been on iPhone since day one. Nothings flavour of Android is what interests me as it is stripped back and focuses on function instead of loads of bells and whistles like most other versions.

I just want a phone that I can phone people with, email and some messaging and very light web browsing. I want to be productive, I don't just sit and consume stuff. I'm not on social media for example. This forum is the only outlet I frequent as I can peruse it while working at my desk. I don't have the need (nor desire) to carry the world in my pocket so there's very limited apps that I use.

CarPlay is pretty good because there's not much to it. Basically hit play and off you go. It's intuitive and easy to use which is in stark contrast to the rest of Apples software these days. Im sure AndroidAuto will be different but my hope is that NothingOS will come through on screen and not some built in AA reskin of what I see on my phone?! I don't know how it works.

I don't use LiveActivities. Not even sure the mini does them anyway so won't be missing them.

The Nothing Phone 4a has an always on HDR AMOLED screen, I've never had always on before. For a low/midrange phone that costs only £349 that's pretty impressive especially with the 120hz refresh.

I am DEFINITELY looking forward to getting away from the Apple keyboards and their bugginess. Tired of correcting words that have been typed correctly but rendered incorrectly.

Im not worried about tethering my phone to my Mac. Currently it is as it's easy when everything is Apple but I don't even make use of it. Security codes via SMS for websites on the Mac is useful for example but they will come through on my phone at the same time anyway so it's no big deal to type 6 numbers in a box. I have to do that anyway 50% of the time as the code never comes through on the Mac or Im sat waiting for it while the code is already on my phone.

As for your last bit that's exactly what I intend to do. Feel it out, see if I like and if not I may be back. I just hope something fundamental changes soon at Apple and they start to focus on making great products again instead of milking everything into mediocrity.
 
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*I've put this in iPhone forum as not sure where best to place it. Feel free to move it.

After 20 years of iPhone today I finally stepped out of the garden. I’m not happy with Apples current direction, particularly the quality of software and degradation of usability.

I’ve been using Apple devices exclusively for over 30 years and at times championed them over the competition because they were the best in hardware, software and usability. It’s what made Apple Apple but it is no longer the case for me. I’m tired of having to work harder to achieve the same results. Daft UI decisions that makes usability more difficult just so Apple can save money and put out a unified OS across all devices instead of tailored devices that suit the hardware for a best in class experience, couple that with a massive increase in bugs being put out over the years and it’s time I try out something new.

So I’ve bought a Nothing™ Phone 4a that just got launched today. It runs a stripped back version of Android with its own minimal OS that focuses on minimal distraction (the complete opposite of iOS26 and LiquidGlass). I personally think the phone and the OS look great. A bonus of preordering I've just unexpectedly been given a free set of Nothing Headphones worth £79 so that's pretty cool too. I’m looking forward to receiving everything next week even though I have literally no experience with Android devices.

I don’t take enough photos to be bothered about camera tech, I don’t need massive battery or high screen refresh. I just want a phone that allows me to communicate so I’ve gone for the 4a as its the very latest phone from them and its incredibly priced for the specs, even though that’s not why I went for it. I went for the 4a because Nothings focus aligns with mine - getting stuff done with minimal distraction. So I’m jumping to the dark side after 20 years of iPhone.

Im sure there will be many people rolling their eyes asking why does this warrant a thread but for me personally its a very big shift and while I’m looking forward to getting away from iOS26 I am also a little nervous about Android and it foibles.

Any tips on how to protect myself would be appreciated and even your own experiences of switching or thoughts about switching. Why did you switch and how have you found it? Are you an Android user or better yet a Nothing OS user, what do you or don't you like about it?
100% jealous. Nothing have the best software experience on Android and their hardware is much better than the price suggests.

As you're quoting things in GBP I'll assume you're in the UK and never use iMessage so thats not an issue. Some people have a chip on their shoulder about Google, not aware that even anonymous browsing is tagged to an IP address for profiling. You can't escape it so why not get something back, eh?

As someone who is deep in both ecosystems at one point or another here is the breakdown:

- The base differences between Android and iOS these days is swings and roundabouts. Its pretty easy to adjust, even more so with Nothing who let you optionally do the iOS app organisation and the layered lockscreens. If you don't like it you can download a 'launcher' which essentially replaces your homescreen experience with another. Avoid the data-sucking iOS copies though. Smart Launcher is a good shout.

- iOS does still have an edge when it comes to 'premium' apps but these are fewer and farther between as time goes on. There is no Android version of classic Apple apps like Pixelmator, Ulysses or Scrivener but if you've never used them you won't miss them.

- The days of their being a massive gulf in gaming is long gone. iOS might have the PS4 ports but nobody really plays them anyway. Android phones can reliably emulate anything back to the GameCube with even experimental Xbox 360 support if thats your jam.

- Gemini can be turned off in favour of the classic Google Assistant (or swapped out entirely) if thats your jam. You can even run local AI models completely offline if you like.

- Do not use Chrome. The mobile version doesn't support extensions which means no ad-blocking. I've used Samsung Internet as my web browser for years with ABP to block ads and its brilliant.

- The editing you can do with Google Photos is night and day over the Apple Photos app. Object removal and rotational fill is on another level.

- The glyph lights on Nothing Phones are an understated gem and have all sorts of uses. The best I found was as a soft flashlight and a visual countdown timer for photography. Nothing are also a British company and its nice to support a local startup.
 
Happy for you man. I did exactly the same after updating my 13 Mini to iOS 26. I just can't stand with that terrible and horrible UI. And also, the system just doesn't feel snappy.

Sold the Mini to my brother who don't care that much and bought a Pixel 9a.

I have tried Android before with a Pixel 5 and some older phones and always returned to iOS but this time is different. There is no reason to go back because there is no salvation in these days.

iOS 26 is just horrible and is not only iOS 26, it's Liquid Glass.. and we will have it unknown amount of years from now.. thanks but not thanks.

I still keep my M1 Air (obviously not with Tahoe, another disaster). Love the screen, battery life and performance. The problem is that we are in the same boat.. you will need to update to a recent OS early or later and that OS will have Liquid Glass.. At least with the smartphones you have some different brands that use different kind of Androids (don't like Samsung UI but really like the Pixel UI) but with the laptop market you have Mac OS with liquid glass or Windows with that garbage called windows 11.. and I'm not that good with Linux to be honest..
 
100% jealous. Nothing have the best software experience on Android and their hardware is much better than the price suggests.

As you're quoting things in GBP I'll assume you're in the UK and never use iMessage so thats not an issue. Some people have a chip on their shoulder about Google, not aware that even anonymous browsing is tagged to an IP address for profiling. You can't escape it so why not get something back, eh?

As someone who is deep in both ecosystems at one point or another here is the breakdown:

- The base differences between Android and iOS these days is swings and roundabouts. Its pretty easy to adjust, even more so with Nothing who let you optionally do the iOS app organisation and the layered lockscreens. If you don't like it you can download a 'launcher' which essentially replaces your homescreen experience with another. Avoid the data-sucking iOS copies though. Smart Launcher is a good shout.

- iOS does still have an edge when it comes to 'premium' apps but these are fewer and farther between as time goes on. There is no Android version of classic Apple apps like Pixelmator, Ulysses or Scrivener but if you've never used them you won't miss them.

- The days of their being a massive gulf in gaming is long gone. iOS might have the PS4 ports but nobody really plays them anyway. Android phones can reliably emulate anything back to the GameCube with even experimental Xbox 360 support if thats your jam.

- Gemini can be turned off in favour of the classic Google Assistant (or swapped out entirely) if thats your jam. You can even run local AI models completely offline if you like.

- Do not use Chrome. The mobile version doesn't support extensions which means no ad-blocking. I've used Samsung Internet as my web browser for years with ABP to block ads and its brilliant.

- The editing you can do with Google Photos is night and day over the Apple Photos app. Object removal and rotational fill is on another level.

- The glyph lights on Nothing Phones are an understated gem and have all sorts of uses. The best I found was as a soft flashlight and a visual countdown timer for photography. Nothing are also a British company and its nice to support a local startup.
I've been using NordVPN for years to block ads so that will be one of the apps I download first. Biggest question for me is which browser to use? I don't use extensions and do like the bookmarks syncing of iCloud but I can easily live without that. I just want an unobtrusive browsing experience without bells and whistles.
 
The reason you'll be back is nobody does the seamless integration like Apple. I'm sure you have a library full of paid movies, music, apps, etc. that should all act as serious disincentives to ever consider abandoning Apple. Your friends and family are all using Apple Messages. Your notes are beautifully crafted in Apple Notes. Your photo library is in iCloud and you have shared collections with all your family. Your Watch doesn't work on Android. Your iPad will be disconnected from your phone. Your AirPods perform best when paired with Apple devices. Your Apple Music sounds best when its played using an Apple device.

There is Nothing 4a second good about leaving all this behind.
Where does the OP say they have an ipad, apple watch etc? They mentioned the cost of the headphones being £79, so They are most probably British, and thus the apple messages issue is moot. It's easy to migrate photos to google photos. I use Google keep and Notion for notes so cross compatibility is not an issue. I use spotify on iOS, maybe Tumbledryer does too? Airpods if they have them non issue with the nothing earbuds. I prefer my pixel buds to my airpod pros, fit better, sound as good (to my ears anyway) and the touchpad is better. Airpods win slightly on ANC though to be fair.

So many assumptions there. Once you get used to the UI Android is a lot more user friendly. And the keyboard works.
 
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I used to get a chubby with Pixel and Samsung. Custom skins, launchers, blah blah. But when I plug my phone into my car, pair new earbuds, login to my desktop and have it all just work I realized I’d rather just have something that works without thought vs goofy lock screen, side loading, and tinkering.
That describes my pixel experience, seamless headphone pairing (especially with NFC) a useful lockscreen, link to windows, and no need to tinker, but you can if you want. Much better than iOS where you have to do what tim apple wants you to do
 
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