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Legal jailbreak: where it leaves us?

XJ13sd said:
No guarantee is right. But no guarantee that it won't and no guarantee it won't. I think more people are going to be willing to jailbreak now. And I absolutely agree about apple and the AppStore until breaking becomes fairly mainstream and it affects apples revenue, then we may see an unlocked AppStore.
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Why do you think more people are willing to try and research jailbreaking when there is already an infamous team doing it?

If anything people are leaving the scene. Geohot hasn't even tried to jb the iPhone 4, he's already moved on.

The Appstore will always be regulated. There is no place for cydia apps on the appstore.
 
XJ13sd said:
No guarantee is right. But no guarantee that it won't and no guarantee it won't. I think more people are going to be willing to jailbreak now. And I absolutely agree about apple and the AppStore until breaking becomes fairly mainstream and it affects apples revenue, then we may see an unlocked AppStore.
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Jailbreaking doesn't affect Apple's revenue (pirating apps does, but that's another matter). Apple are control freaks, most apps in Cydia modify the OS in ways that Apple would never allow.
 
Lol I think the you couldn't be more wrong is funny as ALL this including your ideas about jail breaking not going mainstream is all speculation I'm just thinking about what could happen with the future of jailbreaking like 3-5 years from now. And yes I believe that with it being in writing by the us government will lead to an increase in jail broken phones. Don't state facts, remember the as..holes who swore they were getting a white iPhone no one knows how jailbreaking will be in 5 years, I think it's entirely possible for the phone to come jail broken by then but I'm NOT saying it will.

Also, never allow yet and yes pirating apps as more people jailbreak is part of the matter, again not tomorrow but down the road, could have apple rethinking the AppStore policies, or not. Nothing may ever change and the constant cat and mouse game between apple and jailbreak devs will continue.
 
moussekateer said:
You couldn't be more wrong. Apple will still continue to aggressively protect their phones and patch jailbreaks. The dev team will always be needed to find exploits and use them to jailbreak phones. If anything it's getting harder to jailbreak phones as Apple uses stricter measures (the baseband in the iPhone 4 now needs fresh SHSH blobs per RESTORE not per firmware) and there are less exploits to find. Jailbreaking is not mainstream, and even if it were how would that make it easier to jailbreak? It'd be the same clever hackers working on it, it's not like you or I would suddenly start developing jailbreaks..
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Exactly, any halfwit can grow some weed. Jailbreaking requires a brain.
 
moussekateer said:
Jailbreaking doesn't affect Apple's revenue (pirating apps does, but that's another matter). Apple are control freaks, most apps in Cydia modify the OS in ways that Apple would never allow.
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That is very debatable, Apps that allow stuf like Facetime over 3G will hurt apple revenues, when people unlock and go to an non-official carrier, also hurt apple revenues (since they get revenue share with supported carriers).

When you buy an App from Open App store 100% go to the developer, there are many other way that this hurt Apple revenue.

Without counting the fact that Virus, spy were can make it to the device and hurt "users Experience" and keep new user form coming to "a" specific iDevice. Basically worst PR than with the Antenna issue.
 
maturola said:
That is very debatable, Apps that allow stuf like Facetime over 3G will hurt apple revenues, when people unlock and go to an non-official carrier, also hurt apple revenues (since they get revenue share with supported carriers).

When you buy an App from Open App store 100% go to the developer, there are many other way that this hurt Apple revenue.

Without counting the fact that Virus, spy were can make it to the device and hurt "users Experience" and keep new user form coming to "a" specific iDevice. Basically worst PR than with the Antenna issue.
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I'm not sure how allowing Facetime over 3G affects Apple in anyway? I can see you point with revenue sharing with the carriers but at the end of the day they're probably happy to sell you a phone that you can buy apps/music/books from. And like I said, most of the money going into Cydia apps Apple would never see anyway because they wouldn't allow those apps in the first place.
 
Lol. It wasn't a comparison in brainpower although growing weed correctly does require some chemistry knowledge, it in no way is as difficult, never said it was, just said after 14 years of being legal it's no longer a problem finding high grade weed, same COULD happen with jailbreak. That's all the comparison was nothing to do with the difficulty of the two tasks. And I think all the people who say can't and won't should say they don't think cause no one knows where we will be with jailbreaking or growing weed in 5 years. Lol. Started this thread to hear some ideas of what the future of jailbreaking could be, everyone seems to think it will stay the same. Ok.
 
So much misinformation in this thread... where do I start?


Jailbreaking can still be actively blocked by companies through patches, can still void warranty and will never be officially endorsed by anyone. All this ruling does is not allow Apple to disallow jailbreaking on the sole basis that doing so circumventing copy protection which is otherwise illegal under Digital Millennium Copyright Act. In other words, companies can not cite the DMCA but they can still stipulate in the terms of use that jailbreaking voids your warranty, etc, etc. So nothing will change!

Apple certainly will not put out a tool to allow us all to jailbreak. Apple will still void your warranty when you jailbreak.
 
BklynKid said:
So much misinformation in this thread... where do I start?


Jailbreaking can still be actively blocked by companies through patches, can still void warranty and will never be officially endorsed by anyone. All this ruling does is not allow Apple to disallow jailbreaking on the sole basis that doing so circumventing copy protection which is otherwise illegal under Digital Millennium Copyright Act. In other words, companies can not cite the DMCA but they can still stipulate in the terms of use that jailbreaking voids your warranty, etc, etc. So nothing will change!

Apple certainly will not put out a tool to allow us all to jailbreak. Apple will still void your warranty when you jailbreak.
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Everyone not understanding the changes, please read this post.
 
XJ13sd said:
Lol. It wasn't a comparison in brainpower although growing weed correctly does require some chemistry knowledge, it in no way is as difficult, never said it was, just said after 14 years of being legal it's no longer a problem finding high grade weed, same COULD happen with jailbreak. That's all the comparison was nothing to do with the difficulty of the two tasks. And I think all the people who say can't and won't should say they don't think cause no one knows where we will be with jailbreaking or growing weed in 5 years. Lol. Started this thread to hear some ideas of what the future of jailbreaking could be, everyone seems to think it will stay the same. Ok.
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The only way I can see what you are saying happening, is that it sounds less dodgy now for companies to get into the jailbreak "business". You might see people get into the fold since they are looking to make money and don't have to worry about getting sued by Apple.

But its debatable as to whether thats a good thing or not.
 
Mosco, that's what I've been saying, it's possible that more people/companies MIGHT get into the business of creating hacks which EVENTUALLY COULD lead to apple changing policies due to lost revenue from pirated apps/ similar apps being downloaded elsewhere. All speculation don't say you know for sure cause you don't...you know who you are....

Also thank you to those who actually answered my speculation question as to what this could mean for the jailbreaking community in the long term. The article this morning just sparked my intreats in what this could do to apple, the jailbreaking dev teams and the phone itself and I was just curious what others thought the ramifications if any would follow from this.
 
Next question: if it's not illegal to jailbreak anymore, what's to stop me ( well, someone with the financial resources) from creating a company specifically designed to jailbreak the iPhone. With revenue coming from paid advertising and or paying a small fee for a jailbreak..and a refined (cydia) type store for third part developers, complete with a technical support team for those who have problems with the break. Also with enough Capitol you could offer hardware fixes or software fixes for those phones that brick bypassing the need for apple to fix the phone. Other companies fix Mac products out of warranty now so could this technically be done.

I think if you could pull this off, especially with a good tech support team, it would make more people willing and wanting to break the iPhone.
 
XJ13sd said:
Next question: if it's not illegal to jailbreak anymore, what's to stop me ( well, someone with the financial resources) from creating a company specifically designed to jailbreak the iPhone. With revenue coming from paid advertising and or paying a small fee for a jailbreak..and a refined (cydia) type store for third part developers, complete with a technical support team for those who have problems with the break. Also with enough Capitol you could offer hardware fixes or software fixes for those phones that brick bypassing the need for apple to fix the phone. Other companies fix Mac products out of warranty now so could this technically be done.

I think if you could pull this off, especially with a good tech support team, it would make more people willing and wanting to break the iPhone.
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This all already exists. Websites charge for jailbreaks. Theres an APT manager called RockYourPhone that's similar to closer to the App store's model. There are companies that you can pay to fix 'bricked' phones. This doesn't change things as much as you think
 
Yes but I believe that with the us government actually writing it down and saying yes, you can legally jailbreak your iPhone, more people will do it. My father is 68 years old loves his iPhone never spoke about jailbreaking until today and now he wants to do it. I'm sure he's not he only us citizen to feel his way. Also he's not that technically inclined and I think a prominent company with a good jailbreak reputation and tech support could do well. Iphone owners who are not tech inclined may not know how or want to fiddle with an illegal jailbreak but a legal one could work if it was very easily set up and publicly advertised. Just saying I think in the long term it will change jailbreaking, maybe not though just speculation cause of the article today.
 
XJ13sd said:
Never said anything about suing apple, I was just curious if a team of non-apple employees was still needed to create the jailbreak, and can apple still release patches on each firmware to break the jailbreak? Just because the dev team says nothing will change doesn't make that so forever we may not need these dev teams anymore to jailbreak the phone which means their cool factor and everyone interviewing them and following them on Twitter may stop. It makes these guys infamous because it's illegal and they are **** in...with apple each time they find the holes in each patch. Well that's not going to be illegal anymore so jail breaking will no longer be the cool/ dangerous thing to do with your iphone anymore.
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Apple can release their software updates and patch jailbreaks however and often as they like. They just have no legal recourse against people who want to jailbreak their phones, and the line in their EULA restricting support for JB devices is no longer legally "okay".
 
XJ13sd said:
Yes but I believe that with the us government actually writing it down and saying yes, you can legally jailbreak your iPhone, more people will do it. My father is 68 years old loves his iPhone never spoke about jailbreaking until today and now he wants to do it. I'm sure he's not he only us citizen to feel his way. Also he's not that technically inclined and I think a prominent company with a good jailbreak reputation and tech support could do well. Iphone owners who are not tech inclined may not know how or want to fiddle with an illegal jailbreak but a legal one could work if it was very easily set up and publicly advertised. Just saying I think in the long term it will change jailbreaking, maybe not though just speculation cause of the article today.
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I see what you're getting at but I think jailbreaking has never been safer or easier as it is right now. What could a company charge for? Its literally one click now to jailbreak a phone and you can ask questions about the process on this forum and many others. You make it sound as if the dev team aren't reputable enough. It's a shame people pay for jailbreaks
 
moussekateer said:
I see what you're getting at but I think jailbreaking has never been safer or easier as it is right now. What could a company charge for? Its literally one click now to jailbreak a phone and you can ask questions about the process on this forum and many others. You make it sound as if the dev team aren't reputable enough. It's a shame people pay for jailbreaks
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+1 what he said

anyone who actually pays for a jailbreak is just sadly misinformed
 
XJ13sd said:
Lol I think the you couldn't be more wrong is funny as ALL this including your ideas about jail breaking not going mainstream is all speculation I'm just thinking about what could happen with the future of jailbreaking like 3-5 years from now. And yes I believe that with it being in writing by the us government will lead to an increase in jail broken phones. Don't state facts, remember the as..holes who swore they were getting a white iPhone no one knows how jailbreaking will be in 5 years, I think it's entirely possible for the phone to come jail broken by then but I'm NOT saying it will.

Also, never allow yet and yes pirating apps as more people jailbreak is part of the matter, again not tomorrow but down the road, could have apple rethinking the AppStore policies, or not. Nothing may ever change and the constant cat and mouse game between apple and jailbreak devs will continue.
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Here since you didn't want to believe me or anyone who posted on this thread, take it from Apple itself - https://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/26/apple-jailbreaking-may-still-void-iphone-warranty/
 
BklynKid said:
This is what I was thinking all along.
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i used to read threads regarding this question but i just wanted to be sure. something about the iphone 4 makes me want to make sure theres no chance that i can void my warranty. okay, heres the stupid question.

if you jailbreak, and then restore cause you need to take it to the genius bar, is there NO trace of jailbreak? my new phone paranoia makes me wonder if apple put something inside the phone that tells the machine when they plug the phone into the computer that you jailbreaked and restored.

stupid i know, thought it wouldnt hurt to ask though lol :p
 
It was never illegal. I don't think this changes much of anything. You void Apple's warranty but a person jailbreaking their phone has never broken any laws, as far as I know.

Cracked apps and things like that are another story. But Cydia and Rock have many legitimate and very useful utilities both for free and paid.
 
ipodlover77 said:
i used to read threads regarding this question but i just wanted to be sure. something about the iphone 4 makes me want to make sure theres no chance that i can void my warranty. okay, heres the stupid question.

if you jailbreak, and then restore cause you need to take it to the genius bar, is there NO trace of jailbreak? my new phone paranoia makes me wonder if apple put something inside the phone that tells the machine when they plug the phone into the computer that you jailbreaked and restored.

stupid i know, thought it wouldnt hurt to ask though lol :p
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No unless you bricked the phone and the hacked firmware or baseband are still there when you take it. They can see when was the last time you "restore" the FW and what FW you restore with.
 
ipodlover77 said:
i used to read threads regarding this question but i just wanted to be sure. something about the iphone 4 makes me want to make sure theres no chance that i can void my warranty. okay, heres the stupid question.

if you jailbreak, and then restore cause you need to take it to the genius bar, is there NO trace of jailbreak? my new phone paranoia makes me wonder if apple put something inside the phone that tells the machine when they plug the phone into the computer that you jailbreaked and restored.

stupid i know, thought it wouldnt hurt to ask though lol :p
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Yes, seems it will restore your warranty status.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/384327/
 
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