Legal or not, makes no difference in the same household

[flanamac]

And how would/could you enforce that?!

Easy to enforce. Just tag the purchase with a driver's license or other personal ID number, then if someone else tries to load SL or other OS on their computer either via theft or purchase from an original purchaser, they have to report it to Apple via web or phone call and if no ID shows up, then they need to provide proof to Apple of purchase from an Apple store, else, they would be denied the ability to load it. This would be restricted via online verification, which apparently many do not like, but has crucial revenue protecting value.

Agree with the OP, I think the EULA is intended by Apple to cover itself. Don't forget that the EULA is an agreement, not a law, so no police on your doorstep. It's probably not even theft if you're sued.

Although your agreement is appreciated, you likely will be asked to provide proof that no one has ever been sued successfully by Apple for violation of the EULA.

But don't come into the forum and get people all shouting about morals. It's tedious.

I am sure it was tedious at times applying electricity (it wasn't discovered really since it was always there, but simply needed to be harnessed) and other fine inventions that we benefit from today.

 

[samcraig]

Easy to enforce. Just tag the purchase with a driver's license or other personal ID number, then if someone else tries to load SL or other OS on their computer either via theft or purchase from an original purchaser, they have to report it to Apple via web or phone call and if no ID shows up, then they need to provide proof to Apple of purchase from an Apple store, else, they would be denied the ability to load it. This would be restricted via online verification, which apparently many do not like, but has crucial revenue protecting value.

And what's stopping you from handing out your pincode for that software to 50 of your friends?

Based on all your responses - I have to ask. What is it exactly you're looking for here? Did you just want to rant? Did you want some cheerleaders?

 

[flanamac]

Amen. we really don't want activation in OSX.

Why not? Would you feel restricted? Would you feel like the company didn't trust you? Would you feel like perhaps the license should not require activation because of some sense that Apple is restricting access?

If so, you have made my point. I simply believe, rationally, that as long as I pay for the license, where I choose to use it is my business, no Apple's. Then if I agree to the license stating to not sell to any third party, then that is the restriction I have to live with and cannot be circumvented, much unlike the current EULA.

 

[r.j.s]

If so, you have made my point. I simply believe, rationally, that as long as I pay for the license, where I choose to use it is my business, no Apple's.

I paid for my driver's license and I own my car. I cannot, however, drive wherever I want, whenever I want and however I want. I am bound by the terms of my driver's license.

I cannot drive my car the wrong way on the freeway while drinking, because the terms of my license say so. I cannot drive my car on water - if if it is modified to be physically capable of it - without a different license.

Also, if my license states I can drive a vehicle that weighs up to 26,000lbs, then I cannot drive a tractor-trailer. Those are the terms.

So, while you own your Mac and you license the software, you are still bound by the terms.

 

[old-wiz]

Somehow I get the feeling that the OP is just trolling to incite flaming. The subject has been done to death numerous times.

 

[gilkisson]

It does not matter, either your opinion, nor those of any on this thread.

Surf to http://www.apple.com/legal/contacts.html and find the best contact. I'd suggest either copyright@apple.com and/or piracy@apple.com. Cut and paste your OP magnum opus into the email, and press Send. Wait for their response. Abide by it. It's their product.

Your willingness to send that email is in direct proportion to the amount in which you believe your own interpretation of Apple's policy, EULA, and/or the law. If you think you are in the right, send the email. If you don't, then don't.

As you have brought this issue up as a thread, I feel it would be courteous of you to post the course of action you decided upon. Will you send the email or not?

 

[flanamac]

Somehow I get the feeling that the OP is just trolling to incite flaming. The subject has been done to death numerous times.

From what I have read, not the way I have explained it.

It does not matter, either your opinion, nor those of any on this thread.

Surf to http://www.apple.com/legal/contacts.html and find the best contact. I'd suggest either copyright@apple.com and/or piracy@apple.com. Cut and paste your OP magnum opus into the email, and press Send. Wait for their response. Abide by it. It's their product.

Your willingness to send that email is in direct proportion to the amount in which you believe your own interpretation of Apple's policy, EULA, and/or the law. If you think you are in the right, send the email. If you don't, then don't.

As you have brought this issue up as a thread, I feel it would be courteous of you to post the course of action you decided upon. Will you send the email or not?

No, I will send no such email. I will abide by the EULA as I understand it. I doubt that many need a lawyer to understand it, else, Apple would either be sue-happy, or charging more.

 

[gilkisson]

No, I will send no such email. I will abide by the EULA as I understand it. I doubt that many need a lawyer to understand it, else, Apple would either be sue-happy, or charging more.

Then what was the point of this thread? "I'm going to install OS X on more than one computer and you can't stop me"?

How pedestrian. I'm sorry, but it is. We're back to just another case of someone abusing their software license. That is neither new nor different. You're just bragging about it, trying to start a fight over it, or both.

Bored now.

 

[kylos]

OP, having dealt with Windows and other software packages, activation is a major pain. Online activation even more so. Maybe you can't see how it is such a big deal, but suppose you lose your original media, or the activation code. Or you're working on a standalone system or don't have ready internet access. I've experienced these situations and others like them many times. With Apple, I can just pop in any OS X disk as long as I know I have a valid license for that disk.

It's an honor system, and I like it because I am an honorable person. I willingly abide by the terms, even though I am not obligated to do so. Sure, Apple could operate under the assumption that people are in general unethical and force activation and other onerous restrictions. But when somebody (or some corporation) treats you as a respectable adult, then why not reciprocate?

 

[belvdr]

No, I will send no such email. I will abide by the EULA as I understand it. I doubt that many need a lawyer to understand it, else, Apple would either be sue-happy, or charging more.

Afraid to put your money where your mouth is? Since you will abide by the EULA, you will only install on one machine, since the EULA specifically states:

Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software,
you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time.

Bolding was my addition. So you can follow the steps you outlined in your first post or you will purchase a license for each computer, not user. You can easily read it here.

EDIT: You can use the multi-quote button to make this easier to read.

 

[instaxgirl]

Everyone knows what's "right" and what's "wrong"

Two comments: 1) this is a gross assumption; 2) interesting you had to put quotes around this and signals the day and age in which we live.

Uhuh, how's it a gross assumption? The majority of people have learnt basic morals eg Stealing is wrong. (I'm using stealing as my example because the things I listed in my post, which were mainly to do with pirating software, can be classed as stealing. And most of the morally debatable posts we get on this forum are, at their root, about stealing)

And I find your second point amusing since you're the guy that started a thread which is attempting to justify something you feel is "right" but others feel is "wrong".

And I put right and wrong in "" because when you get down to the nitty gritty morals are subjective. To quote those crappy DVD Piracy ads, you wouldn't steal someone's purse, but that is sort of what you're doing with your computer.

 

[iBlue]

... To quote those crappy DVD Piracy ads, you wouldn't steal someone's purse, but that is sort of what you're doing with your computer.

NOOOOOOO! You mustn't give those any credibility! Nothing pisses me off more than buying a DVD and being forced (since you can't skip) to view that obnoxious shyte. You wouldn't have BS that on a pirated disk. Talk about not reaching your audience.

</slightly left of topic>

 

[Sdashiki]

Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software,
you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time.

Ok, so basically you are legally allowed to turn off/sleep the laptop and run the desktop legally.

This makes sense...FCS installed (though with SN) on 2 machines on the same LAN, when you open the 2nd copy youll get a warning saying its already running.

Since OSX doesnt have SN, nor anyway to really distinguish one install from the next, this part of the EULA spells it out for you in the way FCS forces you.

 

[uuaschbaer]

NOOOOOOO! You mustn't give those any credibility! Nothing pisses me off more than buying a DVD and being forced (since you can't skip) to view that obnoxious shyte. You wouldn't have BS that on a pirated disk. Talk about not reaching your audience.

</slightly left of topic>

Hear hear!

 

[uuaschbaer]

Although your agreement is appreciated, you likely will be asked to provide proof that no one has ever been sued successfully by Apple for violation of the EULA.

I'm sorry, I should have separated the agreement part and the I-think part which has nothing to do with the your stance. However:

• You are not sold the OS, but licensed it, therefore you cannot steal it or commit theft by using it on two different machines at the same time.
• As Apple licenses you the software it will decide the extent to which it allows you to use the software, therefore using it on two different machines at the same time is breach of license agreement.

Now the only questions that remain are:

• Is breach of license agreement illegal?
• Will Apple sue you for breaking the license agreement?

 

[darkpaw]

It's $29. If you can afford a desktop AND a laptop, you can spare $29 for another licence.

You're breaking the terms of the agreement that you agreed to if you only have one licence and install the software on more than one machine.

Despite your protestations about the legality and the fidgy-widgyness you'd have to do with Time Machine backups, you agreed to install the software on one machine.

I tell you what, my company will buy one copy of Snow Leopard and install it on all our 800+ Macs. Hey, that's okay, right? One company, one licence?

 

[eawmp1]

Ok, so basically you are legally allowed to turn off/sleep the laptop and run the desktop legally.

This makes sense...FCS installed (though with SN) on 2 machines on the same LAN, when you open the 2nd copy youll get a warning saying its already running.

Since OSX doesnt have SN, nor anyway to really distinguish one install from the next, this part of the EULA spells it out for you in the way FCS forces you.

Technically you should uninstall each time you shut down one machine and install each time you boot up a different computer.

 

[dejo]

It's $29. If you can afford a desktop AND a laptop, you can spare $29 for another licence.

Actually, you might as well purchase the Family Pack (and then you can install on up to 5 computers) which is only another $20.

 

[sidewinder]

Ok, so basically you are legally allowed to turn off/sleep the laptop and run the desktop legally.

No, that is not accurate. The OS can be installed on one system at a time. That means you can't just turn off the laptop and run the OS on another system legally.

S-

 

[TheAnswer]

Ok, so basically you are legally allowed to turn off/sleep the laptop and run the desktop legally.

This makes sense...FCS installed (though with SN) on 2 machines on the same LAN, when you open the 2nd copy youll get a warning saying its already running.

Since OSX doesnt have SN, nor anyway to really distinguish one install from the next, this part of the EULA spells it out for you in the way FCS forces you.

Except the Snow Leopard Single User EULA specifically states:

"This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time.".

Whereas the FCS EULA says:

"you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on one Apple-branded desktop computer and one Apple-branded laptop computer so long as both computers are owned and used by you."

 

[otis123]

Duff-Man says....this subject has been beaten to death countless times over. You are violating the license agreement, and that is why Apple sells the Family Pack license for a *very* good decent affordable price....oh yeah!

I agree with duff-man oh yeah!